Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[Sreister]

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/5/17/18629456/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-devin-booker-mind-blown

Man I don't know. We get so thin after a trade of Ayton, Warren, JJ, and #6.

TJ/Okobo, Melton
Book/
Bridges/
Oubre/Bender?
Davis/Holmes

That's a very thin roster, and Ayton can end up being maybe what, 85% of what AD can be, plus obviously whatever else we give up. PLUS, unless we get a promise from AD that he'll stay. It's such a huge risk, and I don't think it works in our favor. More of a spinning the wheels team unless we can swing a starting Caliber PG from somewhere.

Whoever trades for Davis is trading for one year of him. You are not trading for a player, you are trading for a contract. Its just not worth the risk. Davis is going to get moved for much less than we think unless it is to the Knicks or Lakers. Those are the only two teams with good assurances of resigning him.

Bolded my response to you, in my original post. I'm on the same page as you, I only do it with a promise, plus not even sure I do it then.

[Waylay13]

Spoiler:

Honestly changing the protections to Top 8 isn't a big deal since I think you guys will be outside the bottom 10. As far as Anderson goes, Memphis would prefer to keep him but I was just trying to add value. I saw him as a young vet who could give you guys a defensive boost. He was one of Memphis's best defenders last year almost always guarding the opposing team's best player and actually was a decent secondary playmaker when given a chance though that isn't as important for you guys.

I'd be cool with Warren/Johnson/MIL 1st/2020 Top8-10 protected 1st for Conley.

I'd be down with that too man! Honestly.....

Just to keep things easier to compare, let's say Warren is moved to Portland like in my original deal. The difference between the two deals is 2019 #25, 2020 MIL 1st, Anderson vs 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected then two 2nds). I feel like that is likely an okay tradeoff for Memphis and PHX gets to make sure they keep their 2022 pick.

I feel like PHX will make an offer even though some of you guys don't want Conley but it will be Johnson+MIL 1st(+maybe Warren and/or Jackson). How much further they would be willing to go is a toss up.

EDIT: Also I had originally said Top 4 since that covers the possibility of you guys barely missing the playoffs and moving up in the lottery. If you don't move up in the lottery, you guys *should* be good enough to convey a late lottery or non-lottery pick. Though Memphis of course would argue to have the smallest protection possible, Top 8 protection is extremely reasonable and easy to sell to the fan base.

Yes sure that you would be ok with that deal. Anything to get almost 70 million of the books for a 31 year old player with a injury prone history. Heck the Suns had the cap space to take the extra salary I am sure that Memphis would do Conley straight across for Tyler Johnson just to clear a year off that salary.

[Kerrsed]

The ONLY way i would even entertain the idea of trading a package to the Pelicans that included Ayton and Bridges would be if we already spoke to Irving (With him saying he will sign with us if we have Davis) and cleared it with the Celtics to make it a S&T (Allowing Boston to get some solid usable players in return while also allowing us to get the capspace needed for Irving).

Irving/Booker/Oubre/Davis/????

We would still need to find a decent PF/C on the cheap (MLE?) and also find some kind of bench players (And retain Bender as well).

I dont think there is anyway in hell something like this can be done, but as i said, its the only way i even waste time thinking about sending Ayton to New Orleans.

[DirtyDez]

Ayton is enough for AD. No chance you include Bridges or 6. For Davis to stay Bridges would need to take a significant year-2 leap and #6 would need to be traded for a PG. Also it might’ve been local radio fluff but Griffin was drooling over Ayton whenever they had him on.

Holiday, Ayton and Zion is a very nice core for them...

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/5/17/18629456/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-devin-booker-mind-blown

Man I don't know. We get so thin after a trade of Ayton, Warren, JJ, and #6.

TJ/Okobo, Melton
Book/
Bridges/
Oubre/Bender?
Davis/Holmes

That's a very thin roster, and Ayton can end up being maybe what, 85% of what AD can be, plus obviously whatever else we give up. PLUS, unless we get a promise from AD that he'll stay. It's such a huge risk, and I don't think it works in our favor. More of a spinning the wheels team unless we can swing a starting Caliber PG from somewhere.

Whoever trades for Davis is trading for one year of him. You are not trading for a player, you are trading for a contract. Its just not worth the risk. Davis is going to get moved for much less than we think unless it is to the Knicks or Lakers. Those are the only two teams with good assurances of resigning him.

2 trades that I'd like to get in on with these teams, IF Davis is in fact traded to one of these teams on draft night is:

With New York:

Phoenix would add value as a 3rd team facilitator by sending New Orleans Warren/ the Milwaukee pick/ and a 2021 top 5 protected first.

Phoenix would also send New York- Josh Jackson and 2 future 2nds.

New York gets Davis.( And by adding Davis) They also get both Durant and Irving ( very likely).

Phoenix gets- Kevin Knox and Cap space from moving both Jackson and Warren. Whilst still keeping their pick this year to grab Garland or White???

New York does this in order to make their new package a bit richer and more competitive with now being able to offer:

RJ Barrett/ Dennis Smith Jr/ TJ Warren/ and 4 total first round picks( 2 from Dallas) and two from Phoenix. ( New York basically exchanges Knox for Warren and two additional firsts). One being being a lottery pick in a much deeper 2020 draft.

As opposed to just - Barrett/ DSJ/ Knox and two late firsts from Dallas.


If New York doesn't accept, They will of course risk out on losing Davis to the Lakers. ( Who we can also deal with).

Phoenix does this to get Kevin Knox ( Can play spot minutes at the 4, and who has Arizona ties too!!!) And to clear more cap space for free agency.

They can then renegotiate Johnson's contract to something along the lines of 40 /4. This gives them an extra 10 million in cap space, and Johnson gets more security in making an extra 20 million over the next two years.

And will now head into free agency with upwards of 30-33 million in cap space???

If it's the Lakers:

Phoenix adds-

TJ Warren/ Josh Jackson/Milwaukee pick/ and a 2021 Top 5 protected first.

Lakers get- Davis/ Jackson.

New Orleans gets-

Ball/ Warren ( suns) / Kuzma/ Hart/ 4 first round picks. ( 2 from Phoenix and 2 from the Lakers).

Phoenix gets-

The 4th pick in this draft, And cap space from moving both Jackson and Warren.

We can then use the 4th pick in the draft on Garland or White, And the 6th pick in the draft for Clarke, Reddish, Hachimura, etc.

And most importantly would head into free agency with around 20 million in cap space for free agency ( close to 30 million IF Jones can also renegotiate Johnson's contract to around 10 million per year for more years (offering more security).

[Kerrsed]

Ayton is enough for AD. No chance you include Bridges or 6. For Davis to stay Bridges would need to take a significant year-2 leap and #6 would need to be traded for a PG. Also it might’ve been local radio fluff but Griffin was drooling over Ayton whenever they had him on.

Holiday, Ayton and Zion is a very nice core for them...

I dont think Ayton is enough, as i think the Knicks offer can beat Ayton (And Johnson to match salary).

Knicks offer would be Zion's former teammate Barrett, Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr., Trier. Thats quite a haul...AND they get to send him to the East.

DSJ/Holiday/Knox/Zion/Robinson ----- Jackson/Trier/Barrett/Wood/Okafor.

They also would still have around $12M in capspace.

[TeamTragic]

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/5/17/18629456/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-devin-booker-mind-blown

I am always amazed at how dumb the media believe that the Suns must be. There is no way you would give up that type of talent without already having his name on the extension knowing the feeling this team has for Rich Paul.

AD would make this team better. However we are not trading Ayton. Good luck Pelicans.

[Kerrsed]

......and right after i post that i read the Pelicans dont want Knox.

Interesting. I thought he had a great rookie season.

[BobbieL]

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[proedros1908]

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[bigfoot]

Ayton is enough for AD. No chance you include Bridges or 6. For Davis to stay Bridges would need to take a significant year-2 leap and #6 would need to be traded for a PG. Also it might’ve been local radio fluff but Griffin was drooling over Ayton whenever they had him on.

Holiday, Ayton and Zion is a very nice core for them...

Ayton seems like a lot to give up for AD. Remember the Pels got Cousins and Casspi for Hield (rookie), Tyreke Evans (14 game rental), Langston Galloway (19 game rental), 2017 1st round pick (#10 overall) and 2017 2nd round pick (#34 overall).

In reality, the Pels got Cousins for a rookie (Hield), a lottery first round pick (#10), and an early second round pick (#34). Doesn't seem like much return.

To make the dollars work something like Johnson, Bridges, #6, and 2019 second rounder would seem more balanced.

[WeekapaugGroove]

One thing that should be noted with Davis is per the CBA he's not allowed to sign an extension for 6 months after a trade with any team. Then he's also not allowed to sign a full 5 year extension in season with the acquiring team, to get that he needs to opt out next summer then sign that 5 year extension (4 years if he leaves). So no matter where he goes and even if he says he's going to stay there's always a chance he can change his mind and walk next summer. We just saw a similar situation with Kyrie in Boston.

[DirtyDez]

Ayton is enough for AD. No chance you include Bridges or 6. For Davis to stay Bridges would need to take a significant year-2 leap and #6 would need to be traded for a PG. Also it might’ve been local radio fluff but Griffin was drooling over Ayton whenever they had him on.

Holiday, Ayton and Zion is a very nice core for them...

I dont think Ayton is enough, as i think the Knicks offer can beat Ayton (And Johnson to match salary).

Knicks offer would be Zion's former teammate Barrett, Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr., Trier. Thats quite a haul...AND they get to send him to the East.

DSJ/Holiday/Knox/Zion/Robinson ----- Jackson/Trier/Barrett/Wood/Okafor.

They also would still have around $12M in capspace.

I meant enough for me. We would probably get outbid but Bridges and #6 are two of our four best assets. I’d never consider sending Ayton PLUS a top-4 asset.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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[DirtyDez]

Ayton is enough for AD. No chance you include Bridges or 6. For Davis to stay Bridges would need to take a significant year-2 leap and #6 would need to be traded for a PG. Also it might’ve been local radio fluff but Griffin was drooling over Ayton whenever they had him on.

Holiday, Ayton and Zion is a very nice core for them...

Ayton seems like a lot to give up for AD. Remember the Pels got Cousins and Casspi for Hield (rookie), Tyreke Evans (14 game rental), Langston Galloway (19 game rental), 2017 1st round pick (#10 overall) and 2017 2nd round pick (#34 overall).

In reality, the Pels got Cousins for a rookie (Hield), a lottery first round pick (#10), and an early second round pick (#34). Doesn't seem like much return.

To make the dollars work something like Johnson, Bridges, #6, and 2019 second rounder would seem more balanced.

Yeah, to send out Ayton we’d need to know something about other FA’s thru Jones’ back channeling. Even then the Pels would need to take back Tyler to open enough room for another signing.

[Qwigglez]

I'd trade the 6th pick, Ayton, TJ Warren, Tyler Johnson, Josh Jackson, Bucks pick for Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday. I'd risk that. Maybe go after Seth Curry in free agency to add some depth to the guard position and some scoring off the bench. Keep Oubre, Bender, and Holmes. Have Booker and Holiday switch running the PG position.

Jrue / Booker / Bridges / Oubre / Davis
Melton / Curry / ??? / Bender / Holmes

Maybe go after Dudley again , or Jamychal Green, Garret Temple. Maybe James Jones can get a solid veteran like Taj Gibson to come join us for a season too.

[bwgood77]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

I've tried selling the board on a deal surrounding Johnson, Jackson, and the 6th for Conley and nobody liked it. So I can't see this deal being favored.

Conley is definitely underrated by some here, but the deal he proposed was WAY too much....and even though I like Anderson ok, he's not a good fit.

But Conley was 6th in ORPM among PGs on a bad team this year..only behind Harden, Curry, Lillard, Walker and Irving. Better defensively than Lillard, Walker and Irving.

He's a good vet.

If he was up for playing for Phx and motivated to do so I wouldn't mind a trade of like Johnson, Jackson and the Bucks pick for him. He could help our team progress and grow up. His contract sucks but it's not like it hurts us...next year's FA crop sucks and he'd expire after that. We could also probably find a good PG in the draft next year to have a year behind him...that is a great PG class.

But I am not sure he'd really be interested in playing here and if that was the case, I wouldn't want him...we'd have enough of them. Seems like a pro who wouldn't complain and would try but I'd rather avoid it unless he was really up for it. He's always been underrated.

And it's obviously been noted that Jones is looking for people more in their primes..like younger than 30 at least. Of course most of those guys, if good, are still locked into second deals so that makes it tough to find them.

[bwgood77]

......and right after i post that i read the Pelicans dont want Knox.

Interesting. I thought he had a great rookie season.

#514 http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/13

[WeekapaugGroove]

......and right after i post that i read the Pelicans dont want Knox.

Interesting. I thought he had a great rookie season.

#514 http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/13

Knox is perplexing to me. I didn't get why people liked him in the draft or why people thought he was good this season. Dude had like 2 good summer league games and all the sudden he's the next big thing. He's just not good.

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[KLEON]

Anyone think Orlando goes for:
6th Pick
Bucks Pick
JJ
Tyler Johnson (Expiring)

for Aaron Gordon?

if this trade happened, and we then renounced Daniels and Holmes, we could get $18m in cap space, which we could use to sign DLo to an offer sheet? Would be very hard for the Nets to match that with their FA plans. Then you could re-sign Oubre, and have this be your roster:

DLo/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/TJ
Gordon/Spalding
Ayton/Bender

Would definitely need to use the MLE to add some shooting, maybe a Rodney Hood type? or even bring back Daniels.

hmm