Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[Froob]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

Really good team with Kyrie, without eh...if Hayward comes around it’s really good if he doesn’t could be basically the new Pelicans.

[JR Hawks]

Is this really worthy of its own thread?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

The first one will mess people up defensively.

Don't care for Rozier really. In your second scenario, you lose all three of Smart/Tatum/Brown?? Pels aren't getting all of that.

Oh geeze. My bad!!!

Unknown PG/Hayward/Tatum/AD/Horford

That makes it even worse for Kyrie to walk away. Both squads could be pretty good. I just hope we can get a TPE for Kyrie when he bounces. If the Nets want to trade us Joe Harris, or Levert, or RHJ, then I'd be ok with that as well.

[zoyathedestroya]

Ultimately, I'd put Tatum in if that's what's required but you don't trade away your best chips unless you're forced to. Otherwise, deal's done by now.

Come on, Lakers offer is Ingram (health question mark and soon-to-be-RFA), Ball (injury-prone, can't shoot), #4 (which could easily be #12 in this draft). We can beat that without including Tatum.

[CeltsfaninDC]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

exactly... screw him

[MagicBagley18]

I can’t even entertain an AD trade without Tatum it’s pointless to even dignify it....just won’t ever happen. If it does I’ll eat crow and love it but it’s a pie in the sky fantasy.

Outside show mayyyyyyybeeeee they flip a ton of assets to a team and then pels get that player and brown but I don’t even think that’s feasible from an asset or salary cap perspective

[Bar Fight]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

How would we get him without giving up Smart, Al, or Hayward?

[zoyathedestroya]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

exactly... screw him

If winning and salary aren't a priority, Brooklyn it is.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Is this really worthy of its own thread?

Nope— merged into the AD thread

[Leprechaun18]

Except most people dont think Tatum is just a role player.... im not saying he will reach ADs level. But im not trading him for one year of AD


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You can think all you want that he may turn into an all star one day. Hell, even I think that.... But he isn't now. No matter what you or I THINK.. And we could always be wrong. I'd rather trade for the sure superstar and trust we can win him over in boston rather than pray tatum and or brown can be an mvp player one day.

The thing is if we give up Tatum Smart and all our good picks then we need to be atleast a top two team after the trade, because if we dont make the finals, AD walks and then our future is much darker. Its generally not a good idea to trade a lot of assets for a one year rental.

[Banks2Pierce]

Don't care for Rozier really.

Becomes close to mandatory that we keep him if we part with Smart and/or lose Kyrie. Last season was a joke from him, but he established a good baseline in the two previous years.

[zoyathedestroya]

Don't care for Rozier really.

Becomes close to mandatory that we keep him if we part with Smart and/or lose Kyrie. Last season was a joke from him, but he established a good baseline in the two previous years.

I think it's 90% certain that he's back as long as Kyrie's gone. With or without Smart, Danny is re-signing Rozier. At the very least, you have additional salary for a midseason trade. If it works out, you have a decent enough starting PG for the playoffs like two seasons ago.

I just don't care that he's back lol.

[jeremym480]

Lowe said it, but it's a lot of eye of the beholder stuff with these assets below the Tatum tier. Lonzo, Jaylen, Ingram, Kuzma, Memphis pick, Knox, Dennis Smith, Smart, #3 and #4 picks. Polling people on how they rank them 1-10 would genuinely be all over the map. Jaylen's especially all over the map and that's even here.

I listened to a Pelicans podcast about two weeks ago and they put all of the potential trade pieces in categories then gave them a ranked them 1-10 (I don't remember the exact ranking so I won't incude that) The categories were center piece, draft capital , and "everything else". The teams were the Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Clippers, and Nets and they worked out a potential trade wit each of them. I don't have the best memory but I think it was something like below:

Center Piece - This was weighted the most because if you trade for a star, then obviously you want a star (or at least someone you think can become a star) in return
1) BOS- Tatum - Keep in mind this was before Rich Paul started his **** and tanked really AD's value to Boston
2) NY - #3
3) LAC - SGA - The Clips have since said that he's not available but I think he would be if they could get AD
4) LAL - #4
5) BRK - They assumed a S&T for Russell is off the table, I think the chose Allen, but Levert was close.

Draft Capital - If the center piece was a pick, then that pick didn't count toward draft capital
1) BOS - the Memphis Pick and or #14, plus other picks, and their own future picks
2) NY - Dallas picks, and their own picks
3) LAC - Miami 21 unprotected (I would rate that #2 personally), they also have Philly pick in 21 iirc
4 & 5) BRK & LAL - I believe they each just have their own picks

Everything Else
1) LAL - Some combination of Ingram, Ball, Kuz
2) LAC - Shamet, Gallo (for salary matching purposes and expiring) and either Lou or Harrell
3) BRK - Levert, Kurucs, and either Harris or Dinwiddie
4) BOS - Smart, Williams
5) NY - Robinson, Knox, DSJ

In conclusion,
1) Boston was #1 by a wide margin due, mainly due to center piece being weighted more, but also their future draft capital.
2) New York was #2 because they love Barrett and they think that their picks will be decent. Basically, because even if they get AD their ownership is so bad that they will find a way to blow it.
3) They had the Clippers at 3 because they love a backcourt of SGA and Jrue and really like Shamet playing with Zion. Plus, the future pick and the ability to flip guys like Gallo or Lou/Harrell if things go awry.
4) The Lakers - Their "everything else" is decent but there's no true center piece at #4 and they don't have much potential for high future draft picks with Lebron and AD
5) The Nets were a distant fifth and really didn't have a much more than a punchers chance even if they went "Billy King".

Obviously, all of this is subjective and some things have changed (Tatum potentially not being available) but if you insert Brown in his spot, then I still thing they're Number 1.... I could have my green colored glasses on though.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Scarletfire81]

I get that adding Tatum would get it done but wasn't Brown & assets enough to get Kawhi? Kawhi is the better player as well.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

Really good team with Kyrie, without eh...if Hayward comes around it’s really good if he doesn’t could be basically the new Pelicans.

Still better than the Nets though.

[brackdan70]

So, if we do get AD, then our squad might look like:

Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford

or

PG (Rozier)??/Hayward/Morris/AD/Horford

And Kyrie wants to walk away from that?

How would we get him without giving up Smart, Al, or Hayward?

Could conceivably do it with Brown, Yabu and signed 2019 picks added to Tatum,

or S and T Rozier which is fantasyland.

[greenroom31]

I get that adding Tatum would get it done but wasn't Brown & assets enough to get Kawhi? Kawhi is the better player as well.

The difference with Kawhi was that in addition to the uncertainty about being able to re-sign him, there were questions about his health and if he would be able to contribute in a meaningful way. AD is healthy, it's just about retaining him.

The better comparison IMO is Paul George who was going on Jimmy Kimmel and talking about being a Laker before his first season in OKC. Indiana ended up with good value for him in retrospect (at least prior to Oladipo's unfortunate and unforseeable injury), but at the time general consensus was that it was a terrible deal. The question would be, are there guys on Boston similar to Oladipo who New Orleans thinks can thrive in the right environment but are being held back due to teammates (Westbrook = Kyrie in this comparison).

[Leprechaun18]

I get that adding Tatum would get it done but wasn't Brown & assets enough to get Kawhi? Kawhi is the better player as well.

The difference with Kawhi was that in addition to the uncertainty about being able to re-sign him, there were questions about his health and if he would be able to contribute in a meaningful way. AD is healthy, it's just about retaining him.

The better comparison IMO is Paul George who was going on Jimmy Kimmel and talking about being a Laker before his first season in OKC. Indiana ended up with good value for him in retrospect (at least prior to Oladipo's unfortunate and unforseeable injury), but at the time general consensus was that it was a terrible deal. The question would be, are there guys on Boston similar to Oladipo who New Orleans thinks can thrive in the right environment but are being held back due to teammates (Westbrook = Kyrie in this comparison).

PG went cheap. The Pelicans want a load for AD and he had less success than PG. Thus the risk is way higher trading for AD.

[Triple7]

If Davis was willing to resign the deal is a no brainer...however, I wouldn’t trade Tatum for a 1 year rental unless there is realistic hope we can convince AD to stay…

If you can trade for a superstar you do it, no young guy should be off the table…If you remember Big Al and KG trade…a lot of people did not want to give up Al for KG…

Watching young guys delop is nice but I would rather win games and titles like Tyakack said...

How can we win titles if he’s only staying here for a year? With basically gutting our team to get him, and minus a legit 2nd option, i don’t think we can compete.