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Post#1101 » by stitches » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:23 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:I'm sure the Jazz do, too. It's just a matter of getting a meeting with someone that wants to sign.


stitches wrote:Only for 25% max, not for the 30%


So help me out. What's the order of operations here? Trades into cap space, waiving non-guaranteeds (might be worth using as assets in the trades into cap space, unless we think they won't be claimed on waivers), signing free agents usin cap space, signing rmle and vet mins.

Here's a version with a bunch of filler names in for vet mins:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17239899485d10ff18e6510612909756

Also, I'm not sure which year I should be using to make the trades on the capulator.

1. Traded Dante Exum and Royce O'Neale for ___
2. Traded Derrick Favors, Raul Neto, Tony Bradley, and Georges Niang for ___
3. Renounced $ 22,462,500 2019-20 cap hold for Ricky Rubio
4. Renounced $ 6,825,000 2019-20 cap hold for Thabo Sefolosha
5. Renounced $ 4,368,000 2019-20 cap hold for Ekpe Udoh
6. Signed Tobias Harris to 4yrs/$ 123,968,006 contract starting in 2019-20 using Cap Space
7. Signed Mario Hezonja to 2yrs/$ 9,758,000 contract starting in 2019-20 using Room Mid-Level Exception
8. Signed Joakim Noah to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
9. Re-signed Thabo Sefolosha to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
10. Signed Jared Dudley to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Shelvin Mack to 1yrs/$ 1,618,486 contract starting in 2019-20 using 8-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Is there a better way than that?



I'm using Smitty's capsheets... here's what I have.
1st operation - waive Raul Neto
2nd operation - renounce Ricky, Thabo and Ekpe

I will be keeping Royce and Niang (FOR NOW) and not trading them for capspace, since his number is low enough that they are not worth waiving since you have to put placeholder vet min in their place anyways).

1 Bradley, Tony $1,962,360.00
2 Conley Jr., Mike $32,511,624.00
3 Exum, Dante $9,600,000.00
4 Favors, Derrick $17,650,000.00
5 Gobert, Rudy $25,008,427.00
6 Ingles, Joe $11,954,546.00
7 Mitchell, Donovan $3,635,760.00
8 Niang, Georges $1,645,357.00
9 O'Neale, Royce $1,618,520.00
10 Brantley, Jarrell $897,158.00
11 Wright-Foreman, Justin $897,158.00
12 Oni, Miye $897,158.00


Total $108,278,068.00

(I don't know if the 2nd rounders count toward the cap right now, but even if they didn't we would have to put vet mins as placeholders until we fill out the roster which are the same number)

Now you need to clear capspace for Harris...
3d operation: trade Exum and Bradley into someone else's capspace, without taking back any salary
4th operation: waive Favors


This results into this:

1 Conley Jr., Mike $32,511,624.00
2 Gobert, Rudy $25,008,427.00
3 Ingles, Joe $11,954,546.00
4 Mitchell, Donovan $3,635,760.00
5 Niang, Georges $1,645,357.00
6 O'Neale, Royce $1,618,520.00
7 Brantley, Jarrell $897,158.00
8 Wright-Foreman, Justin $897,158.00
9 Oni, Miye $897,158.00
10 vet min cap hold $897,158.00
11 vet min cap hold $897,158.00
12 vet min cap hold $897,158.00


Total $81,757,182.00
Salary cap $109,000,000.00

Available capspace $27,242,818.00

Even if you waive both Niang and Royce, you will only get about 1.5M more of capspace which is not enough to give Harris the max(his max starts at 32.7M). If we get rid off Niang and Royce for no incoming salaries... the absolute maximum capspace we can create is $28,712,379.00.

This would mean only having Conley, Gobert, Ingles and Mitchell under contract. (and the second rounders)
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1102 » by Luigi » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:32 pm

So we'd have to ask Harris to take a paycut, offer him player options, and emphasize the good situation.

I'm surprised to hear that the 76ers are going for a 5 year max on him. I wonder what that means for Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick.

If Harris seemed willing to take that paycut for a player option, I hope we have the trades into capspace all lined up, and notice sent to our vet minimum guys.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1103 » by stitches » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:42 pm

Luigi wrote:So we'd have to ask Harris to take a paycut, offer him player options, and emphasize the good situation.

I'm surprised to hear that the 76ers are going for a 5 year max on him. I wonder what that means for Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick.

If Harris seemed willing to take that paycut for a player option, I hope we have the trades into capspace all lined up, and notice sent to our vet minimum guys.

Yeah... IMO signing Harris as a FA is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen... unless... unless he can convince PHI to do a SnT for Favors+Exum+Braldey for example...
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1104 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:45 pm

stitches wrote:
Luigi wrote:So we'd have to ask Harris to take a paycut, offer him player options, and emphasize the good situation.

I'm surprised to hear that the 76ers are going for a 5 year max on him. I wonder what that means for Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick.

If Harris seemed willing to take that paycut for a player option, I hope we have the trades into capspace all lined up, and notice sent to our vet minimum guys.

Yeah... IMO signing Harris as a FA is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen... unless... unless he can convince PHI to do a SnT for Favors+Exum+Braldey for example...


We could offer D'lo the max and just run with three guards all year lol. We'd honestly probably win a ton in the RS.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1105 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:45 pm

stitches wrote:
Luigi wrote:So we'd have to ask Harris to take a paycut, offer him player options, and emphasize the good situation.

I'm surprised to hear that the 76ers are going for a 5 year max on him. I wonder what that means for Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick.

If Harris seemed willing to take that paycut for a player option, I hope we have the trades into capspace all lined up, and notice sent to our vet minimum guys.

Yeah... IMO signing Harris as a FA is a pipe dream. It's not going to happen... unless... unless he can convince PHI to do a SnT for Favors+Exum+Braldey for example...


Or if we do all that and are willing to also swap Joe for Tobias + bench player.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1106 » by Luigi » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:51 pm

Well, I'm satisfied now. We offer Harris a smaller contract with a team option, and tell him he has to twist the 6ers arm for a sign and trade if he wants more.

On to plan B:

How much of a difference is there between Demarre Carroll, Trevor Ariza, and Mario Hezonja?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1107 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:56 pm

I guess here is another question. Opening up over $27 million in cap + the room MLE we could have a really, really deep team. E.g.

[don't guarentee the second year on any of these so we have a max slot next offseason...overpay a bit]
JaMychal Green (2/$26)
Garrett Temple (2/$14)
Richaun Holmes (2/$14)

Room MLE (split):
Rodney McGruder
Anthony Toliver

MIN:
Georges Niang
Thabo Sefelosha
Raul Neto

Depth chart
Rudy Gobert/Richaun Holmes
JaMychal Green/Anthony Tolliver/Georges Niang
Joe Ingles/Royce O'neale
Donovan Mitchell/Garrett Temple/Rodney McGruder
Mike Conley/Donovan Mitchell/Raul Neto

The alternative would be doing basically the same thing but instead having Dante and Favors instead of the people signed with the cap.

Depth chart
Rudy Gobert/Derrick Favors
Derrick Favors/Anthony Tolliver/Georges Niang
Joe Ingles/Royce O'neale
Donovan Mitchell/Dante Exum/Rodney McGruder
Mike Conley/Donovan Mitchell/Raul Neto
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1108 » by Luigi » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm a big Favors fan. And management seemed to draw the line on waiving him at Harris level.

I'd move Exum for a new look, but we could probably move him for a lot more after he rehabs his value.

But those are interesting moves.
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Post#1109 » by stitches » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:04 pm

IMO Holmes is closer to min player than to 2/14...

Not sure about Temple either... :-?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1110 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:10 pm

stitches wrote:IMO Holmes is closer to min player than to 2/14...

Not sure about Temple either... :-?


I mean, fill that in with whoever you think are good fits. I think Temple would be nice for us but maybe he gets less. Holmes, I disagree with you on. Outside of Favors and Ibaka, I think Holmes and Vonleh are likely the best backup centers in the league. But, not sure how much that's worth. I like Holmes a lot, elite rim runner, decent defender, young, would be a great PnR threat to run with Ingles (which is what I was trying to find).
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1111 » by Calhamid94 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:19 pm

I think we could get better players than Holmes and Tolliver. I know we are very limited on money. But would you rather have a really good 7-8 player roster complete with a couple rookies and vet minimums. Or a really good 5-7 player roster, 2-3 solid role players and rounded out by a couple vets and 1-3 vets?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1112 » by stitches » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:21 pm

Here's a risky one... Josh Jackson is done in PHX reportedly... would you do Exum for Josh Jackson and Elie Okobo? Jackson has issues... would you take the risk on him?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1113 » by Calhamid94 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:28 pm

What about Exum and S&T Thabo for Jackson and Oubre? Oubre would be a really nice addition if Phoenix were to give him up!
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Post#1114 » by Luigi » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:30 pm

If it wasn't a win now year, I'd look into Jackson. But with Conley, we gotta make the deepest run we can this season, so I'm out.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1115 » by Inigo Montoya » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:34 pm

stitches wrote:Here's a risky one... Josh Jackson is done in PHX reportedly... would you do Exum for Josh Jackson and Elie Okobo? Jackson has issues... would you take the risk on him?

Why would the Suns give us two prospects for Exum?

Btw, he's accused of getting his infant daughter high on marijuana.

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Post#1116 » by KqWIN » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:35 pm

stitches wrote:Here's a risky one... Josh Jackson is done in PHX reportedly... would you do Exum for Josh Jackson and Elie Okobo? Jackson has issues... would you take the risk on him?


Absolutely not. One of the worst players in the league, I don't see potential, and the last thing I read about his off court issues is that he allegedly got his baby on marijuana (seriously). He didn't deny it.

Josh Jackson is nothing but a summer league player. He shoots the ball every time he touches and plays fake good defense by running around like crazy and acting tough. The 1/10 times those shots go in he looks amazing. Otherwise he just looks like an idiot.
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Post#1117 » by stitches » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:41 pm

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stitches wrote:Here's a risky one... Josh Jackson is done in PHX reportedly... would you do Exum for Josh Jackson and Elie Okobo? Jackson has issues... would you take the risk on him?


Absolutely not. One of the worst players in the league, I don't see potential, and the last thing I read about his off court issues is that he allegedly got his baby on marijuana (seriously). He didn't deny it.

Josh Jackson is nothing but a summer league player. He shoots the ball every time he touches and plays fake good defense by running around like crazy and acting tough. The 1/10 times those shots go in he looks amazing. Otherwise he just looks like an idiot.

Yep... read that... if it wasn't serious it would be kind of funny. He got his 5 month old baby high by smoking around her.. allegedly.

To be fair... I kind of tried to sneak Okobo onto our roster through this trade... :oops: Jackson was more of a secondary piece to me :P
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#1118 » by Calhamid94 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:14 pm

We should trade Exum and try to sign Elfrid Payton. He’d be a perfect backup pg!
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Post#1119 » by KDBG » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:51 pm

The reason why I think there were reports that Harris is interested in signing here, is cause of this. I don't think money is the most important factor. He's been interested to come here for at least a year it seems with rumors dating back to that time. But, the reason why the reports said it was a long shot cause of money reasons, was just stating the obvious. But I think most local media members, besides David Locke, don't know the exact inner workings of the franchise. Teams talk, players talk, and know exactly what's going on. I still don't think it's 100%, but I think the chances of us getting him are way higher than people think. Just trying to read between the lines here.

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Post#1120 » by AingesBurner » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:55 pm

KDBG wrote:The reason why I think there were reports that Harris is interested in signing here, is cause of this. I don't think money is the most important factor. He's been interested to come here for at least a year it seems with rumors dating back to that time. But, the reason why the reports said it was a long shot cause of money reasons, was just stating the obvious. But I think most local media members, besides David Locke, don't know the exact inner workings of the franchise. Teams talk, players talk, and know exactly what's going on. I still don't think it's 100%, but I think the chances of us getting him are way higher than people think. Just trying to read between the lines here.

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