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Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

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RJ
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Cam
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Garland
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Culver
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Other
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Trade Down
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Trade Out Of The Draft
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Give Up and Follow The Warriors
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1641 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue May 21, 2019 1:42 am

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Makes you think what? That’s regular in Canada.


That’s not why he speaks French.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1642 » by HEZI » Tue May 21, 2019 1:43 am

GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:What if KD is coming but not Kyrie and we end up trading for AD to pair with KD

How much do we still have to give up then and also what money would\could we have left over for veteran help?


In theory, we would have a MAX slot left to build the team


Lets say Pelicans have no interest in DSJ or Knox or Frank

If we traded Barrett, Robinson and the Mavs picks, that would clear a lot of cap space for them instantly and they don't have to be locked into players they might not even want but would that be legal though?
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1643 » by GONYK » Tue May 21, 2019 1:48 am

HEZI wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:What if KD is coming but not Kyrie and we end up trading for AD to pair with KD

How much do we still have to give up then and also what money would\could we have left over for veteran help?


In theory, we would have a MAX slot left to build the team


Lets say Pelicans have no interest in DSJ or Knox or Frank

If we traded Barrett, Robinson and the Mavs picks, that would clear a lot of cap space for them instantly and they don't have to be locked into players they might not even want but would that be legal though?

We could absorb AD in the scenario, I believe.

We're under the cap, so the 125% restriction doesn't apply.

I think we would have ~$10M left, but that's quick napkin math.
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Post#1644 » by HEZI » Tue May 21, 2019 2:06 am

GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:
GONYK wrote:
In theory, we would have a MAX slot left to build the team


Lets say Pelicans have no interest in DSJ or Knox or Frank

If we traded Barrett, Robinson and the Mavs picks, that would clear a lot of cap space for them instantly and they don't have to be locked into players they might not even want but would that be legal though?

We could absorb AD in the scenario, I believe.

We're under the cap, so the 125% restriction doesn't apply.

I think we would have ~$10M left, but that's quick napkin math.


Interesting

If they are also able to unload Frank in a separate deal that would create another 5 mil which would give us roughly about 15 mil in cap space plus the 4.5 room exception . The 15 mil could go to a vet PG and the room might be going to Deandre Jordan. Lets say the rumor of us being interested in Scary Terry are true, just to give me a name to use to fill that starting PG slot

Rozier / DSJ
Dotson / Trier
KD / Knox
AD
Jordan

We know AD can slide to the 5 and Knox can be shifted from 3 to 4 so that would essentially be the main rotation I guess. A couple vet min signings to fill out the rest of the roster

Can that compete?
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1645 » by GONYK » Tue May 21, 2019 2:12 am

HEZI wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Lets say Pelicans have no interest in DSJ or Knox or Frank

If we traded Barrett, Robinson and the Mavs picks, that would clear a lot of cap space for them instantly and they don't have to be locked into players they might not even want but would that be legal though?

We could absorb AD in the scenario, I believe.

We're under the cap, so the 125% restriction doesn't apply.

I think we would have ~$10M left, but that's quick napkin math.


Interesting

If they are also able to unload Frank in a separate deal that would create another 5 mil which would give us roughly about 15 mil in cap space plus the 4.5 room exception . The 15 mil could go to a vet PG and the room might be going to Deandre Jordan. Lets say the rumor of us being interested in Scary Terry are true, just to give me a name to use to fill that starting PG slot

Rozier / DSJ
Dotson / Trier
KD / Knox
AD
Jordan

We know AD can slide to the 5 and Knox can be shifted from 3 to 4 so that would essentially be the main rotation I guess. A couple vet min signings to fill out the rest of the roster

Can that compete?

I think that puts us on Philly's level.

I'm not sure if I would go beyond that.

Pills would need to get creative.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1646 » by HEZI » Tue May 21, 2019 2:17 am

GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:
GONYK wrote:We could absorb AD in the scenario, I believe.

We're under the cap, so the 125% restriction doesn't apply.

I think we would have ~$10M left, but that's quick napkin math.


Interesting

If they are also able to unload Frank in a separate deal that would create another 5 mil which would give us roughly about 15 mil in cap space plus the 4.5 room exception . The 15 mil could go to a vet PG and the room might be going to Deandre Jordan. Lets say the rumor of us being interested in Scary Terry are true, just to give me a name to use to fill that starting PG slot

Rozier / DSJ
Dotson / Trier
KD / Knox
AD
Jordan

We know AD can slide to the 5 and Knox can be shifted from 3 to 4 so that would essentially be the main rotation I guess. A couple vet min signings to fill out the rest of the roster

Can that compete?

I think that puts us on Philly's level.

I'm not sure if I would go beyond that.


Yeah I kinda feel the same, it's a good team but not very confident in it winning it all. I mean of course if everything clicks we can do better than expected, like if the chemistry is super high but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Post#1647 » by Clyde_Style » Tue May 21, 2019 2:49 am

thebuzzardman wrote:I think the most entertaining thing would be if the whole FA thing AND the rebuild with youth went horribly wrong.


You promised to be good for a month. Experiment aborted?
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Post#1648 » by Fat » Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 am

Durant/IRving/Barret/Mitchell

the big 4, who needs AD

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Post#1650 » by Worst_to_First » Tue May 21, 2019 4:47 am

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Looks like a rising all star...


With each passing day im falling more in love with this kid.

I'm starting to think he's the real prize this year NOT Zion...And thats not to say
Zion wont be good at what he does...


Yeah I can see the Grizzlies swooping down on him now. :lol:
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Post#1651 » by Worst_to_First » Tue May 21, 2019 5:02 am

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Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote: Full delusion mode :lol: Yeah it is much easier to talk yourself into RJ for sure. At least with RJ he is a top prospect unlike Frank who was never on that level.

I think I would still stick with DSJ if we get RJ and see how it goes for a year or two but I do see why you are not optimistic about the fit.

But if there’s a possible way to trade our pick and get Wiseman or Edwards next year... see ya RJ :lol:


James Wiseman is a stud. The team that lands him next year is so fortunate.




Where's he projected to go in mocks?


Number 1 in most mocks I’ve seen.
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Post#1652 » by Juco24 » Tue May 21, 2019 9:30 am

Barrett reminds me of Marquette Wade with his ability to get to the rim and also his mid-range game along with his unselfishness
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Post#1653 » by Juco24 » Tue May 21, 2019 9:34 am

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Durant/IRving/Barret/Mitchell

the big 4, who needs AD

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If only we had a talented combo forward to go along with those four.. someone with a strong work ethic and desire to get better someone with good size and decent handles
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Post#1654 » by thebuzzardman » Tue May 21, 2019 10:11 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I think the most entertaining thing would be if the whole FA thing AND the rebuild with youth went horribly wrong.


You promised to be good for a month. Experiment aborted?


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Post#1655 » by awy » Tue May 21, 2019 11:14 am

getting whiplash from these rj’s unselfishness takes lmao. people just dont care about reality.
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Post#1656 » by knickstape21 » Tue May 21, 2019 11:44 am

awy wrote:getting whiplash from these rj’s unselfishness takes lmao. people just dont care about reality.


RJ takes some bad shots, but so does every single aggressive player in the history of basketball.

There were so many times in Duke games where the shot clock was running down and either Cam Reddish or Tre Jones couldn’t make a play so they dump it to RJ with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and he’d work to get a shot. Go watch the games, dude. It explains PART of his average shooting percentages.

The Knicks need a dog like RJ. People throwing out the Wiggins comparison is way off. He plays with a much more competitive edge and focus.

Calling him selfish is a cop out answer for someone looking to just stick to an agenda.
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Post#1657 » by Tron Carter » Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

knickstape21 wrote:
awy wrote:getting whiplash from these rj’s unselfishness takes lmao. people just dont care about reality.


RJ takes some bad shots, but so does every single aggressive player in the history of basketball.

There were so many times in Duke games where the shot clock was running down and either Cam Reddish or Tre Jones couldn’t make a play so they dump it to RJ with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and he’d work to get a shot. Go watch the games, dude. It explains PART of his average shooting percentages.

The Knicks need a dog like RJ. People throwing out the Wiggins comparison is way off. He plays with a much more competitive edge and focus.

Calling him selfish is a cop out answer for someone looking to just stick to an agenda.



no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.
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Post#1658 » by knickstape21 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:11 pm

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knickstape21 wrote:
awy wrote:getting whiplash from these rj’s unselfishness takes lmao. people just dont care about reality.


RJ takes some bad shots, but so does every single aggressive player in the history of basketball.

There were so many times in Duke games where the shot clock was running down and either Cam Reddish or Tre Jones couldn’t make a play so they dump it to RJ with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and he’d work to get a shot. Go watch the games, dude. It explains PART of his average shooting percentages.

The Knicks need a dog like RJ. People throwing out the Wiggins comparison is way off. He plays with a much more competitive edge and focus.

Calling him selfish is a cop out answer for someone looking to just stick to an agenda.



no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.
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Post#1659 » by Tron Carter » Tue May 21, 2019 12:18 pm

knickstape21 wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:
RJ takes some bad shots, but so does every single aggressive player in the history of basketball.

There were so many times in Duke games where the shot clock was running down and either Cam Reddish or Tre Jones couldn’t make a play so they dump it to RJ with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and he’d work to get a shot. Go watch the games, dude. It explains PART of his average shooting percentages.

The Knicks need a dog like RJ. People throwing out the Wiggins comparison is way off. He plays with a much more competitive edge and focus.

Calling him selfish is a cop out answer for someone looking to just stick to an agenda.



no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.


go ahead and play revisionist history it doesn’t make your analysis any less wrong. RJ did play selfishly at duke, especially in the tournament and it’s an issue he needs to work on. just because you can’t admit that and rebuttal with a worthless blanket statement like “every single star throws bad passes, takes bad shot” just highlights a lack of objectivity for a player you’re convinced the knicks will draft.

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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1660 » by Riot Randolph » Tue May 21, 2019 12:19 pm

knickstape21 wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:
RJ takes some bad shots, but so does every single aggressive player in the history of basketball.

There were so many times in Duke games where the shot clock was running down and either Cam Reddish or Tre Jones couldn’t make a play so they dump it to RJ with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock and he’d work to get a shot. Go watch the games, dude. It explains PART of his average shooting percentages.

The Knicks need a dog like RJ. People throwing out the Wiggins comparison is way off. He plays with a much more competitive edge and focus.

Calling him selfish is a cop out answer for someone looking to just stick to an agenda.



no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.

Wiggins is a horrendous defender , rj is a pretty good defender
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