Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[Tyakack]

I have no idea what Ainge is offering if Tatum is not on the table.

I'm behind trading for AD without including Tatum, but I just don't know what that package is.

Probably Brown, Smart, Yabu, Williams, all the picks, his first born child, and one night with his wife.

I would have to think it's something like that if tatum isn't included.

[FeedReed]

i just don’t see what the big deal about tatum is. he’s not any better than brown... at best they are equals. the trade should be done by now.

[zoyathedestroya]

I have no idea what Ainge is offering if Tatum is not on the table.

I'm behind trading for AD without including Tatum, but I just don't know what that package is.

Probably
Brown, Smart, Yabu, 14, 20, 22?

I’d have to imagine We would need to add the Memphis pick also.

Right. Remove #22 and I think that's Ainge's base offer. He won't put the Memphis pick or Tatum IMO.
Salary-wise, those 5 get you there but the rookies have to be signed. Can the Pelicans go back on their word and trade AD to some other team while waiting for the 30-day period to lapse?

[Darthlukey]

I have no idea what Ainge is offering if Tatum is not on the table.

I'm behind trading for AD without including Tatum, but I just don't know what that package is.

Probably
Brown, Smart, Yabu, 14, 20, 22?

I’d have to imagine We would need to add the Memphis pick also.

Right. Remove #22 and I think that's Ainge's base offer. He won't put the Memphis pick or Tatum IMO.
Salary-wise, those 5 get you there but the rookies have to be signed. Can the Pelicans go back on their word and trade AD to some other team while waiting for the 30-day period to lapse?

My understanding is that until it's official, the deal isn't done. But it would be breaking unwritten rules, they would be crucified for it

[BillessuR6]

If Davis was willing to resign the deal is a no brainer...however, I wouldn’t trade Tatum for a 1 year rental unless there is realistic hope we can convince AD to stay…

If you can trade for a superstar you do it, no young guy should be off the table…If you remember Big Al and KG trade…a lot of people did not want to give up Al for KG…

Watching young guys delop is nice but I would rather win games and titles like Tyakack said...

[WeLikeOurGuys]

I have no idea what Ainge is offering if Tatum is not on the table.

I'm behind trading for AD without including Tatum, but I just don't know what that package is.

Probably
Brown, Smart, Yabu, 14, 20, 22?

I’d have to imagine We would need to add the Memphis pick also.

Right. Remove #22 and I think that's Ainge's base offer. He won't put the Memphis pick or Tatum IMO.
Salary-wise, those 5 get you there but the rookies have to be signed. Can the Pelicans go back on their word and trade AD to some other team while waiting for the 30-day period to lapse?

I just don’t think that’s enough to get David unless you can flip that Memphis pick for something else. I’d be ok losing that pick if it meant keeping Tatum.

[greenroom31]

I listened to yesterday's Lowe Post podcast and it was interesting to hear their discussions around the Celtics trading for AD. Lowe made the point that the prior summer he spent a bunch of time analyzing whether or not the Celtics should include Jaylen in a trade for Kawhi and ultimately argued against it.

He talked about how, even with uncertainty that a player will re-sign, for top 10 guys you just have to take that risk. Guys who look like sure things can fail to pan out or get injured. Team dynamics can change and chemistry can become toxic (as we've seen this year). His points resonated with me and led me to conclude that even with Kyrie it's worth it to trade for AD.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have no idea what Ainge is offering if Tatum is not on the table.

I'm behind trading for AD without including Tatum, but I just don't know what that package is.

This is exactly how I feel

[Stadium5]

That's nice. I am more interested in winning titles.

Trading for a 1 year rental of AD is not in your best interest then.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I listened to yesterday's Lowe Post podcast and it was interesting to hear their discussions around the Celtics trading for AD. Lowe made the point that the prior summer he spent a bunch of time analyzing whether or not the Celtics should include Jaylen in a trade for Kawhi and ultimately argued against it.

He talked about how, even with uncertainty that a player will re-sign, for top 10 guys you just have to take that risk. Guys who look like sure things can fail to pan out or get injured. Team dynamics can change and chemistry can become toxic (as we've seen this year). His points resonated with me and led me to conclude that even with Kyrie it's worth it to trade for AD.

Honestly may prefer trading for AD without Kyrie, even though its counter intuitive. I do feel that mercurial guys like Kyrie can rub team mates the wrong way and could drag the team down just as easily as he could bump it up.

[Tyakack]

That's nice. I am more interested in winning titles.

Trading for a 1 year rental of AD is not in your best interest then.

Trading for MVP talent is certainly in your best interest if you want to win titles. Certainly turning down that opportunity in favor of building around role players is not.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Speaking of which, it is **** embarrassing that the kid is being attacked for rooting for his hometown St. Louis Blues.

[BakersDozen]

Except most people dont think Tatum is just a role player.... im not saying he will reach ADs level. But im not trading him for one year of AD


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[SmartWentCrazy]

Also, just saying, but remember how Kawhi was gunna cost the Raptors both OG and Siakam? And then it was just Poeltl? I feel like thats gunna happen with an AD trade— were gunna keep Tatum cuz Rich Paul didnt realize that killing his trade value can help the Celtics get him for cheaper.

[zoyathedestroya]

HOU gets Smart, Yabu, Williams, #20
NOP gets Capela, Brown, #14, #22
BOS gets Davis

Houston finds a cheaper replacement for Capela in FA (Dedmon, Ed Davis, RoLo, DAJ, Boogie?) while they groom Williams. They're stuck with CP's albatross contract and there's not much means to add rotation guys. They can pair Smart w/ Harden if they load manage the crap out of Paul. Maybe he's a 6th man who plays 20-25 a night, takes some nights off until the playoffs. Draft an NBA-ready rook with #20.

Pelicans get a fringe all-star in Capela who will work well with Jrue Holiday in the PnR and pair well with Zion defensively. Brown, while flawed, is a playoff-tested two-way player who can still rise to being a future all-star. His RFA status makes him less attractive (but same can be said about Ingram, who has health issues to boot). Draft well with #14, #22 or flip for vets.

Boston gets their prize without giving up Tatum and the Memphis pick.

The key here is convincing Morey that is enough return for Capela lol. 1st-team All-Defense player who can bother the Warriors and Blazers backcourt and a great switch/team defender. A project with high upside in Williams. And draft compensation. If they're not trying to trade Capela, then I just wasted a lot of words convincing myself that this could be our way to get AD.

Or does Griffin like Smart over Capela?

[Sibelius]

That's nice. I am more interested in winning titles.

Trading for a 1 year rental of AD is not in your best interest then.

Trading for MVP talent is certainly in your best interest if you want to win titles. Certainly turning down that opportunity in favor of building around role players is not.

Do you honestly think this MVP talent is going to be bringing MVP level of effort after saying he will "fulfil his contractual obligations"? He wont and he'll be gone in a year (probably after sitting half the season and playoffs with a mysterious injury).

[Tyakack]

Trading for a 1 year rental of AD is not in your best interest then.

Trading for MVP talent is certainly in your best interest if you want to win titles. Certainly turning down that opportunity in favor of building around role players is not.

[color=#FF0000]Do you honestly think this MVP talent is going to be bringing MVP level of effort [/color]after saying he will "fulfil his contractual obligations"? He wont and he'll be gone in a year (probably after sitting half the season and playoffs with a mysterious injury).

Yes, I do.

[Tyakack]

Except most people dont think Tatum is just a role player.... im not saying he will reach ADs level. But im not trading him for one year of AD


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You can think all you want that he may turn into an all star one day. Hell, even I think that.... But he isn't now. No matter what you or I THINK.. And we could always be wrong. I'd rather trade for the sure superstar and trust we can win him over in boston rather than pray tatum and or brown can be an mvp player one day.

[zoyathedestroya]

Also, just saying, but remember how Kawhi was gunna cost the Raptors both OG and Siakam? And then it was just Poeltl? I feel like thats gunna happen with an AD trade— were gunna keep Tatum cuz Rich Paul didnt realize that killing his trade value can help the Celtics get him for cheaper.

Yep.

We're not saying AD isn't worth Tatum and more in true value. But who are we competing against? Why overbid when right now, the Lakers offer is a joke? You just have to beat that. Factor in Pelicans ownership probably not even wanting to deal AD to them after how they sabotaged AD's trade value. Pop experienced the same thing last season with Kawhi.

[Banks2Pierce]

Lowe said it, but it's a lot of eye of the beholder stuff with these assets below the Tatum tier. Lonzo, Jaylen, Ingram, Kuzma, Memphis pick, Knox, Dennis Smith, Smart, #3 and #4 picks. Polling people on how they rank them 1-10 would genuinely be all over the map. Jaylen's especially all over the map and that's even here.