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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#221 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:36 pm

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Macwolf527 wrote:As much as I would love Russell on this team because of fit, I don't consider the the off-season a failure without him.

This is where I'm at too.

We need a PG before we can judge the current core's ceiling, if we depend on the draft there's no guarantee he'll pan out and even if he does we won't be seriously contending his rookie year. He might be ready by year 3 but then Roco is off the books and when TF has MN had a free agent seriously interested of D-Lo's age & caliber.

Who said anything about depending on the draft? Can still explore free agency and trades as options, but I'm just not tied to Russell as the only option, especially considering the potential cost.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#222 » by wesleyt95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:49 pm

All I know is that if we sign D-Lo I couldn't care less about the Jimmy Butler situation and as crazy as it sounds we'd be better than if we had Markannan and Lavine
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#223 » by wesleyt95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:52 pm

Can I at least get an agreement that D-Lo, Culver & Roco > Dunn, LaVine & Markannan?
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#224 » by wesleyt95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm

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Klomp wrote:This is where I'm at too.

We need a PG before we can judge the current core's ceiling, if we depend on the draft there's no guarantee he'll pan out and even if he does we won't be seriously contending his rookie year. He might be ready by year 3 but then Roco is off the books and when TF has MN had a free agent seriously interested of D-Lo's age & caliber.

Who said anything about depending on the draft? Can still explore free agency and trades as options, but I'm just not tied to Russell as the only option, especially considering the potential cost.

Then tell me what other FA PG of a higher caliber would come here in the next 2 years?
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#225 » by stra0448 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:17 pm

We don’t need a star PG.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#226 » by shrink » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:31 pm

wesleyt95 wrote:Then tell me what other FA PG of a higher caliber would come here in the next 2 years?

Our most likely road to a star PG is not through free agency, it is through trade. We’re not a destination, and we won’t have cap space for two years. The trade markets are very hard to predict, even for stars. Would you have thought Porzingas would be a Mav? Kawhi a Raptor? Over the last couple months, there were reasonable scenarios where we would end up with Mike Conley and Ball, and we don’t even have good trade assets. And the 2020 Draft has some very good PG prospects.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#227 » by trevor0333 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 pm

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stra0448 wrote:I think trading for Russell is a terrible idea. The people that are clamoring for him were the same people that were excited to sign Teague. Why is there pressure on the team to make a move that will cement the roster in place for years? We’re lucky Butler demanded a trade or we’d be locked in to a good but not great team. Thibs brought in Butler and pushed Wiggins aside, now stupid fans blame Wiggins for the team not making the playoffs. Who was the only Wolf that did anything vs HOU in the playoffs? WIGGINS.

Actually most Rubio fans, including me hated Teague contract from the day one. Once I saw him refusing to shoot open 3s and executing simple entry passes my hate grew exponentially.

stra0448 wrote:Leave the roster alone. Towns/Covington/Wiggins/Culver is an outstanding 2-5. We don’t need a chucker at PG. Much better to have a defender/facilitator like Rondo/Beverly. Or Rubio. Now I’m dreaming.

Much more disciplined and defensive minded UTA could not make offense work with Rubio and a talented shot creator in Mitchell. I wonder how much we can achieve with Rubio/Rondo/Beverly shooting wide open bricks and RoCo, Okogie, Wiggins using only straight line drives and 1-2 dribbling. I'm Rubio fan, just for a second.

stra0448 wrote:Now fans want to pull out all the stops and turn the team over to Russell. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, but he’s not nearly as good as Wiggins in crunch-time offense. Wiggins has an elite first step and a huge spin move that gets a close shot or FTs. Russell has a Terrell Brandon jumper that will win some regular season games but get shut down in the playoffs.


That was funny.


We also saw what Thibs offense was without Rubio's passing and management. :banghead: :noway: :oops:

I was indifferent to Teague, close to equal player as Rubio who should have fit what Thibs wanted more than Rubio. I wasn't convinced Teague was 6-7 mill better than Rubio but I understood the fit.

Especially since the trade was basically Rubio & losing 6 mill in cap sapce for Teague & Okogie.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#228 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:33 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:Unless he becomes a knock down shooter, then he's Evan Turner and not all that valuable.

That's quite a disparity. I'd guess you'd consider him a knockdown shooter if he's over like 38%, while Turner is a sub-30% shooter in his career. So there's no chance for an in-between? Either he's a knockdown shooter or he'll be below 30%?

I'd also argue that what makes Turner "not all that valuable" is his contract. Culver will start his career on a rookie-scale contract, last I checked.


I'm just saying you're not going to run your offense through a guy with Evan Turner's skill level. That's just not a recipe for success. Off the bench? OK, maybe I can get on board with that. And hopefully Culver is better than that, I'm not saying he won't be, but I'm also not hanging my hat on him panning out to be everything we hope he can be. I've seen enough Wolves draft busts to know better than that. :noway:

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Christian Laettner
Kevin Love
Donyell Marshall
Wes Johnson
J.R. Rider
Kevin Garnett
Stephon Marbury
Ricky Rubio
Kris Dunn
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#229 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:35 pm

stra0448 wrote:We don’t need a star PG.


We need a star perimeter player, be it a point guard or a wing, that we can run the offense through.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#230 » by stra0448 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:39 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
stra0448 wrote:We don’t need a star PG.


We need a star perimeter player, be it a point guard or a wing, that we can run the offense through.

Wiggins and maybe Culver
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#231 » by theGreatRC » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:07 pm

wesleyt95 wrote:Can I at least get an agreement that D-Lo, Culver & Roco > Dunn, LaVine & Markannan?


100%

DLO = Zach
Culver >>> Dunn
Cov < Lauri

Jury is still out in Culver cause its not fair to him, but im willing to get he is more productive than Dunn ever has been
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#232 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:12 pm

stra0448 wrote:I think trading for Russell is a terrible idea. The people that are clamoring for him are the same people that were so excited to sign Teague. Why is there pressure on the team to make a move that will cement the roster in place for years? We’re lucky Butler demanded a trade or we’d be locked in to a good but not great team. Thibs brought in Butler and pushed Wiggins aside, now stupid fans blame Wiggins for the team not making the playoffs. Who was the only Wolf that did anything vs HOU in the playoffs? WIGGINS. Now fans want to pull out all the stops and turn the team over to Russell. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, but he’s not nearly as good as Wiggins in crunch-time offense. Wiggins has an elite first step and a huge spin move that gets a close shot or FTs. Russell has a Terrell Brandon jumper that will win some regular season games but get shut down in the playoffs.

Leave the roster alone. Towns/Covington/Wiggins/Culver is an outstanding 2-5. We don’t need a chucker at PG. Much better to have a defender/facilitator like Rondo/Beverly. Or Rubio. Now I’m dreaming.



Wiggins was "good" for Wiggins standard games 1-2 because everyone else played like dung. Games 3&4 at home he was shockingly non existant and game 5 he was a ghost.


Dont sing his praise too much. He still sucks.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#233 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:43 pm

theGreatRC wrote:
wesleyt95 wrote:Can I at least get an agreement that D-Lo, Culver & Roco > Dunn, LaVine & Markannan?


100%

DLO = Zach
Culver >>> Dunn
Cov < Lauri

Jury is still out in Culver cause its not fair to him, but im willing to get he is more productive than Dunn ever has been

I'm not a Markannen fan. He's IMO not even in RoCo's class.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#234 » by stra0448 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:43 am

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Wiggins was "good" for Wiggins standard games 1-2 because everyone else played like dung. Games 3&4 at home he was shockingly non existant and game 5 he was a ghost.


Dont sing his praise too much. He still sucks.
Hate while you still can. This off-season will be the last opportunity for Wolves fans to hate Wiggins without looking like complete fools. Yes, he signed a huge extension last year. No, he didn't play at an All-NBA level.

Remember, last year was a disastrous THIBS YEAR. Thibs traded away best-buddy Zach and assist-machine Rubio for a guy who was going to take away all his crunch time looks. Wiggins played way better after Saunders took the reigns. Thibs had him watching Butler and Teague chuck.

Sam Mitchell was an awful coach, but he was getting a lot out of Wiggins. He had Wiggins isolating at the end of games and we were closing out road victories on the strength of Wiggins' drives. I hated it at the time because it took the ball out of Rubio's hands, but I had to admit Wiggins was looking unstoppable attacking the basket.

The talent is already on the team. We don't need D'Angelo Russell to take it over. Any competent PG who can get the ball to Towns is good enough. Wiggins and Culver will be our perimeter playmakers.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#235 » by stra0448 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:46 am

theGreatRC wrote:DLO = Zach
:noway: :nonono: :oops: :cry: :sad: :sour: :angry: :no:
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#236 » by Neeva » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:01 am

Dlo is better than zach right? i mean zach is not even a fringe all star in east like dlo
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#237 » by Nick K » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:08 am

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wesleyt95 wrote:I have imagination but I'm also realistic, we already saw D-Lo come into fruition in real life; not in my head. I pray Okogie reached his absolute full potential but I'm no fool.

Yeah if parting with Okogie was the final piece to the puzzle of attaining Russell I would do it too assuming we are OK with paying Russell big bucks. Still I can see Okogie being good some day.


Okogie WILL be good. At worst, he will be a quality NBA defender, but as a rookie, we've seen him make GREAT passes, amazing finishes at the rim & always brought energy when he was in.

Yes, his shooting was ass & his handle is shaky, those are two things you can grind hours in inside a gym. You can't teach the motor, the relentlessness on defense & the intensity he plays with and Josh has all of that. His O game just needs a lot of work and he just needs better understanding of when to choose his spots on defense because sometimes he got a little too aggressive which ended badly


I liked Okogie and wanted to draft him. He looks like Cory Brewer to me. All energy, and defense, no shot.

I do have some hope he can improve his shooting. Not much, but some.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#238 » by Calinks » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:12 am

Okogies shooting mechanics look good to me though. Brewer never had that potential. Not saying Okogie will be a sharp shooter but I think he can definitely turn into a reliable shooter, particularly when open. If he can be the new Trenton Hassel, that's money.
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Post#239 » by GopherIt! » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:19 am

Rosas turning Saric (along w #11) into Culver eases the pain of both trades imo.

Culver/RoCo/2018 playoffs w Butler is a nice turnaround from

Zach/Dunn/Lauri/#11 2019


Thibs big miss was not drafting Murray, but iis was it is.
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Post#240 » by younggunsmn » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:32 am

Not a fan of backing up the brinks truck for Russell, as far fetched as it would be to make it happen.
His 3 point shot is wet, and there are times he can get incredibly hot from deep.
Other than that, I don't see anything above average from him, and there have been character/dedication question marks.
If someone give him 25 mil+ a year, that's going to be a bad contract before christmas.

Our lack of playmaking in the backcourt was painfully obvious last year.
Okogie looked bad when he tried to do too much and Wiggins looked bad when he tried to do just about anything at all.
Teague and Tyus were nearly as bad as Rubio when it came to finishing or being a threat to stretch the floor.

Rosas is an outside the box thinker. the inside the box thing to do is fill your weakness by bringing in a known quantity from outside the organization, which always costs a premium.

The outside the box thinker will try to hit a homerun by developing a lesser valued asset. By changing the scheme to exploit your strengths and cover your weakness.
I think we are going to see a much different offense next year, and KAT will be the focus. More Jokic style action, dribble handoffs, baseline pick and cutting action with KAT at the high post. Culver fits that pretty well.

I really liked the tape of Jaylin Nowell that I've watched, especially his jumper, he has a great stroke and perfect mechanics.
He also has an NBA body, handle, and athleticism. I think we are going to try to turn him into a scoring PG.
I could see him getting backup PG minutes next year.

If we are going to turn things around, it isn't going to be by mortgaging the future for a known quantity.
It is going to be by finding diamonds in the rough and turning them into positive players on the court.
Draymond green, key piece on multiple title team, 2nd round pick.
Ginobli, Parker, Butler, Marc Gasol, Siakam, on and on. Guys who werent valued coming into the league.

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