Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[Crives]

Something that Gambo said yesterday is that he does not expect Richaun Holmes back.

The Suns probably want a backup C who can spread the floor and shoot the three, he talked about Dedmon like someone that would fit in that role.

I am OK with the idea of having another backup C.

I want someone bigger than Holmes, someone who can eat some space around the rim and has a higher basketball IQ.

Muscala can fit that role too.

Holmes would be a great deal compared to his cap hold. Unless we are able to address pf/pg without using the MLE (use MLE for someone like Dedmon)

[SunsLyf3]

If the Nets aren't going to bring back D'Lo and he goes to some team other than the Suns, I will consider that a huge failure...

...unless he is acquired in a sign and trade with win now pieces going back to Brooklyn, which we won't be able to compete with. Such as Indiana sending Sabonis + trade exception to Brooklyn and taking D'Lo into their cap room.

TJ Warren, Bucks 1st is pretty nice package. Russell would need to want to go there and I think we are more attractive destination.

If they are not bringing back DLo, they will renounce and it will be a cap clearing move to clear space for two max guys like Kyrie, Durant...

So probably the easiest thing to do would be to waive and stretch Tyler Johnson. That should get close to max space. Then you might need to do one more by renouncing one of our free agents and/or trading JJ/TJ. If you wanted to keep Tyler, we'd have to trade both TJ and JJ into space or one of them and renounce Oubre.

They are expected to try to trade away crabbe which could end up opening up 18 mill in cap space. It is possible for them to have around 50 million in cap space while still having Russells 21 million cap hold. They S&T trade for TJ and a future 1st and gain an additional 10 million in cap space. So roughly 60 million in cap space while keeping a core of Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Levert, TJ Warren. I believe Kyrie will be around 33 million starting so that leaves them about 27-28 mill left. I believe it would be beneficial for Nets to explore S&T options if they sign Kyrie.

[bigfoot]

Out of curiosity, how much cap space will you guys likely have this offseason?

Right now we are over the cap but have $9.2M and $3.5M MLE and BA exceptions. In the scenario where we renounce the rights to our free agents excluding Oubre as well as renounce the two exceptions we will have about $10M. If we are going to make a splash this off season it will require some creative trades.

[rcc8884]

Something that Gambo said yesterday is that he does not expect Richaun Holmes back.

The Suns probably want a backup C who can spread the floor and shoot the three, he talked about Dedmon like someone that would fit in that role.

I am OK with the idea of having another backup C.

I want someone bigger than Holmes, someone who can eat some space around the rim and has a higher basketball IQ.

Muscala can fit that role too.

If that is true then that is STUPID!

Holmes is a stud. I love his effort, passion, and hustle. And he produces. He's M.Harrel lite!

I would prefer to keep Holmes as we greatly need depth for the bigs but if it is between him or Dedmon, I think you go Dedmon without a doubt

Although I would be happy if we somehow got both while also addressing PG

[wheezy]

I thought Holmes got worse as the season went. Personally wouldn't want the team to overpay to keep him if they're able to get a different backup c at a decent salary. Not sure on Dedmon but I thought Khem Birch was great last season (although he's a RFA).

[bwgood77]

TJ Warren, Bucks 1st is pretty nice package. Russell would need to want to go there and I think we are more attractive destination.

If they are not bringing back DLo, they will renounce and it will be a cap clearing move to clear space for two max guys like Kyrie, Durant...

So probably the easiest thing to do would be to waive and stretch Tyler Johnson. That should get close to max space. Then you might need to do one more by renouncing one of our free agents and/or trading JJ/TJ. If you wanted to keep Tyler, we'd have to trade both TJ and JJ into space or one of them and renounce Oubre.

They are expected to try to trade away crabbe which could end up opening up 18 mill in cap space. It is possible for them to have around 50 million in cap space while still having Russells 21 million cap hold. They S&T trade for TJ and a future 1st and gain an additional 10 million in cap space. So roughly 60 million in cap space while keeping a core of Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Levert, TJ Warren. I believe Kyrie will be around 33 million starting so that leaves them about 27-28 mill left. I believe it would be beneficial for Nets to explore S&T options if they sign Kyrie.

I think they need around $70 for KD/Kyrie. Without DLo's cap hold they have in the mid 50s....so just to get up above that 70 they need to still trade Crabbe into space in addition to renouncing DLo. They may be able to take back small salary, but not much.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BRK.html

[lilfishi22]

N. Mirotic
Tobias Harris
Thad Young

Gambo just named those 3 on his show as the PFs he expects the Suns to look at during FA.

I like two of those guys listed

[bwgood77]

Something that Gambo said yesterday is that he does not expect Richaun Holmes back.

The Suns probably want a backup C who can spread the floor and shoot the three, he talked about Dedmon like someone that would fit in that role.

I am OK with the idea of having another backup C.

I want someone bigger than Holmes, someone who can eat some space around the rim and has a higher basketball IQ.

Muscala can fit that role too.

If that is true then that is STUPID!

Holmes is a stud. I love his effort, passion, and hustle. And he produces. He's M.Harrel lite!

I would prefer to keep Holmes as we greatly need depth for the bigs but if it is between him or Dedmon, I think you go Dedmon without a doubt

Although I would be happy if we somehow got both while also addressing PG

Holmes only cost $1.6 of cap space (this summer) though regardless of what you pay him. Other guys will count their actual contract....so we likely have more for other free agents if we keep Holmes than if we go after another C.

[dremill24]

Yeah I really like Dedmon but he has much more capacity to be a starting center and thereby will likely have more suitors who can offer more PT and are willing to offer more money. Unless I’m severely overestimating his market, it likely wouldn’t be worth paying what he’d cost to just play backup minutes to Ayton. Might as well stick with Holmes or another low salary backup C, which are a dime a dozen.

[SunsLyf3]

If they are not bringing back DLo, they will renounce and it will be a cap clearing move to clear space for two max guys like Kyrie, Durant...

So probably the easiest thing to do would be to waive and stretch Tyler Johnson. That should get close to max space. Then you might need to do one more by renouncing one of our free agents and/or trading JJ/TJ. If you wanted to keep Tyler, we'd have to trade both TJ and JJ into space or one of them and renounce Oubre.

They are expected to try to trade away crabbe which could end up opening up 18 mill in cap space. It is possible for them to have around 50 million in cap space while still having Russells 21 million cap hold. They S&T trade for TJ and a future 1st and gain an additional 10 million in cap space. So roughly 60 million in cap space while keeping a core of Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Levert, TJ Warren. I believe Kyrie will be around 33 million starting so that leaves them about 27-28 mill left. I believe it would be beneficial for Nets to explore S&T options if they sign Kyrie.

I think they need around $70 for KD/Kyrie. Without DLo's cap hold they have in the mid 50s....so just to get up above that 70 they need to still trade Crabbe into space in addition to renouncing DLo. They may be able to take back small salary, but not much.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BRK.html

I might be wrong but I thought I read they could reach about 54 million by trading crabbe and keeping the hold. If we really want to get creative and there is Dloading interest we should 3 way call Pels and Nets to see if a 3 way can be worked out for Russell to Suns, AD to Nets and a package including 4 1st rd picks(1 from Suns, 1 from Bucks, 2 from nets), TJ Warren, Levert, Jarrett, Melton, draft rights to pels. If Kyrie leaves I dont know if theres interest from AD to Boston and they might not want to deal with Lakers. Also I'm assuming/hoping Griffin and Jones have a soft spot for each other from their cavs days lol.

[bwgood77]

They are expected to try to trade away crabbe which could end up opening up 18 mill in cap space. It is possible for them to have around 50 million in cap space while still having Russells 21 million cap hold. They S&T trade for TJ and a future 1st and gain an additional 10 million in cap space. So roughly 60 million in cap space while keeping a core of Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Levert, TJ Warren. I believe Kyrie will be around 33 million starting so that leaves them about 27-28 mill left. I believe it would be beneficial for Nets to explore S&T options if they sign Kyrie.

I think they need around $70 for KD/Kyrie. Without DLo's cap hold they have in the mid 50s....so just to get up above that 70 they need to still trade Crabbe into space in addition to renouncing DLo. They may be able to take back small salary, but not much.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BRK.html

I might be wrong but I thought I read they could reach about 54 million by trading crabbe and keeping the hold. If we really want to get creative and there is Dloading interest we should 3 way call Pels and Nets to see if a 3 way can be worked out for Russell to Suns, AD to Nets and a package including 4 1st rd picks(1 from Suns, 1 from Bucks, 2 from nets), TJ Warren, Levert, Jarrett, Melton, draft rights to pels. If Kyrie leaves I dont know if theres interest from AD to Boston and they might not want to deal with Lakers. Also I'm assuming/hoping Griffin and Jones have a soft spot for each other from their cavs days lol.

You're right...they have in the mid 50s without the hold and with Crabbe. So without Crabbe and the hold it's probably close to the same....if his hold is around $20.

[SunsLyf3]

I think they need around $70 for KD/Kyrie. Without DLo's cap hold they have in the mid 50s....so just to get up above that 70 they need to still trade Crabbe into space in addition to renouncing DLo. They may be able to take back small salary, but not much.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BRK.html

I might be wrong but I thought I read they could reach about 54 million by trading crabbe and keeping the hold. If we really want to get creative and there is Dloading interest we should 3 way call Pels and Nets to see if a 3 way can be worked out for Russell to Suns, AD to Nets and a package including 4 1st rd picks(1 from Suns, 1 from Bucks, 2 from nets), TJ Warren, Levert, Jarrett, Melton, draft rights to pels. If Kyrie leaves I dont know if theres interest from AD to Boston and they might not want to deal with Lakers. Also I'm assuming/hoping Griffin and Jones have a soft spot for each other from their cavs days lol.

You're right...they have in the mid 50s without the hold and with Crabbe. So without Crabbe and the hold it's probably close to the same....if his hold is around $20.

Yeah it's a 3 million difference but doable. I believe crabbe is 18 mill and Russell 21 mill.

[lilfishi22]

Yeah I really like Dedmon but he has much more capacity to be a starting center and thereby will likely have more suitors who can offer more PT and are willing to offer more money. Unless I’m severely overestimating his market, it likely wouldn’t be worth paying what he’d cost to just play backup minutes to Ayton. Might as well stick with Holmes or another low salary backup C, which are a dime a dozen.

Love me some Dedmon. I think he'd fit next to Ayton well. He's a fairly mobile 7 footer who rebounds, defends, shoots the 3 at a good clip and can finish at the rim.

[BobbieL]

Something that Gambo said yesterday is that he does not expect Richaun Holmes back.

The Suns probably want a backup C who can spread the floor and shoot the three, he talked about Dedmon like someone that would fit in that role.

I am OK with the idea of having another backup C.

I want someone bigger than Holmes, someone who can eat some space around the rim and has a higher basketball IQ.

Muscala can fit that role too.

If that is true then that is STUPID!

Holmes is a stud. I love his effort, passion, and hustle. And he produces. He's M.Harrel lite!

I am not sure how the team can improve PG, PF and still sign a C like Dedmon

My guess Gambo will not get one move or the draft pick correct.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I thought Holmes got worse as the season went. Personally wouldn't want the team to overpay to keep him if they're able to get a different backup c at a decent salary. Not sure on Dedmon but I thought Khem Birch was great last season (although he's a RFA).

Yeah I thought he wore down too. Now that could be due to playing a ton more minutes than he ever had before and next season would be better.

I'm fine either way with him. As a rule I'd never spend much on a backup C since you can find those dudes pretty easily. But if the money is low I'd be fine bringing him back.

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[Frank Lee]

Dedmon might pair up well with Ayton. I would not be surprised if we go that route. In fact, like it better than most other PF suggestions. Let Holmes walk... A for effort but not much else. I’m betting he gets 7-8 mill from some fool

[DirtyDez]

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[bigfoot]

If that is true then that is STUPID!

Holmes is a stud. I love his effort, passion, and hustle. And he produces. He's M.Harrel lite!

I would prefer to keep Holmes as we greatly need depth for the bigs but if it is between him or Dedmon, I think you go Dedmon without a doubt

Although I would be happy if we somehow got both while also addressing PG

Holmes only cost $1.6 of cap space (this summer) though regardless of what you pay him. Other guys will count their actual contract....so we likely have more for other free agents if we keep Holmes than if we go after another C.

If the Suns decide to renounce rights on their free agents they still have to have the minimum number of players rostered and the minimum pay is roughly $800K. So renouncing Holmes does almost nothing for the cap because dumping his $1.6M would require the Suns add $800K for a roster spot. Weirdly, renouncing Holmes only nets about $800K in cap space.

[Saberestar]

I would prefer to keep Holmes as we greatly need depth for the bigs but if it is between him or Dedmon, I think you go Dedmon without a doubt

Although I would be happy if we somehow got both while also addressing PG

Holmes only cost $1.6 of cap space (this summer) though regardless of what you pay him. Other guys will count their actual contract....so we likely have more for other free agents if we keep Holmes than if we go after another C.

If the Suns decide to renounce rights on their free agents they still have to have the minimum number of players rostered and the minimum pay is roughly $800K. So renouncing Holmes does almost nothing for the cap because dumping his $1.6M would require the Suns add $800K for a roster spot. Weirdly, renouncing Holmes only nets about $800K in cap space.

The thing is that life continues after next season.

We can not sign Holmes to a long term contract just only because his cap hold is low, we have the opportunity to grab a better backup C than him this summer.

[Saberestar]

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Not sure if Derrick Rose is a serious option for us, but I would love it. The guy has heart and can score.

I think that he is gonna sign with the Bulls, they need a PG too and obviously he coming back would be a nice story.

His next contract is probably longer than the last one. He can get $20M / 2 years.