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[alamin330]

Even though he was worst non-rookie defensive PG in NBA last year? Only Trae and Sexton worse. Backcourt defense would be awful. I guess many Suns fans have never cared much about defense, but I'm not sure how far we can go without it.

It seems that many Suns fans are drawn to deficient basketball players i.e Dinwiddie, Clarke, Aminu, Collison which is probably why the Suns are in this situation now because Sarver is also a suns fan who is drawn to deficient basketball players. Hopefully James Jones and Monty can rub off on some of these fans and Sarver

Jackson too. Those guys are all far better than Jackson and likely better than he will ever be and Dinwiddie and Clarke have their weaknesses but they also have some great strengths. Dinwiddie just doesn't fit well with Booker defensively. Aminu is a great defender and decent 3 pt shooter...he would help at PF...he isn't a stud but far better than someone like Randle or some others mentioned. Collison not great but good at what we need and far better defensively, from 3, and ast/to ratio than a guy like Dinwiddie.

Lol. I knew you or someone would bring up Jackson. I think the major difference though is that Jackson is only 2 year pro and those other guys are all veterans and Clarke is a question mark. I think if you like Clarke though I can’t see why you don’t have the same hope for Jackson. At least jackson has better measurements than Clarke and he hustles and works hard just as much as Clarke. I agree I don’t like Dinwiddie with Booker or anyone else on this team because he doesn’t pass the way a pg should. He’s a shoot first combo guard. Aminu is an ok defender definitely not good enough to be worth starting. Collison is a career backup who’s managed to trick everyone by going to teams who don’t have a pg and then leaving or being pushed out once that team gets one. As a backup he’s ok as a starter with this suns team we’re in for another long season.

[bwgood77]

Balls FT shooting was so bad last year you have to wonder if it's a little bit of the yips. For me it's the most concerning aspect of his game because when a player shoots that poorly from the line they tend to try to avoid getting fouled and that creates a whole separate set of issues.

I kind of go both ways with him. Love his bbiq and could talk myself into him really improving but also realize he could be a disaster waiting to happen on and off the floor. It's funny I'm probably one of the few people who actually like him more as a prospect now vs coming into the league. I was super down on him that draft and was happy the suns didn't get the 2nd pick because I wanted nothing to do with him..but his D and bbiq have grown on me even though it hasn't been the smoothest first couple years.

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It's weird he takes so many shots at the rim on a high percentage but avoids fouls.

[bwgood77]

Ya he shouldn't be able to just blatantly just say things like that. Why can't the league nail him for tampering by telling LAL that they're getting hit with helping Paul do this nonsense and getting another pick taken if they trade for AD. That statement HAS to give the celts pause on this whole thing-which sucks if we wanted to have any shot to get Smart. I still wonder if a non NYC-LA team would try it, Toronto winning tomorrow would help that narrative.

We can't really afford to have such a bad shooter in Smart given our terrible 3 pt shooting.

[bwgood77]

It seems that many Suns fans are drawn to deficient basketball players i.e Dinwiddie, Clarke, Aminu, Collison which is probably why the Suns are in this situation now because Sarver is also a suns fan who is drawn to deficient basketball players. Hopefully James Jones and Monty can rub off on some of these fans and Sarver

Jackson too. Those guys are all far better than Jackson and likely better than he will ever be and Dinwiddie and Clarke have their weaknesses but they also have some great strengths. Dinwiddie just doesn't fit well with Booker defensively. Aminu is a great defender and decent 3 pt shooter...he would help at PF...he isn't a stud but far better than someone like Randle or some others mentioned. Collison not great but good at what we need and far better defensively, from 3, and ast/to ratio than a guy like Dinwiddie.

Lol. I knew you or someone would bring up Jackson. I think the major difference though is that Jackson is only 2 year pro and those other guys are all veterans and Clarke is a question mark. I think if you like Clarke though I can’t see why you don’t have the same hope for Jackson. At least jackson has better measurements than Clarke and he hustles and works hard just as much as Clarke. I agree I don’t like Dinwiddie with Booker or anyone else on this team because he doesn’t pass the way a pg should. He’s a shoot first combo guard. Aminu is an ok defender definitely not good enough to be worth starting. Collison is a career backup who’s managed to trick everyone by going to teams who don’t have a pg and then leaving or being pushed out once that team gets one. As a backup he’s ok as a starter with this suns team we’re in for another long season.

Clarke is an elite defender though and Jackson is just ok. Clarke also protect the rim and rebounds more...just fits more of a need. Aminu is a premier defender tasked with guarding guys like George, KD, etc. Collison isn't great and I feel he should be one of our last options but also feel he fits the things we need and is still an enormous upgrade from our PGs last year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Ya he shouldn't be able to just blatantly just say things like that. Why can't the league nail him for tampering by telling LAL that they're getting hit with helping Paul do this nonsense and getting another pick taken if they trade for AD. That statement HAS to give the celts pause on this whole thing-which sucks if we wanted to have any shot to get Smart. I still wonder if a non NYC-LA team would try it, Toronto winning tomorrow would help that narrative.

We can't really afford to have such a bad shooter in Smart given our terrible 3 pt shooting.

36.4% on 4.3 attempts per game. Whatcha talkin bout, bw?

[Crives]

Jackson too. Those guys are all far better than Jackson and likely better than he will ever be and Dinwiddie and Clarke have their weaknesses but they also have some great strengths. Dinwiddie just doesn't fit well with Booker defensively. Aminu is a great defender and decent 3 pt shooter...he would help at PF...he isn't a stud but far better than someone like Randle or some others mentioned. Collison not great but good at what we need and far better defensively, from 3, and ast/to ratio than a guy like Dinwiddie.

Lol. I knew you or someone would bring up Jackson. I think the major difference though is that Jackson is only 2 year pro and those other guys are all veterans and Clarke is a question mark. I think if you like Clarke though I can’t see why you don’t have the same hope for Jackson. At least jackson has better measurements than Clarke and he hustles and works hard just as much as Clarke. I agree I don’t like Dinwiddie with Booker or anyone else on this team because he doesn’t pass the way a pg should. He’s a shoot first combo guard. Aminu is an ok defender definitely not good enough to be worth starting. Collison is a career backup who’s managed to trick everyone by going to teams who don’t have a pg and then leaving or being pushed out once that team gets one. As a backup he’s ok as a starter with this suns team we’re in for another long season.

Clarke is an elite defender though and Jackson is just ok. Clarke also protect the rim and rebounds more...just fits more of a need. Aminu is a premier defender tasked with guarding guys like George, KD, etc. Collison isn't great and I feel he should be one of our last options but also feel he fits the things we need and is still an enormous upgrade from our PGs last year.

Clarke’s offense feels a bit underrated because of his 3pt shot. Really good decision making and efficiency scoring the ball inside. Jackson would be an all star if he had Clarke offensive decision making and inside touch.

[Waylay13]

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that wouldnt be a win for the Suns. A trade of the 6th for him would be close but adding in Jackson is overkill.

[bwgood77]

Ya he shouldn't be able to just blatantly just say things like that. Why can't the league nail him for tampering by telling LAL that they're getting hit with helping Paul do this nonsense and getting another pick taken if they trade for AD. That statement HAS to give the celts pause on this whole thing-which sucks if we wanted to have any shot to get Smart. I still wonder if a non NYC-LA team would try it, Toronto winning tomorrow would help that narrative.

We can't really afford to have such a bad shooter in Smart given our terrible 3 pt shooting.

36.4% on 4.3 attempts per game. Whatcha talkin bout, bw?

Didn't realize that. He's the one guy I didn't check before posting. It's quite remarkable that he increased his 3pt% and 2pt% THAT dramatically from last year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

I wouldn't have liked him before this season, and honestly I don't think the Celtics get rid of him or Rozier (unless Rozier gets a huge offer) if they lose Kyrie. They would almost surely in that case want to keep both.

[bigfoot]

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Now we're talking ... just say no to Ball and yes to SGA

[bigfoot]

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that wouldnt be a win for the Suns. A trade of the 6th for him would be close but adding in Jackson is overkill.

Jackson is steaming pile of road apples

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Now we're talking ... just say no to Ball and yes to SGA

If this is all it takes for AD. We should make an offer.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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that wouldnt be a win for the Suns. A trade of the 6th for him would be close but adding in Jackson is overkill.

Maybe, But I really think that the suns intend to move one of Jackson or Warren, IF not both. Therefore the Jackson inclusion would be more or less a salary dump to add cap space for a desired free agent target, and to help reduce the glut at the wing position?


My math may be a bit off, But getting Shai AND moving the 6th pick would add like 13 million or so to our cap space I believe, giving us upwards of 22-23 million perhaps.

And Shai was pretty good for the Clippers last season, And Also was a primary target of the suns during the draft wherein we traded for Bridges.

Could be something to consider.

[bigfoot]

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Now we're talking ... just say no to Ball and yes to SGA

If this is all it takes for AD. We should make an offer.

The Pels would be getting way more than the Spurs got for Leonard and the Kings got for Cousins

[WeekapaugGroove]

The NBA has to be pretty stoked that Griffin is trying to get the AD trade done before the draft. They will basically own the sports news cycle for the next month. Finals right into an AD trade, right into the draft, then FA. Plus I always kind of felt like the AD trade could hold up some movement early July as teams who are pursuing him hold off on other moves until he's moved.

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[BobbieL]

David Nash in Twitter - think his ID is @ivpointplay or something like that said:

Gambo said White over Culver and No on Ball

Remains to be seen but neither of those make sense to me GambadOrca

[Slim Charless]

We can't really afford to have such a bad shooter in Smart given our terrible 3 pt shooting.

36.4% on 4.3 attempts per game. Whatcha talkin bout, bw?

Didn't realize that. He's the one guy I didn't check before posting. It's quite remarkable that he increased his 3pt% and 2pt% THAT dramatically from last year.

I wouldn't have liked him before this season, and honestly I don't think the Celtics get rid of him or Rozier (unless Rozier gets a huge offer) if they lose Kyrie. They would almost surely in that case want to keep both.

Smart hiked up his shot 3pt % significantly this year. He was at .301 last year it jumped up that much. Ha. Maybe he could help some other guys on the team shoot. He did that while even improving his already excellent defense I believe this was the 1st year he made 1st team all defense. Boston wouldn't just let him go you're right about that but if they can get AD they'll pull the trigger.

Or least they would if Rich Paul wasnt out here saying stupid things.

[WeekapaugGroove]

David Nash in Twitter - think his ID is @ivpointplay or something like that said:

Gambo said White over Culver and No on Ball

Remains to be seen but neither of those make sense to me GambadOrca

Gambo is really high on white so that might be just his opinion.

The ball thing might be a little different though. He seems so adiment about it it's possible that's coming from the team. Now whether that's because they gueninely don't want ball or are using gambo to leak that for leverage is the question.

I do wonder if Monty Williams is just not interested in the potential off court tomfoolery that ball brings. Seems like he's a no nonsense type. He might not want to risk being 10 games into next season and having lavar go on every local and national media that will have him spouting off about how Monty isn't using his son correctly and how they need to sign his other sons and crap like that.

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[King4Day]

ESPN reported on Tuesday that the Lakers are the "leader in the clubhouse" for a potential Davis trade. One league source said Tuesday that Los Angeles had made progress towards completing a multi-team deal.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-knicks-organization-consider-signing-125217435.html

[King4Day]

As for that Clippers trade idea, there's no way we come away with SGA for just the 6th pick and Jackson. New Orleans should, and would, want him over anything we would offer in that deal IMO.