Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP

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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#121 » by Leslie Forman » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:10 pm

warriorschamps wrote:I do think the voters got it right though. I would of picked Giannis as well even though I don't think he is the best player. Harden literally stat'd chased the whole season and openly campaigned for the award again. He didn't make his teammates better. He made Chris Paul look like a role player. Essentially Harden played a style that made everybody else on the team like worse than they are. Most importantly he played a style that won't win the Rockets a championship. That doesn't exactly scream MVP does it?

Well no, because everything you're saying is wrong.

This "style that won't win" made a team with clearly inferior talent come far closer to beating a full-strength Warriors team than anybody else ever has. If you think a guy like Giannis who you can basically just pack the paint against is somehow going to make that Houston team better in Harden's place you just aren't paying attention to playoff basketball.

I think the Raptors are a great team, even historically among title winners, and they would have been absolutely merked by a full strength Warriors team, like absolutely every other team that doesn't have James Harden has been.
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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#122 » by floppymoose » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:44 pm

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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#123 » by will » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:07 pm

Congratulations Giannis on your MVP!

Can't wait to see you tear it up at the Taste of the Danforth in 2021 as the newest Toronto Raptor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#124 » by Ballerhogger » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:06 pm

he was deserving i had harden but i understand why he won, great team record etc. good fore him,. Its too bad it was announced way after season is over.
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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#125 » by socal74 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:16 pm

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warriorschamps wrote:I do think the voters got it right though. I would of picked Giannis as well even though I don't think he is the best player. Harden literally stat'd chased the whole season and openly campaigned for the award again. He didn't make his teammates better. He made Chris Paul look like a role player. Essentially Harden played a style that made everybody else on the team like worse than they are. Most importantly he played a style that won't win the Rockets a championship. That doesn't exactly scream MVP does it?

Well no, because everything you're saying is wrong.

This "style that won't win" made a team with clearly inferior talent come far closer to beating a full-strength Warriors team than anybody else ever has. If you think a guy like Giannis who you can basically just pack the paint against is somehow going to make that Houston team better in Harden's place you just aren't paying attention to playoff basketball.

I think the Raptors are a great team, even historically among title winners, and they would have been absolutely merked by a full strength Warriors team, like absolutely every other team that doesn't have James Harden has been.

You realize that the full strength rockets lost to a depleted warriors team in less games this year right? LOL. Why do people keep bringing up **** from two years ago? They had e no excuse this year. That rockets team is nowhere close to the wRriors
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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#126 » by John Murdoch » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:30 am

Hogified05 wrote:Man. So happy for Giannis. I was on the boat from the jump. I remember watching that video with Givony when it first came out 6 years ago before the draft when he went to Europe to interview him. Followed him on Twitter when he got drafted and had the smoothie tweet. I said, if anyone let's this dude have the ball at PG, the league is in trouble. It's just nice to see someone truly grateful for the opportunity. He doesn't feel entitled/jaded by all this like most of the top players today getting non stop attention from 9th grade now. He truly come from the bottom. Good for Giannis.

As far as Harden. I respect how good he is but I hate his game. Although Houston needed him to this year his stay padding is gross to me. He seems like type of dude who wouldn't like winning if his stats weren't good. I always think about how many fight he would start with that flailing BS at the park lol. Without refs half his moves aren't legit basketball moves.

Anyways it comes down to this for me. The Bucks had no business being the best team in the league all year. You take Giannis off that team they might be a playoff team maybe? Don't think Middleton is an all-star. He elevated that team to the best record in the NBA. Harden elevates the Rockets but not to the same degree this year my opinion. Plus Giannis did it the whole year, Harden started off bad.

Just a shame Kawhi took so much time off during the regular season. Could have made it a 3 horse race, obviously he ended up MVP if it was done after the playoffs. Don't think he will ever win mvp though because he dont care about the regular season.



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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#127 » by TONY_YAYO » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:22 am

Thought Harden won it but not mad at Greek getting it. He was great all season

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Post#128 » by GYK » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:10 pm

Not mad. I see the international theme the were going for with the awards. But Harden was better.
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Post#129 » by Son Goku 25 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:55 pm

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Post#130 » by jonjames » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:25 pm

If the Rockets had won at least 58 games this year then Harden would've won MVP for sure. But the fact of the matter is Houston had a worse record than DENVER out of all teams. There's no way he was winning it over Giannis who led the Bucks to their first 60 win season for who knows how long and while putting up 27/12/6. Well deserved for Giannis.

If you want to win MVP then WIN A LOT OF GAMES in the regular season. It's the only reason why Shaq has just one MVP.
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Post#131 » by SearsTower » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:56 am



I hate how the dumb NBA awards show eliminates scenes like this one ^^^ where the player accepts the award in front of their home crowd during the first round. It's a damn shame.
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Post#132 » by My2CentsR » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:11 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:Eh this really should have been done after the regular season. It's probably deserved for Giannis, but at the same time it's hard to take it seriously now after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs as not quite at the level of the very. very best, at least for now.


Agree. It's starting to get awkward to see guys who have been great all year get an MVP after they couldn't will their team to a finals win. On the flip side, seeing players win a playoff MVP when they didn't play the primary role in getting their team to finals is odd too.

I'd like to see an MVP awarded right after the regular season is done. Then you can tack on a finals MVP for fun.
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Post#133 » by Joey Wheeler » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:20 am

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Joey Wheeler wrote:Eh this really should have been done after the regular season. It's probably deserved for Giannis, but at the same time it's hard to take it seriously now after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs as not quite at the level of the very. very best, at least for now.


Agree. It's starting to get awkward to see guys who have been great all year get an MVP after they couldn't will their team to a finals win. On the flip side, seeing players win a playoff MVP when they didn't play the primary role in getting their team to finals is odd too.

I'd like to see an MVP awarded right after the regular season is done. Then you can tack on a finals MVP for fun.


The problem isn't that Giannis couldn't win the championship, it's that he got completely exposed on an individual player as not really close to the most valuable in the league.

Giving it after the playoffs can create situations like this; I mean, imagine Curry receiving the MVP after what happened in the 2016 playoffs, it'd have looked like a bit of a joke; since he received it after his great RS by the time the playoffs were over the RS MVP was not really a narrative on anyone's mind so no one really cared.
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Post#134 » by My2CentsR » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:27 am

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Joey Wheeler wrote:Eh this really should have been done after the regular season. It's probably deserved for Giannis, but at the same time it's hard to take it seriously now after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs as not quite at the level of the very. very best, at least for now.


Agree. It's starting to get awkward to see guys who have been great all year get an MVP after they couldn't will their team to a finals win. On the flip side, seeing players win a playoff MVP when they didn't play the primary role in getting their team to finals is odd too.

I'd like to see an MVP awarded right after the regular season is done. Then you can tack on a finals MVP for fun.


The problem isn't that Giannis couldn't win the championship, it's that he got completely exposed on an individual player as not really close to the most valuable in the league.

Giving it after the playoffs can create situations like this; I mean, imagine Curry receiving the MVP after what happened in the 2016 playoffs, it'd have looked like a bit of a joke; since he received it after his great RS by the time the playoffs were over the RS MVP was not really a narrative on anyone's mind so no one really cared.


I'd say that the one-on-one exposure was caused by a great finals adjustment by the Raptors staff and the inability of Bucks coaching to counterpunch rather than a reflection of Giannis being unable to play with the big boys. That being said we can't know for sure until we see if Giannis can figure out how to adapt when he has a year rather than 4 games to do it. If he's older and it doesn't help, more blame goes to him.

Harden doesn't get benefit of the doubt b/c context comes into play. If Harden hasn't adjusted after all these seasons, he's less deserving of an MVP than he was in years past. The lack of experience probably gives Giannis some edge in voting -- that and his team went further with fewer high caliber players than Rockets.
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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#135 » by My2CentsR » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:42 am

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My2CentsR wrote:
Agree. It's starting to get awkward to see guys who have been great all year get an MVP after they couldn't will their team to a finals win. On the flip side, seeing players win a playoff MVP when they didn't play the primary role in getting their team to finals is odd too.

I'd like to see an MVP awarded right after the regular season is done. Then you can tack on a finals MVP for fun.


The problem isn't that Giannis couldn't win the championship, it's that he got completely exposed on an individual player as not really close to the most valuable in the league.

Giving it after the playoffs can create situations like this; I mean, imagine Curry receiving the MVP after what happened in the 2016 playoffs, it'd have looked like a bit of a joke; since he received it after his great RS by the time the playoffs were over the RS MVP was not really a narrative on anyone's mind so no one really cared.


I'd say that the one-on-one exposure was caused by a great finals adjustment by the Raptors staff and the inability of Bucks coaching to counterpunch rather than a reflection of Giannis being unable to play with the big boys. That being said we can't know for sure until we see if Giannis can figure out how to adapt when he has a year rather than 4 games to do it. If he's older and it doesn't help, more blame goes to him.

Harden doesn't get benefit of the doubt b/c context comes into play. If Harden hasn't adjusted after all these seasons, he's less deserving of an MVP than he was in years past. The lack of experience probably gives Giannis some edge in voting -- that and his team went further with fewer high caliber players than Rockets.

When an entire narrative goes into play, results get cloudy.
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Re: Giannis Named 2019 NBA MVP 

Post#136 » by freethedevil » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:42 am

Leslie Forman wrote:
warriorschamps wrote:

I think the Raptors are a great team, even historically among title winners, and they would have been absolutely merked by a full strength Warriors team, like absolutely every other team that doesn't have James Harden has been.

:lol:

The warriors are have been 3 points better in the last 3 postseasons when kd is with them. the raptors outscored the warriors by 5 ppg

This assumption the warriors would have "merked them" at full strength is hilariously baseless. What have the warriors done this season that makes you think they'd "murk" their finals opponent?
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Post#137 » by twozeroMM » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:49 pm

MVP and now his own NIKE sneaker, amazing!
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Post#138 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:29 pm

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Post#139 » by crkone » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:40 pm

The brothers' shoes are PEs. You're never going to see them.

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Post#140 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:19 pm

crkone wrote:The brothers' shoes are PEs. You're never going to see them.


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