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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#301 » by Krapinsky » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:35 pm

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old school 34 wrote:So hypothetically speaking....let's say it's a S&T....with Teague only.....while we couldn't max him....we still might be able to get him more than anyone else? I know there's a bunch of FA dollars out there, but are we certain that he'll get a max offer &/or are we at least close enough that he's willing to take that little bit less to be with KAT?


If it was Teague alone, Russell’s first year could be $23.85. I suspect a team like the Suns would cut a bit more cap space and offer him the full $27.25 max.



Throw in KDB and his first year could be $25.5M. That gets us pretty darn close and perhaps close enough to warrant him choosing us over teams less further along in the rebuilding process (i.e. Suns).
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#302 » by Krapinsky » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:46 pm

A 4 year max for Russell is $117M/4 years.

Here are some guys that may get maxed that I could see having worse contracts than Russell a year from now:

Kemba Walker -- can be offered $221M/5 or $141M/4 from another tea
Tobias Harris -- can be offered $190M/5 or $141M/4 from another team
Kris MIddleton -- can be offered $190M/5 or $141M/4 from another team
Jimmy Butler -- can be offered $190M/5 or $141M/4 from another team
Nik Vucevic -- can be offered $190M/5 or $141M/4 from another team
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#303 » by shrink » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:28 pm

I felt a little relief that Rosas pathway to Russell was with Wiggins.

It wasn’t just that I don’t like Russell, and including Wiggins makes an unlikely acquisition even less probable. It wasn’t even about the young assets we’d need to give up, even though MIN needs development at multiple positions.

The relief I felt was that in this situation, if Russell returns to his normal production of his first three years, he becomes one of the top 15 worst contracts in the NBA on a 4-5 year max deal. We know with Wiggins about the damage having even one bad max contract like this can do to a team. Two bad max contracts, locking out $60 mil a year for four years, would be a franchise killer.

I’m not trying to hurt your enthusiasm here. If we end up with him, I’ll cheer for him and hope I’m wrong. But I want everyone to consider the size of the consequences if it goes bad. We’d be in cap hell for another 4 years.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#304 » by SO_MONEY » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:04 pm

shrink wrote:I felt a little relief that Rosas pathway to Russell was with Wiggins.

It wasn’t just that I don’t like Russell, and including Wiggins makes an unlikely acquisition even less probable. It wasn’t even about the young assets we’d need to give up, even though MIN needs development at multiple positions.

The relief I felt was that in this situation, if Russell returns to his normal production of his first three years, he becomes one of the top 15 worst contracts in the NBA on a 4-5 year max deal. We know with Wiggins about the damage having even one bad max contract like this can do to a team. Two bad max contracts, locking out $60 mil a year for four years, would be a franchise killer.

I’m not trying to hurt your enthusiasm here. If we end up with him, I’ll cheer for him and hope I’m wrong. But I want everyone to consider the size of the consequences if it goes bad. We’d be in cap hell for another 4 years.
Who says Rosas' pathway to Russell is with Wiggins, or more specifically that is the only pathway he sees?

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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#305 » by shrink » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:08 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:Who says Rosas' pathway to Russell is with Wiggins, or more specifically that is the only pathway he sees?

Per @DWolfsonKSTP, the Wolves tried to engage the Brooklyn Nets on a sign-and-trade of D'Angelo Russell for Andrew Wiggins.

Who knows if Rosas projects other pathways? I said Wiggins in the deal makes me feel relieved because of the longterm financial hit if we had both max contracts here for the next four years.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#306 » by Killboard » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:15 pm

shrink wrote:I felt a little relief that Rosas pathway to Russell was with Wiggins.

It wasn’t just that I don’t like Russell, and including Wiggins makes an unlikely acquisition even less probable. It wasn’t even about the young assets we’d need to give up, even though MIN needs development at multiple positions.

The relief I felt was that in this situation, if Russell returns to his normal production of his first three years, he becomes one of the top 15 worst contracts in the NBA on a 4-5 year max deal. We know with Wiggins about the damage having even one bad max contract like this can do to a team. Two bad max contracts, locking out $60 mil a year for four years, would be a franchise killer.

I’m not trying to hurt your enthusiasm here. If we end up with him, I’ll cheer for him and hope I’m wrong. But I want everyone to consider the size of the consequences if it goes bad. We’d be in cap hell for another 4 years.


I respect your opinion Shrink, you know Im on board for getting Dlo from the first rumors I heard, and I certainly think the topic is worth discussion. Time will tell both, if is a good signing and if actually happens. However, I dont think we must consider Wiggins deal to sign or not Dlo.

First, Wiggins never had a season as good as Dlo had the last year. We paid Wiggins not for the "good year he had", but because "he would work hard to improve". When a NBA player has a very good year as a 23 YO, and specially a PG with 30 USG%, its likely it wasnt a fluke but a leap. Risks are always there, injuries, off the court issues, etc, but a player prime, specially one that bases his game on skill and not phyisical exuberance, is around 27 years old. Even if he isnt worth a max, IMO it will be a slight overpay. If you certainly think that Teague is worthy of a 19M contract, dont you think that Dlo value moving forward is close or above to that number?

Second, Stay pat doing nothing is also a risk. If we have a real chance to get DLo for some protected 1sts and 2nds and choose to stay pat instead, go into the season and miss the playoffs, pick a guard next season who isnt a generational talent, takes 2 or 3 seasons to develop, we could be waiving good bye to KAT for then. How we are going to get out of cap hell without trading talent or future assets?

As for the rumored proposed trade for Wiggins that Doogie Wolfson said... I like Doogie, he has been a beat reporter for long time and an informed opinion, but I dont really trust on him having insight to the actual decision makers. Rosas is new in town, as is the whole FO, and reportedly tight lipped. I actually think, that if we get Dlo, the next move is convice Taylor Wiggins time has passed up and he could be more willing to do so with another high caliber young player in the roster.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#307 » by Calinks » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:16 pm

If Wiggins was the the piece Rosas was trying to move for Russell, I am all in on that deal lol. Don't see it happening but yea, my big fear is Russell could be a bad max contract. I would 1 thousand percent prefer to have him maxed out over Wiggins though.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#308 » by Macwolf527 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:56 pm

Calinks wrote:If Wiggins was the the piece Rosas was trying to move for Russell, I am all in on that deal lol. Don't see it happening but yea, my big fear is Russell could be a bad max contract. I would 1 thousand percent prefer to have him maxed out over Wiggins though.


I still believe there’s a 3rd team involved to take on Wiggin’s contract. It’s not uncommon for sources to get parts of the deal and run with the story, especially if the source is a 3rd party not privy to the inner workings, like an agent or team support personnel. At the end of the day, drafting Culver had a Wiggins exit written all over it. I think the “pathway” to signing DLo is there, and my money is on a Wiggins move. The question is, does DLo want to be here? That has to be addressed first or the rest is irrelevant.

As far as bad contracts go, I’ll take Russell’s PER of 19.48 over Wiggins 12.42 any day. I’ll trade that bad contract for bad contract. Plus a Russell sign and trade, puts him and Towns on the same timeline.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#309 » by wildvikeswolves » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm

If Rosas found a way to trade Wiggins without having to attach value to him or take bad contracts back I’ll build him a statue right now
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#310 » by Slim Tubby » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:28 am

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Slim Tubby wrote:I certainly won’t be upset if we somehow magically land Russell but I’ve come to a personal conclusion that I don’t want to sacrifice Culver, Okogie, Covington or future FRP’s for DeAngelo on a Max contract.

You wouldn't give up Okogie for him? I can see the other 2 for sure...but I'd probably drive Josh to the airport free of charge to get DLO..especially if he was dealt with wiggins


If adding Okogie with Wiggins was enough to get Russell. I would do that 100% of the time.


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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#311 » by Neeva » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:17 am

Russell is becoming way too overrated after one decent season.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#313 » by Rookie-Mistake » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:08 am

Neeva wrote:Russell is becoming way too overrated after one decent season.

I think so as well. I would almost prefer Dinwiddie to DLO for half the money
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Post#314 » by minimus » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:27 pm



Way beyond the arc!
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Post#315 » by Nick K » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:58 pm

minimus wrote:

Way beyond the arc!


Sign him up!!
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Post#316 » by Nick K » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:00 pm

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minimus wrote:

Way beyond the arc!


Sign him up!! Who cares what he costs. :lol:
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Post#317 » by Dewey » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:01 pm

Neeva wrote:Russell is becoming way too overrated after one decent season.

ya and you risk giving up assets and pay a near max deal in the process for a potential 1 hit wonder... as I've said before, I would go with it BUT it could take us from ugly to uglier if he doesn't perform.

I would prefer to focus on what we have vs what we don't have.... There's very little chance we will be in on anything significant when it comes to trades unless the FO is driven to move Wiggins - then so be it. I think we will get a deal for Tyus and keep Teague until the trade deadline and evaluate the positional needs. Rose gone. Diengs deal may not look too bad comparatively to other PF/C's ... the way teams are talking about big$$ for guys like WCS, Randall, Horford, etc. he seems almost on par.
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Post#318 » by minimus » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:04 pm

Nick K wrote:
minimus wrote:

Way beyond the arc!


Sign him up!! Who cares what he costs. :lol:


Honestly I'm impressed how he is able to hit deep 3s after stepback. I'm not kidding.
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Post#319 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:23 pm

minimus wrote:

Way beyond the arc!

if you can guarantee that video was not edited than I'm all in on Russell.
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Post#320 » by minimus » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:26 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:

Way beyond the arc!

if you can guarantee that video was not edited than I'm all in on Russell.


That was edited to show how many he can hit in a row. Still impressive!

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