Future Free Agent Thread

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idea from babyjax13 from the TnT board:

We have TPE of 3.9M that we can use before June 30th. The problem is that the max we can absorb without waiving Neto in order to be able to absorb Conley is around 2M, which is exact number for Mo Wagner who the Lakers are reportedly trying to dump...

So our second for Wagner? What do you say?

In a second. I mentioned Wagner yesterday. He has the potential to be a really good stretch big off the bench and it is now mandatory to maximize every asset that we have. Hell I would take Bonga as well.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Possible shooting PFs on a minimum (or BAE if we have that) could be:
Jerebko
Jeff Green
Casspi
Dorian Finney Smith

Not sure what else there is in GL or Europe.

[Luigi]

Possible shooting PFs on a minimum (or BAE if we have that) could be:
Jerebko
Jeff Green
Casspi
Dorian Finney Smith

Not sure what else there is in GL or Europe.

Jerebko probably hates us
I'd like Jeff Green I think.
Casspi has the shot.

[KqWIN]

Niang is going to have to step it up...or maybe Quin just needs to trust him more. From an offensive standpoint, Niang is just what we need. Great set shooter with a little bit of ball handler and passing. Thought he should have gotten more of a shot than he did last year.

I'm not against using a minimum to bring back Thabo either. But we need some kind of fresh blood at the 4 spot. Jabari/Hezonja is a good dice roll IMO.

[Daddy 801]

I assume the Jazz will just bring back Favs, and I’m fine with that.

But I think they should still (and will) approach Tobias. Tobias would be walking into a team where he still could get a lot of touches and we play a style that would work for him. He said he wants a culture and a good coach/system. That fits what the Jazz are. And with Conley now on board I wonder if he would be more likely to sign.

Is it possible to sign and trade Tobias from Philly and send Favs, Exum, Bradley? Would that be even close to Tobias’ Max? I feel like it’s probably 6-7 million short.

[Charlie_S]

There are some experienced Euroleague players who could be pretty decent bench options, however it's hard to sign established players with minimum deals when they can get more money staying in Europe. For that kind of money you need to find the next Royce O'Neale or Maxi Kleber....

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Joakim Noah as a backup center anybody? If we lose Favors?

[SoCalJazzFan]

Joakim Noah as a backup center anybody? If we lose Favors?

JaVale McGee would also be someone to look at, although what would we be getting if we lost Favors? Someone like Mirotic could play back up center.

[AingesBurner]

I still think the S&T for Randall makes the most sense, he fits what Utah wants to do and it gives Favs a chance to start full time and earn a payday.

[Daddy 801]

I still think the S&T for Randall makes the most sense, he fits what Utah wants to do and it gives Favs a chance to start full time and earn a payday.

I’ve been on that train for a few weeks now. I love Randles numbers on offense. But I’ve read more than several threads that talk about how horrible he is at defense and it seems like an effort thing more than anything.

If that’s true, Rudy will kill him. I dunno if I’m as hyped. Dennis would have to be confident he can play passable defense, bust just wasn’t asked to do so on his other teams.

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I still think the S&T for Randall makes the most sense, he fits what Utah wants to do and it gives Favs a chance to start full time and earn a payday.

I’ve been on that train for a few weeks now. I love Randles numbers on offense. But I’ve read more than several threads that talk about how horrible he is at defense and it seems like an effort thing more than anything.

If that’s true, Rudy will kill him. I dunno if I’m as hyped. Dennis would have to be confident he can play passable defense, bust just wasn’t asked to do so on his other teams.

He was bad defensively last year for the Pelicans but his prior year with the lakers he was actually pretty good. He has quick feet and the strength to disrupt opposing bigs which is all you need to be a solid defender.

[Daddy 801]

I still think the S&T for Randall makes the most sense, he fits what Utah wants to do and it gives Favs a chance to start full time and earn a payday.

I’ve been on that train for a few weeks now. I love Randles numbers on offense. But I’ve read more than several threads that talk about how horrible he is at defense and it seems like an effort thing more than anything.

If that’s true, Rudy will kill him. I dunno if I’m as hyped. Dennis would have to be confident he can play passable defense, bust just wasn’t asked to do so on his other teams.

He was bad defensively last year for the Pelicans but his prior year with the lakers he was actually pretty good. He has quick feet and the strength to disrupt opposing bigs which is all you need to be a solid defender.

That’s good to know. I’d at least inquire and see what Randle is looking for in a contract.

If I’m the Jazz I’m still hesitant to move Favs if there was a friendly hand shake that we overpay him on his last deal, with the expectation he is going to sign a team friendly deal this time around.
That we will never know, but I have to think that was in play. We gave him a massive contract relative to what the market was demanding.

[dr0welf]

Dedmon S&T?

[Luigi]

So where do we stand?

Conley (32) / Exum (16) / Wright-Foreman
Mitchel (36) / O'Neale (12) / Vet Min
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16) / Oni
Favors (10) / Exception (24) / Niang (12) / Brantley
Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / Bradley

That's 14 players if all the picks make it onto the roster.

1. Some 4 is going to gett the room exception or a trade exception from us, and he'll get a lot of minutes at that salary. I wonder who it's going to be?
2. Can we find a shooter on the wing for the vet minimum? Or would you rather have another point guard?

We could try Mitchell as backup point guard instead (which might just be a formality, but it makes the Exum minutes make more sense to me).

Conley (32) / Mitchell (16) / Wright-Foreman
Mitchel (20) / Exum (16) / O'Neale (12) / Vet Min
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16) / Oni
Favors (12) / Niang (16) / Exception (24) / Brantley
Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / Bradley

[Daddy 801]

So where do we stand?

Conley (32) / Mitchell (16) / Wright-Foreman
Mitchel (20) / Exum (16) / O'Neale (12) / Vet Min
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16) / Oni
Favors (12) / Niang (16) / Exception (24) / Brantley
Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / Bradley

Conley 32, Mitchell 32, Ingles 28, Exum 20, Niang 12 Royce 30, Favs 28, Gobert 32.

That’s 214 of the 240 minutes we need to cover. We have the bulk covered. With some worries.

What we need in order of preference IMO is a small ball PF, wing, then ball handler (esp if we keep neto). Niang shoots very well so if he can play decent defense I’d be happy to see him get 12 or so mins a night.

I’d also wager money that Royce is our starting SF and Ingles gets to go back to sixth man and lead the second unit. He needs more off ball action to get his shooting numbers back up. Plus he is a little older and he plays so well with Favs that I think he will be out first substitution.

Start Conley, Donny, Royce, Favs and Gobert. Conley and Gobert will come out and Exum and Ingles will come in.

Then it will be Donny, Exum, Royce, Ingles, Favs.
Then the third substitution will be Donny, Royce, Favs checking in and Conley and Gobert coming back in.

This is the lineup that worries me...,Conley, Exum, Ingles, Niang, Gobert. We need insurance for Niang and Exum. They could be great, they could be injured, or in Niangs case not able to play solid enough defense.

A couple big wing players could really help in that third unit or in the case of an injury.

[KqWIN]

I think it's clear that we need to find reliable minutes at the 4 and on the guard line. Even if these players don't end up being in the playoff rotation, we'll need them to eat minutes during the regular season so we can get to playoffs healthy.

O'Neale is the only solid we have off the bench. Exum is contantly injured and Niang is not a sure thing even though I like him. Who do you guys have more faith in Exum or Niang?

My MLE targets are Ariza, Carroll, Chandler, and Satoransky. My MIN targets are Lin, Burks, Thabo, and Deng.

Sato might be my favorite MLE player, but I also think the guard options at MIN are better than the 4's. Chandler/Lin is what I had posted in the other thread. I wouldn't mind any combo of Ariza/Carroll/Chandler and Lin/Burks.

[Daddy 801]

I think it's clear that we need to find reliable minutes at the 4 and on the guard line. Even if these players don't end up being in the playoff rotation, we'll need them to eat minutes during the regular season so we can get to playoffs healthy.

O'Neale is the only solid we have off the bench. Exum is contantly injured and Niang is not a sure thing even though I like him. Who do you guys have more faith in Exum or Niang?

My MLE targets are Ariza, Carroll, Chandler, and Satoransky. My MIN targets are Lin, Burks, Thabo, and Deng.

Sato might be my favorite MLE player, but I also think the guard options at MIN are better than the 4's. Chandler/Lin is what I had posted in the other thread. I wouldn't mind any combo of Ariza/Carroll/Chandler and Lin/Burks.

At this point I trust Niang more. Sorta not even Exum’s fault. But it is what it do...

If Carroll and Burks are ok with coming back I wouldn’t mind them for depth. They have familiarity with the system. At least Burks does.

But as far as the best players listed above I would think Ariza and Thabo are the best. But at those low of numbers I wonder if they want to ride the LA train in hopes of a championship. Although we have just as good of a shot IMO. If one of LeBron or AD go down for any reason they could be screwed.

[KqWIN]

I think it's clear that we need to find reliable minutes at the 4 and on the guard line. Even if these players don't end up being in the playoff rotation, we'll need them to eat minutes during the regular season so we can get to playoffs healthy.

O'Neale is the only solid we have off the bench. Exum is contantly injured and Niang is not a sure thing even though I like him. Who do you guys have more faith in Exum or Niang?

My MLE targets are Ariza, Carroll, Chandler, and Satoransky. My MIN targets are Lin, Burks, Thabo, and Deng.

Sato might be my favorite MLE player, but I also think the guard options at MIN are better than the 4's. Chandler/Lin is what I had posted in the other thread. I wouldn't mind any combo of Ariza/Carroll/Chandler and Lin/Burks.

At this point I trust Niang more. Sorta not even Exum’s fault. But it is what it do...

If Carroll and Burks are ok with coming back I wouldn’t mind them for depth. They have familiarity with the system. At least Burks does.

But as far as the best players listed above I would think Ariza and Thabo are the best. But at those low of numbers I wonder if they want to ride the LA train in hopes of a championship. Although we have just as good of a shot IMO. If one of LeBron or AD go down for any reason they could be screwed.

I agree, Ariza is unlikely. He'll probably have offers for above the room MLE...but we can offer him playing time and no drama. Playing time should be pitched to every potential 4. They'll have 20+ MPG in the regular season and might be on the floor in a playoff series.

Carroll would be open to coming back IMO. He's spoken very highly of UTA since he's left, and he often credit's Quin for his development in ATL. I'm not sure about AB, but I honestly think he's just looking for a place on a roster at this point. He got benched for Corey Brewer in SAC...not a good look even though he played so-so basketball for CLE.

[Daddy 801]

I think it's clear that we need to find reliable minutes at the 4 and on the guard line. Even if these players don't end up being in the playoff rotation, we'll need them to eat minutes during the regular season so we can get to playoffs healthy.

O'Neale is the only solid we have off the bench. Exum is contantly injured and Niang is not a sure thing even though I like him. Who do you guys have more faith in Exum or Niang?

My MLE targets are Ariza, Carroll, Chandler, and Satoransky. My MIN targets are Lin, Burks, Thabo, and Deng.

Sato might be my favorite MLE player, but I also think the guard options at MIN are better than the 4's. Chandler/Lin is what I had posted in the other thread. I wouldn't mind any combo of Ariza/Carroll/Chandler and Lin/Burks.

At this point I trust Niang more. Sorta not even Exum’s fault. But it is what it do...

If Carroll and Burks are ok with coming back I wouldn’t mind them for depth. They have familiarity with the system. At least Burks does.

But as far as the best players listed above I would think Ariza and Thabo are the best. But at those low of numbers I wonder if they want to ride the LA train in hopes of a championship. Although we have just as good of a shot IMO. If one of LeBron or AD go down for any reason they could be screwed.

I agree, Ariza is unlikely. He'll probably have offers for above the room MLE...but we can offer him playing time and no drama. Playing time should be pitched to every potential 4. They'll have 20+ MPG in the regular season and might be on the floor in a playoff series.

Carroll would be open to coming back IMO. He's spoken very highly of UTA since he's left, and he often credit's Quin for his development in ATL. I'm not sure about AB, but I honestly think he's just looking for a place on a roster at this point. He got benched for Corey Brewer in SAC...not a good look even though he played so-so basketball for CLE.

From what I know, Carroll played decent the past few years. And I forgot the Atlanta connection. I’d be ok with his energy and hustle. He could play the “tough guy” now that Crowder is gone.

[dr0welf]

Jarebko was servicable, Tolliver would be decent, Gerald Green would be nice

Motley could be a serviceable backup.