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Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2

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Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread, 2019 – Welcome to the Party, #2 

Post#121 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:18 pm

darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.
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lol k


The Knicks and the effin Wizards? Really? Lol. I do have the Celtics as a 6th seed as is. But those two teams are awful.


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Wall won't even play all year. The Knicks have two max slots for rozier and Marcus Morris...

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Post#122 » by canman1971 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:20 pm

darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.
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lol k


The Knicks and the effin Wizards? Really? Lol. I do have the Celtics as a 6th seed as is. But those two teams are awful.


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What are you talking about? The team the Celtics will theoretically field next season made it to the ECF without Kyrie and Gordon. Of course this past season was a disaster, in title terms, I'm pretty sure they will still be pretty good. The fact you put the Knicks (who are they gonna sign?), the Nets (again, no idea who is on that team), and the Wizards (who have sucked for so long even with good players) all ahead of the Celtics. This might be the most uninformed, uneducated, dumb post I have seen in quite some time. And given all that has gone on, that says a lot.
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Post#123 » by DarkAzcura » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:21 pm

darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.
chrisab123 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
lol k


The Knicks and the effin Wizards? Really? Lol. I do have the Celtics as a 6th seed as is. But those two teams are awful.


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The Wizards were 13-22 up until John Wall went out with injury. They are not a good team.

He isn’t even gonna be back until February or March 2020 probably at best if he even moved the needle at all. He probably won’t even suit up next season to be honest.
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Post#124 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:22 pm

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KamikazeK wrote:In their careers so far Brown and Tatum have been below average players. A little luck one year in the playoffs against awful east teams doesn't change that. If they were anywhere near as good as you think they are we wouldn't have lost 4 games in a row to Milwaukee.


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Is it though?? Tatum's raw numbers scream mediocrity and that's before you take into account in penchant for going missing during crunch times of games often. He'd have a great 1st quarter only to allow himself to be taken out of the game completely in the 2nd half. After saying that he wanted to work on getting stronger and getting to the line more last offseason, he proceeded to take more long 2's this year, get to the line less and then complain after blowing layups. His numbers for this season are prime-level Trevor Ariza.

Jaylen Brown actually lost his starting spot to a guy who couldn't even shoot league average in any year leading up to this one. He was often reckless, turnover prone, and after 2 dribbles the likelihood of him bouncing the ball off of his own foot went up to 90% In addition, despite all of the physical tools he has to become an elite defender, he was one of the more uncommunicative team defenders on the team last year. He got baked on switches routinely and that's when he wasn't pouting about losing his spot or touches to guy who polished off an All-NBA 2nd team season while setting career highs in multiple offensive and defensive categories.

If they weren't below average, they were average at best. Mediocre at most. They regressed last season in almost every sense. I will give some credit to Brown for righting the ship later on but what I'm most surprised about on this forum (and maybe I shouldn't be) is how quickly posters come to their defense with excuses for their performance. You'd think with players that people portend are to be the cornerstones of this franchise and linchpins of the next Celtic dynasty, there would not be such an alarming lack of accountability sent their way.

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Post#125 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:25 pm

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darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.
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The Knicks and the effin Wizards? Really? Lol. I do have the Celtics as a 6th seed as is. But those two teams are awful.


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What are you talking about? The team the Celtics will theoretically field next season made it to the ECF without Kyrie and Gordon. Of course this past season was a disaster, in title terms, I'm pretty sure they will still be pretty good. The fact you put the Knicks (who are they gonna sign?), the Nets (again, no idea who is on that team), and the Wizards (who have sucked for so long even with good players) all ahead of the Celtics. This might be the most uninformed, uneducated, dumb post I have seen in quite some time. And given all that has gone on, that says a lot.
I agree with most of this but that team had Morris all year and Kyrie the first 2/3 of the season.

Maybe if Hayward becomes Paul goerge but we won't be seeing any conference finals anytime soon


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Post#126 » by canman1971 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:28 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
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darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.

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What are you talking about? The team the Celtics will theoretically field next season made it to the ECF without Kyrie and Gordon. Of course this past season was a disaster, in title terms, I'm pretty sure they will still be pretty good. The fact you put the Knicks (who are they gonna sign?), the Nets (again, no idea who is on that team), and the Wizards (who have sucked for so long even with good players) all ahead of the Celtics. This might be the most uninformed, uneducated, dumb post I have seen in quite some time. And given all that has gone on, that says a lot.
I agree with most of this but that team had Morris all year and Kyrie the first 2/3 of the season.

Maybe if Hayward becomes Paul goerge but we won't be seeing any conference finals anytime soon


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Oh I get that, but one would think that Tatum, Brown, maybe Rozier and even Gordon will be better.
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Post#127 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:35 pm

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canman1971 wrote:What are you talking about? The team the Celtics will theoretically field next season made it to the ECF without Kyrie and Gordon. Of course this past season was a disaster, in title terms, I'm pretty sure they will still be pretty good. The fact you put the Knicks (who are they gonna sign?), the Nets (again, no idea who is on that team), and the Wizards (who have sucked for so long even with good players) all ahead of the Celtics. This might be the most uninformed, uneducated, dumb post I have seen in quite some time. And given all that has gone on, that says a lot.
I agree with most of this but that team had Morris all year and Kyrie the first 2/3 of the season.

Maybe if Hayward becomes Paul goerge but we won't be seeing any conference finals anytime soon


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Oh I get that, but one would think that Tatum, Brown, maybe Rozier and even Gordon will be better.
We might be better to watch without Kyrie but this whole thing with us winning more just because he left is obtuse.

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Post#128 » by canman1971 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:37 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
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Darth Celtic wrote:I agree with most of this but that team had Morris all year and Kyrie the first 2/3 of the season.

Maybe if Hayward becomes Paul goerge but we won't be seeing any conference finals anytime soon


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Oh I get that, but one would think that Tatum, Brown, maybe Rozier and even Gordon will be better.
We might be better to watch without Kyrie but this whole thing with us winning more just because he left is obtuse.

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Oh I don't agree with that. I am all for Kyrie coming back, but if he doesn't the team isn't all of sudden going to be a freaking 9 seed due to it.
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Post#129 » by chrisab123 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
darylbe wrote:The Knicks potentially as people actually have a reason to play in New York, with 2 max contract openings. And yes, John wall and Bradley Beal is significantly better than the brown tatum combo.
chrisab123 wrote:
The Knicks and the effin Wizards? Really? Lol. I do have the Celtics as a 6th seed as is. But those two teams are awful.


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Wall won't even play all year. The Knicks have two max slots for rozier and Marcus Morris...

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I hope the Knicks max out Rozier.

Wizards will be the worst team in the NBA. Enough with this nonsense.
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Post#130 » by ThirtyFour » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:21 pm

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What’s truly funny to me is that after a whole year of hearing how poisonous the locker room was and how dysfunctional the team was, the only player who has PUBLICLY said he may want to leave is Rozier. Everyone else besides him and Kyrie seem to want to stay Celtics.

I’m back and forth on bringing Morris back, part of me says it’s time to part ways, then part of me remembers when he was one of our best players last season, then part of me remembers when he wasn’t again.

The biggest issue I don’t want to deal with this coming season is this team not having defined starters. As it is I’m concerned, especially if you bring Rozier back, how we will define our starters. In my estimation these players are all in the starters equation:
Al, Tatum, Jaylen, Hayward, Baynes, Smart and Rozier.

If you bring back Morris, I doubt he’s looking to play off the bench. I think it would be a really poor move to think we can do another even half season of musical starters after last year. So How do you come up with a solid starting 5 and keep everyone happy.

It’s tough cuz you just don’t know what Hayward is gonna look like and his value is crap. So find the best deal for brown?
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Post#131 » by Festurs » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:27 pm

Don’t resign Marcus Morris please. Terrible defensively, poor rebounder and absolute ball stopper. I did like how he seemed to pick up the intensity during the playoffs but during the season it was hot shooting or absolutely nothing.
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Post#132 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:35 pm

We had individuals playing well for stretches at a time. But never really had a long stretch of playing well as a team.

No more Mook. No more Rozier, if possible. Adios, Kyrie. Worst thing we could do is just run it back.

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Post#133 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:35 pm

Festurs wrote:Don’t resign Marcus Morris please. Terrible defensively, poor rebounder and absolute ball stopper. I did like how he seemed to pick up the intensity during the playoffs but during the season it was hot shooting or absolutely nothing.
Nah. He would for sure help us win. But you don't resign him regardless

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Post#134 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:42 pm

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Festurs wrote:Don’t resign Marcus Morris please. Terrible defensively, poor rebounder and absolute ball stopper. I did like how he seemed to pick up the intensity during the playoffs but during the season it was hot shooting or absolutely nothing.
Nah. He would for sure help us win. But you don't resign him regardless

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Who knows? There is an opportunity cost to resigning him. Maybe his replacement would help the Celtics win even more.
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Post#135 » by Theocy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:42 pm

If we get Al on something like 4/60, let terry and marcus walk, how does our cap space look.
We have too many picks. I would expect danny to use them to either get a starter pg or a starter C.

Then the roster would be:

New starter
Gordon
Tatum
Al
New starter

This leaves jaylen out. I cant fathom how we can have gordon jaylen and tatum in the same roster going forward. Too much clutter. Someone goes. Assuming tht is not Tatum and Gordon is well, still a shadow of himself it is probably Jaylen. Question is how much money can be saved from al’s extension and who would be interested in Jaylen plus picks. And in that case who we acquire should be able to be our future pg or c starter.

Unless the plan is to roll out this
New starter / smart
Jaylen
Gordon
Tatum
Al

I think this team will be crushed. Neither tatum or gordon can play the 4 even though Tatum (lengh wise) should be able in principle.
Also this roster is probably a second round exit and we really cant target a high calibre pg because of cap space.
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Post#136 » by Festurs » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:46 pm

If horford opts out I wonder if we could sign Brogdon to an offer sheet. Milwaukee can’t go overboard matching with the money they have tied up in Bledsoe. I think he could blow up into something special with enough opportunity.
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Post#137 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:47 pm

Let Morris go and spread his minutes out to Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Semi.
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Post#138 » by robdog_5 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:49 pm

Theocy wrote:If we get Al on something like 4/60, let terry and marcus walk, how does our cap space look.
We have too many picks. I would expect danny to use them to either get a starter pg or a starter C.

Then the roster would be:

New starter
Gordon
Tatum
Al
New starter

This leaves jaylen out. I cant fathom how we can have gordon jaylen and tatum in the same roster going forward. Too much clutter. Someone goes. Assuming tht is not Tatum and Gordon is well, still a shadow of himself it is probably Jaylen. Question is how much money can be saved from al’s extension and who would be interested in Jaylen plus picks. And in that case who we acquire should be able to be our future pg or c starter.

Unless the plan is to roll out this
New starter / smart
Jaylen
Gordon
Tatum
Al

I think this team will be crushed. Neither tatum or gordon can play the 4 even though Tatum (lengh wise) should be able in principle.
Also this roster is probably a second round exit and we really cant target a high calibre pg because of cap space.


Depends on the team we face. Not everyone is super big anymore. But vs. teams like Sixers or even Bucks we may have to start Baynes or another added C if we add any.
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Post#139 » by robdog_5 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:52 pm

I've wondered what it would be like to start Horford, Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Smart. Smart, Horford and Hayward can initiate the offense. Huge team with switchability and overall ability to rebound should be helped by being long at the G positions.

Could also start a massive team with Baynes, Horford, Hayward, Tatum and Brown. That would be a lot of pressure on Hayward to be the main ball handler though.
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Post#140 » by Theocy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:56 pm

If kyrie horfie and morris walk we have space for one max dont we ?

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