2019 Offseason Speculation Thread - Free Agency, Well Wishing, Trade Spec, Oh My

[NYKHardKnock]

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Imo this would be a win win. Frank and Sexton could be good and NY gets another 1st... this was Phil's pick that never quite blossomed. Honestly I hope it happens and wish Frank the best

Well hey. We did end up with Dennis Smith Jr. after all

[VCBC]

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Frank can get a low FRP? Wow, Perry take that and run

[dakomish23]

Not unless the Knicks win, and god forbid if he gets injured and miss any amount of games in the season.

Davis is a top player in this league, but the cost of acquisition, you'd have to set the bar at championship or the trade is a failure.

Btw, the end results is really all that matters especially in a sitution like this definitely not "ooooh, i cant believe we got him".

Hell, if we offer Mitch, the youngsters and 3-4 picks, we didnt win a bidding war. We overpaid despite how much of a talent he is.

Set that bar for a championship.

Focus on the end results.

Do all of that when he has a good roster.

You’re doing it when his team is relying on Elfrid Payton and Wesley Johnson. That’s the difference.

You think it’s an overpay. Agree to disagree b/c there are def teams that can blow that meh offer out the water. But even if we followed your idea that it’s an overpay, you’re overpaying for a top 5 talent, a two way monster, entering his prime, while pairing him with hopefully two top tier guys to maximize their championship window while they’re in their back end of their primes.

You’re going to love him.

Just supposed to be overjoyed just for the acquisition? Nope.

I've seen players with mediocre rosters get to playoffs multiple times.

Garnett yearly did it, the west was tough then too. Probably tougher.

Melo did it as well, he, for the most part lost to the eventually champs. Even Pau was making regular playoff appearances as the lone fella.

Look, Davis is a top talent, haven't said otherwise. ironically some would disagree. The posts are there. We have several whole threads where offering up Mitch is too much. So yes, many do think there is an overpay amount.

Ironically, had the Knicks landed the 1st, you even admitted yourself you wouldn't want to make the deal. That's quite odd because as good I do think Zion would be, shouldn't a team with davis, KD and Kyrie win a title before that happens? At least one.

Hopefully Perry doesnt share your thoughts and knows too much is too much at some point.

Garnett missed the playoffs 3 straight years before he went to BOS.

Pau missed the playoffs the year before he was traded to Lal and was on his way to missing it again till he was traded mid season.

Melo’s rosters were way better than the NOP roster.

Set that bar for a championship.

Focus on the end results.

Do all of that when he has a good roster.

But even if we followed your idea that it’s an overpay, you’re overpaying for a top 5 talent, a two way monster, entering his prime, while pairing him with hopefully two top tier guys to maximize their championship window while they’re in their back end of their primes.

No one said be overjoyed just b/c we trade for him. This is about championships in the scenario of us picking 3rd and signing two top tier FAs who have smaller championship window.

It’s not irony when you would have a different strategy for a different situation. It’s logical. Hopefully Perry thinks this way instead of a one track mind. If we got Zion, I’d take a different approach. I think Zion plus the kids plus the assets plus KD & Kyrie put us in just a good a situation as having AD. As someone posted regarding KD and one of those 3 scenarios, I’d have a different approach.

That’s just smart roster construction. You make decisions based on what happens.

[dakomish23]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

[DaGawd]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

Dotson still here... For now

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Based on the recent track record of our FO we are probably better drafting in that range rather than the mid-lottery.

Agreed. I'd rather they not trade Frank - I'm a fan of good defenders and feel maybe he can still come around, but I've read enough on here from capologists that basically one of Frank or DSJr or Knox - these salary ranges - have to go to get to the 2 max cats number and also retain some financial flexibility.

Also, IF in fact Kyrie is coming, it's a log jam at PG. Then the Knicks are probably drafting a SG/wing type, with Durant being someone who will see time at 3 along with 4, so that's getting crowded with SG already having Trier and Dotson as having more, or least as much, talent as Frank. Not getting into the debate of who's better or will be - it's enough to say they are all close and somethings got to give among Frank/DSJr IF another PG is coming in and I accept either one is one the move.

And probably Frank since this version of the FO has never seemed that fond of him, and minus the defense or even with it, right now DSJr still has at least an edge in talent, clear enough. Depending on your views or preferences, it's more than an edge.

Obviously these are just rumors, same as the AD trade. Maybe the Knicks have couple of late first round targets and are interested in the price difference between a player drafted #7 and #26. Could be a situation where the Knicks draft a player and include him in the deal, where for some reason the Pels would rather have the cheaper player drafted at 26 that having Frank included in the deal.

Most interesting off season in a long time. More interesting than 2010. Might be the most interesting one ever.

what is this janky ass source?

[DOT]

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Based on the recent track record of our FO we are probably better drafting in that range rather than the mid-lottery.

Agreed. I'd rather they not trade Frank - I'm a fan of good defenders and feel maybe he can still come around, but I've read enough on here from capologists that basically one of Frank or DSJr or Knox - these salary ranges - have to go to get to the 2 max cats number and also retain some financial flexibility.

Also, IF in fact Kyrie is coming, it's a log jam at PG. Then the Knicks are probably drafting a SG/wing type, with Durant being someone who will see time at 3 along with 4, so that's getting crowded with SG already having Trier and Dotson as having more, or least as much, talent as Frank. Not getting into the debate of who's better or will be - it's enough to say they are all close and somethings got to give among Frank/DSJr IF another PG is coming in and I accept either one is one the move.

And probably Frank since this version of the FO has never seemed that fond of him, and minus the defense or even with it, right now DSJr still has at least an edge in talent, clear enough. Depending on your views or preferences, it's more than an edge.

Obviously these are just rumors, same as the AD trade. Maybe the Knicks have couple of late first round targets and are interested in the price difference between a player drafted #7 and #26. Could be a situation where the Knicks draft a player and include him in the deal, where for some reason the Pels would rather have the cheaper player drafted at 26 that having Frank included in the deal.

Most interesting off season in a long time. More interesting than 2010. Might be the most interesting one ever.

Yeah I mean, it is what it is at this point

If we weren't going after two maxes and trying to win next year, I wouldn't like this cause Frank's just a 3 pointer away from being a good role player, whereas you're really unlikely to find anything at 26

But I get it, we need a little more cap and Frank makes the most sense as a person we trade away. I just don't like it cause how often you gonna get a dude who is statistically elite at defending PnRs and Isos (fun fact, last year even with his "regression" on defense, opposing ball handlers turned the ball over a quarter of the time when he was guarding them in the PnR) at 20 years old

I just hope if we do trade him that whoever we get back ends up better than him

[KnickswayGene]

Need more info on Dave from westchester lol he sounded very convincing not like a toll

[robillionaire]

If we weren't going after two maxes and trying to win next year, I wouldn't like this cause Frank's just a 3 pointer away from being a good role player, whereas you're really unlikely to find anything at 26

Well, we found Mitch at 36

I trust they'll find someone

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

i'd love to see my dear sweet frank play somewhere he's appreciated.

[King of Canada]

Yes but did he ship any cars or hire dog walkers?

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[thebuzzardman]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

i'd love to see my dear sweet frank play somewhere he's appreciated.

Hopefully the Cavs move him to the Mavs, so the 2nd half of my Buzztrodamus prediction can come true.

However, I will settle for the Cavs, and claim that while my powers of prediction are strong, the foresight can be murky and mysterious and clearly I confused Cavs for Mavs, but I was so very close.

[DOT]

Well, we found Mitch at 36

I trust they'll find someone

And we got Trier undrafted

Obviously one draft isn't indicative of a trend, but I do trust his judgement on later picks. Higher picks is still tbd

[thebuzzardman]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

Dotson still here... For now

Dotson would be feeling like a GOT character after Frank was moved.

[Juco24]

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer but isn't it old news that KD put his house up for sale? Back in April... Maybe the new news is that he's looking to buy or has bought in NY?

https://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-kevin-durant-malibu-home-20190423-story.html

[3toheadmelo]

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bout time the globetrotters got a big time free agent.

The article says Kyrie is going to Brooklyn

I’ll allow it

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[robillionaire]

if KD bought a place in nyc the information should be easily accessible, detectives need to get on this

[thebuzzardman]

Spoiler:

bout time the globetrotters got a big time free agent.

The article says Kyrie is going to Brooklyn

I’ll allow it

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Here's a thought:

KD still plans to have a Robin.
KD & Kyrie are friends.

KD and Kyrie at some point decided they'd rather be Batmans on separate teams, both elevating NYC basketball and both teams and both individuals getting maximum benefit from the teams elevation and rivalries.

[NYKHardKnock]

Dennis Smith Jr.
R.J. Barrett
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Durant
Mitchell Robinson

[dakomish23]

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Ecstatic for Frank if this happens.

Assuming this pick would be a part of the package we offer for AD.

Does this officially end the PJax era (assuming LFT won’t be back).

Dotson still here... For now

Damn. Who saw this coming