Anthony Davis to the Lakers!

[BadMofoPimp]

Trade scenarios that would make us a better team but not close or even competitive against the three top in the east if Kahwi stays. Moving from 8th to 4th while being an improvement isn’t anything to get excited about, especially when what we would be trading is our ability and effectiveness to rebuild, kicking the inevitable can several more years down the road.

Rebuilding is more than a respectable option, it’s the only option offering us real hope of putting together an entertaining and successful team. This team is far too flawed to be going all in on anything other than the rebuild. If anything I think the past decade plus of trying to rebuild on the fly has shown us that it’s a formula destined to fail here and it’s time to place our priorities else where.

Team ain't rebuilding no matter how loud whiners whine. I reckon we have to suffer through complainers and rebuilding conspriacists for the next 2 years before rebuilding becomes the option if this team doesn't make it to the next level.

Team ain’t competing for more than the 4th seed at best no matter how loud whiners whine. This team **** sucks, we barely made the playoffs and we are capped out. Every single credible NBA analyst reiterates the same. Do you ever read articles or listen to any NBA podcasts? dunc’d on? The Lowe post? The ringer? Not a single analyst has said anything close to us being a good team, or having anything other than a bleak outlook. I know for a fact those guys have far more knowledge and resources than us, not to mention they also speak to team personnel. So you’re now criticising me because I’m agreeing with the professional consensus? You didn’t even counter the points I’m making and instead attacked my post simply because I’m a rebuild advocate and you clearly aren’t. How about you add value to the discussion and do what nobody in the win-now camp has done and explain how wasting resources (trading picks or expiring contracts) equates to a good thing when there’s no way in hell we are even close to the top 3 in the east, our team would be heavily dependant on older injured players, and will only hurt out chances of having a successful rebuild.

The problem is that there will be no rebuild for at least 1 to 2 more years. Yet, people can only post about futile rebuild dreams. I suggest playing NBA2k because that is the closest you will get.

[A_dub06]

I think everyone knows a rebuild is needed. Just some of us know it ain’t happening and don’t try to pounce on everyone every time they discuss something that isn’t doomsday.

It’s just making the board stale and nothing to talk about anymore cause posters just lerk waiting to pounce someone as soon as it’s not a sky is falling post.

This is easily one of the worst sections of the whole site now thanks to that non sense. Which I said would happen after it runs off all the quality posters.

I believe this to be unfair and also untrue. I think the staleness is far more a reflection of the general dissatisfaction level toward the team and a feeling of helplessness where a rebuild is wanted but no matter how badly it’s desired we all know Gores will continue beating the dead horse maintaining the status quo making Groundhog Day feeling true every day in the life of a diehard Pistons fan.

How many seasons have we seen a poor product on the floor? How many seasons have we placed our entire outlook on a highly flawed and often injured player? How many seasons have we watched Drummond put up spectacular stat lines but fail to become the dominant player he could so easily be, how many seasons have we watched guys pout on the court? How many seasons have we had a hugely ineffective and downright damaging front office? I could continue but you get my drift.

I remember clearly when we won our last championship, I remember the Iverson year, the Villanueva years and the Maxiell years. Never in my Piston fandom life have I felt so hopeless than what I currently do. I think you will find more people that will relate to this post than those unwilling to post due to rebuild advocates.

[A_dub06]

Team ain't rebuilding no matter how loud whiners whine. I reckon we have to suffer through complainers and rebuilding conspriacists for the next 2 years before rebuilding becomes the option if this team doesn't make it to the next level.

Team ain’t competing for more than the 4th seed at best no matter how loud whiners whine. This team **** sucks, we barely made the playoffs and we are capped out. Every single credible NBA analyst reiterates the same. Do you ever read articles or listen to any NBA podcasts? dunc’d on? The Lowe post? The ringer? Not a single analyst has said anything close to us being a good team, or having anything other than a bleak outlook. I know for a fact those guys have far more knowledge and resources than us, not to mention they also speak to team personnel. So you’re now criticising me because I’m agreeing with the professional consensus? You didn’t even counter the points I’m making and instead attacked my post simply because I’m a rebuild advocate and you clearly aren’t. How about you add value to the discussion and do what nobody in the win-now camp has done and explain how wasting resources (trading picks or expiring contracts) equates to a good thing when there’s no way in hell we are even close to the top 3 in the east, our team would be heavily dependant on older injured players, and will only hurt out chances of having a successful rebuild.

The problem is that there will be no rebuild for at least 1 to 2 more years. Yet, people can only post about futile rebuild dreams. I suggest playing NBA2k because that is the closest you will get.

Lol you’re still failing to adequately address the points I’ve made. What’s the point in debating anything if you’re not going to discuss the points that have been made? You’re telling me to go play 2k but you haven’t stated which trades you want to make to fix this team. I haven’t read anything that shows we are close to or considered favourites to trade for any player so you’re idea of winning now is more far fetched in my opinion than discussing potential rebuild scenarios.

If you’re going to respond please address the points I have previously raised otherwise there’s really no point in discussing anything as you are now just resorting to petty comments.

[BadMofoPimp]

Team ain’t competing for more than the 4th seed at best no matter how loud whiners whine. This team **** sucks, we barely made the playoffs and we are capped out. Every single credible NBA analyst reiterates the same. Do you ever read articles or listen to any NBA podcasts? dunc’d on? The Lowe post? The ringer? Not a single analyst has said anything close to us being a good team, or having anything other than a bleak outlook. I know for a fact those guys have far more knowledge and resources than us, not to mention they also speak to team personnel. So you’re now criticising me because I’m agreeing with the professional consensus? You didn’t even counter the points I’m making and instead attacked my post simply because I’m a rebuild advocate and you clearly aren’t. How about you add value to the discussion and do what nobody in the win-now camp has done and explain how wasting resources (trading picks or expiring contracts) equates to a good thing when there’s no way in hell we are even close to the top 3 in the east, our team would be heavily dependant on older injured players, and will only hurt out chances of having a successful rebuild.

The problem is that there will be no rebuild for at least 1 to 2 more years. Yet, people can only post about futile rebuild dreams. I suggest playing NBA2k because that is the closest you will get.

Lol you’re still failing to adequately address the points I’ve made. What’s the point in debating anything if you’re not going to discuss the points that have been made? You’re telling me to go play 2k but you haven’t stated which trades you want to make to fix this team. I haven’t read anything that shows we are close to or considered favourites to trade for any player so you’re idea of winning now is more far fetched in my opinion than discussing potential rebuild scenarios.

If you’re going to respond please address the points I have previously raised otherwise there’s really no point in discussing anything as you are now just resorting to petty comments.

Just saying it is futile to dream of rebuilding when that option isn't viable until Drummond is in the last year of his contract being Blake is a long term contract. I don't think Management nor ower would even consider it. Hence, not going to happen. So, all the tankers can dream of tanking, but your best option to live that dream is by playing NBA2k.

[Manocad]

Team ain't rebuilding no matter how loud whiners whine. I reckon we have to suffer through complainers and rebuilding conspriacists for the next 2 years before rebuilding becomes the option if this team doesn't make it to the next level.

Team ain’t competing for more than the 4th seed at best no matter how loud whiners whine. This team **** sucks, we barely made the playoffs and we are capped out. Every single credible NBA analyst reiterates the same. Do you ever read articles or listen to any NBA podcasts? dunc’d on? The Lowe post? The ringer? Not a single analyst has said anything close to us being a good team, or having anything other than a bleak outlook. I know for a fact those guys have far more knowledge and resources than us, not to mention they also speak to team personnel. So you’re now criticising me because I’m agreeing with the professional consensus? You didn’t even counter the points I’m making and instead attacked my post simply because I’m a rebuild advocate and you clearly aren’t. How about you add value to the discussion and do what nobody in the win-now camp has done and explain how wasting resources (trading picks or expiring contracts) equates to a good thing when there’s no way in hell we are even close to the top 3 in the east, our team would be heavily dependant on older injured players, and will only hurt out chances of having a successful rebuild.

The problem is that there will be no rebuild for at least 1 to 2 more years. Yet, people can only post about futile rebuild dreams. I suggest playing NBA2k because that is the closest you will get.

It's the same thing with the trades. All the dreamers who play the "May as well make trades to get better now" game are proposing trades like they absolutely can be made because the salaries match and in their own "why it makes sense to both teams" analysis they all make perfect sense. But the truth is nobody wants any of the Pistons players. There hasn't been diddly squat in the media about any trade talks whatsoever. It shouldn't be hard to figure out why.

I agree that, given Stepanski's statement that he wants to keep building around Blake, Dre, and Reggie, the rebuild process certainly isn't going to start now. But the "get better now via trades and contend" process won't either because the Pistons don't have any players anyone wants or needs, so they've got nothing to work with unless they use picks and expirings. No team is going to jump up and yell "You know what? Let's help the Pistons get better" without any trade being a total fleecing, and even the Pistons' dumb management is well aware that they can't trade away the entire future because Blake is, well, Blake. No matter how much sunshine all the "win now with trades" people want to blow up each others' asses and bitch about anyone who disagrees, it's just as futile a discussion because it just ain't happening.

[MotownMadness]

Team ain’t competing for more than the 4th seed at best no matter how loud whiners whine. This team **** sucks, we barely made the playoffs and we are capped out. Every single credible NBA analyst reiterates the same. Do you ever read articles or listen to any NBA podcasts? dunc’d on? The Lowe post? The ringer? Not a single analyst has said anything close to us being a good team, or having anything other than a bleak outlook. I know for a fact those guys have far more knowledge and resources than us, not to mention they also speak to team personnel. So you’re now criticising me because I’m agreeing with the professional consensus? You didn’t even counter the points I’m making and instead attacked my post simply because I’m a rebuild advocate and you clearly aren’t. How about you add value to the discussion and do what nobody in the win-now camp has done and explain how wasting resources (trading picks or expiring contracts) equates to a good thing when there’s no way in hell we are even close to the top 3 in the east, our team would be heavily dependant on older injured players, and will only hurt out chances of having a successful rebuild.

The problem is that there will be no rebuild for at least 1 to 2 more years. Yet, people can only post about futile rebuild dreams. I suggest playing NBA2k because that is the closest you will get.

It's the same thing with the trades. All the dreamers who play the "May as well make trades to get better now" game are proposing trades like they absolutely can be made because the salaries match and in their own "why it makes sense to both teams" analysis they all make perfect sense. But the truth is nobody wants any of the Pistons players. There hasn't been diddly squat in the media about any trade talks whatsoever. It shouldn't be hard to figure out why.

I agree that, given Stepanski's statement that he wants to keep building around Blake, Dre, and Reggie, the rebuild process certainly isn't going to start now. But the "get better now via trades and contend" process won't either because the Pistons don't have any players anyone wants or needs, so they've got nothing to work with unless they use picks and expirings. No team is going to jump up and yell "You know what? Let's help the Pistons get better" without any trade being a total fleecing, and even the Pistons' dumb management is well aware that they can't trade away the entire future because Blake is, well, Blake. No matter how much sunshine all the "win now with trades" people want to blow up each others' asses and bitch about anyone who disagrees, it's just as futile a discussion because it just ain't happening.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single player get traded here without it coming out of left field with no indication.

Where have you read rumors of us trading for someone before we did it?

[Manocad]

Obviously player names are sometimes not thrown around but I doubt any trades in and of themselves were a surprise to anyone.

[greymond]

They're likely going to get Kemba for the max. Then they're gonna have to get veteran minimums left and right.

Kemba
KCP?
Lebron
Kuzma
AD

Best starting five in the West knowing Warriors are injured. They'll be fine. Can they use the MLE after they cap out? I'm not sure but I don't think so. If they can then it's gonna be easy to fill out the bench. They can use Biannual and probably trade exceptions. Maybe they can use trade exceptions to grab Galloway off our cap sheet.

Kuzma bench i heard. But if he starts thatd be epic. Vets will flock there to get a ring.

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