Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[MoMM]

Houston has a Capela trade in place in case they can bring Butler. What team do you think is the partner? I'd say it's Sacramento.

[ezzzp]

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[MoMM]

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Can they renounce it at any time?

[Magic_Johnny12]

wing position is more important than center in today's NBA.

Would you be amazed if we re-sign Fournier to a 80M/4-year deal next offseason if he opts-out?

for what he has shown, i would call it a mistake.

Whatever word is worse than a mere mistake is what that would be.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Houston has a Capela trade in place in case they can bring Butler. What team do you think is the partner? I'd say it's Sacramento.

Screams Boston

[tiderulz]

Houston has a Capela trade in place in case they can bring Butler. What team do you think is the partner? I'd say it's Sacramento.

that wouldnt be a bad move at all for Sacramento, depending on what they are giving up (just cap space or more)

[Magic_Johnny12]

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Can they renounce it at any time?

Yes.

[The Real Dalic]

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Shocked.

[MoMM]

Houston has a Capela trade in place in case they can bring Butler. What team do you think is the partner? I'd say it's Sacramento.

that wouldnt be a bad move at all for Sacramento, depending on what they are giving up (just cap space or more)

Agreed, I expect it to be cap space + some protected picks.

[MoMM]

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Can they renounce it at any time?

Yes.

Well, so it was an expected move, no news here. They had to play safe in case KD and Irving don't join them.

[VFX]

$90 mill is about right. Would have preferred $80 mill or less years. But this is probably the market value for Vucevic. For a team that is not interested in taking steps backward, he had the leverage to get this deal. If this deal descends like AG's, then it's a good deal.

look out. if you dont call it amazing, the torches and pitchforks come out.

What’s the chance Vuc doesn’t become an allstar again after he inks this contract? Can’t believe there’s a chance we’ll be watching this guy for a decade of sub par Magic basketball.

[The Real Dalic]

The GB are fans of the reported offer as well. Hopefully he accepts. Would be sad to see him go. But would still cheer him on wherever he goes.

[pepe1991]

$90 mill is about right. Would have preferred $80 mill or less years. But this is probably the market value for Vucevic. For a team that is not interested in taking steps backward, he had the leverage to get this deal. If this deal descends like AG's, then it's a good deal.

look out. if you dont call it amazing, the torches and pitchforks come out.

What’s the chance Vuc doesn’t become an allstar again after he inks this contract? Can’t believe there’s a chance we’ll be watching this guy for a decade of sub par Magic basketball.

His first round exit with team will put him up there with player that fans still drool on, who was " one of greatest ever<" and who also never passed first round with Magic- T mac.

In reality , unlike any other big time player for Orlando Magic who turned into allstar, VUčević is only player in Magic history that did not ask for trade after he become " famous".

[OrlandO]

I suspect it's going to take more than a 100 million offer for Vuc to turn down the magic's offer... and I'm not seeing any team willing to offer that.

[Ducklett]

This craters both the value of Bamba and Vuc being a 4 year deal. If Bamba starts to become the star people think he can become, Vuc is making a giant sum of money to be a back-up, so teams won't offer anything for him. If Bamba is just good and playing behind Vuc, no one will offer anything for Bamba because they know he is stuck behind Vuc. Horrible plan.

[ezzzp]

look out. if you dont call it amazing, the torches and pitchforks come out.

Spoiler:

What’s the chance Vuc doesn’t become an allstar again after he inks this contract? Can’t believe there’s a chance we’ll be watching this guy for a decade of sub par Magic basketball.

Actually there's a very good chance he holds form and there are some solid indicators that he'll improve his effectiveness:

Spoiler:

I used to be lukewarm on Vucevic because his offense was capped by inefficiency. But in 17-18 when he added the 3pt shot I began to gradually shift my opinion on what that cap was.

He was always a good shooter from the perimeter, so when he started stepping back a step and shifting long-two's into 3PA's I felt that if he continued to improve on that skill he could take another step.

Once Clifford arrived, I knew his systems usually focus on paint touches. Because of that, I felt Vucevic was going to get increased interior volume. In combination with another offseason of working on his 3P shooting...prior to last season, I expected Vucevic to take a solid jump in efficiency. I didn't expect all-star, but I did think his TS% would improve.

...and it did, and how he got there is very sustainable. In fact, if he can shift even more volume to both those high efficiency zones (something that is very doable) there is a very good chance that his efficiency could take an even bigger jump next year.

Add in continuity + internal development from rest of the roster that sets the table for added increased effectiveness. Vucevic is in his prime for at least 2-3 more years and his game is the type that ages well.


18-19
Total FGA = 1354 / FGA < Restricted Area = 478 / FGA >3pt = 231
Morey Ball FGA = 709 or 52.4% of his offense
TS% = .573

17-18
FGA = 840 / FGA < Restricted Area = 203 /FGA >3pt = 204
Morey Ball FGA = 407 or 48.5% of his offense
TS% =.533

16-17
FGA = 1031 / FGA < Restricted Area = 278 / FGA >3pt = 75
Morey Ball FGA = 353 or 34.2% of his offense
TS% = .498

15-16
FGA = 1046 / FGA < Restricted Area = 310 / FGA >3pt = 9
Morey Ball FGA = 319 or 29.6% of his offense
TS% = .531

14-15
FGA = 1206 / FGA < Restricted Area = 451 / FGA >3pt = 6
Morey Ball FGA = 457 or 37.9% of his offense
TS% = .548

[VFX]

look out. if you dont call it amazing, the torches and pitchforks come out.

Spoiler:

What’s the chance Vuc doesn’t become an allstar again after he inks this contract? Can’t believe there’s a chance we’ll be watching this guy for a decade of sub par Magic basketball.

Actually there's a very good chance he holds form and there are some solid indicators that he'll improve his effectiveness:

Spoiler:

I used to be lukewarm on Vucevic because his offense was capped by inefficiency. But in 17-18 when he added the 3pt shot I began to gradually shift my opinion on what that cap was.

He was always a good shooter from the perimeter, so when he started stepping back a step and shifting long-two's into 3PA's I felt that if he continued to improve on that skill he could take another step.

Once Clifford arrived, I knew his systems usually focus on paint touches. Because of that, I felt Vucevic was going to get increased interior volume. In combination with another offseason of working on his 3P shooting...prior to last season, I expected Vucevic to take a solid jump in efficiency. I didn't expect all-star, but I did think his TS% would improve.

...and it did, and how he got there is very sustainable. In fact, if he can shift even more volume to both those high efficiency zones (something that is very doable) there is a very good chance that his efficiency could take an even bigger jump next year.

Add in continuity + internal development from rest of the roster that sets the table for added increased effectiveness. Vucevic is in his prime for at least 2-3 more years and his game is the type that ages well.


18-19
Total FGA = 1354 / FGA < Restricted Area = 478 / FGA >3pt = 231
Morey Ball FGA = 709 or 52.4% of his offense
TS% = .573

17-18
FGA = 840 / FGA < Restricted Area = 203 /FGA >3pt = 204
Morey Ball FGA = 407 or 48.5% of his offense
TS% =.533

16-17
FGA = 1031 / FGA < Restricted Area = 278 / FGA >3pt = 75
Morey Ball FGA = 353 or 34.2% of his offense
TS% = .498

15-16
FGA = 1046 / FGA < Restricted Area = 310 / FGA >3pt = 9
Morey Ball FGA = 319 or 29.6% of his offense
TS% = .531

14-15
FGA = 1206 / FGA < Restricted Area = 451 / FGA >3pt = 6
Morey Ball FGA = 457 or 37.9% of his offense
TS% = .548

K.

[VFX]

This craters both the value of Bamba and Vuc being a 4 year deal. If Bamba starts to become the star people think he can become, Vuc is making a giant sum of money to be a back-up, so teams won't offer anything for him. If Bamba is just good and playing behind Vuc, no one will offer anything for Bamba because they know he is stuck behind Vuc. Horrible plan.

Nailed it. You allegedly plan on paying Vuc $22.5m a year for 4 years while Bamba rookie contract value disappears entirely. On the flip side, Vuc would have fetched way more on the market prior to this season because of his contract. Bad move either way.

[ezzzp]

This craters both the value of Bamba and Vuc being a 4 year deal. If Bamba starts to become the star people think he can become, Vuc is making a giant sum of money to be a back-up, so teams won't offer anything for him. If Bamba is just good and playing behind Vuc, no one will offer anything for Bamba because they know he is stuck behind Vuc. Horrible plan.

No it doesn't.

First Bamba needs to show he can handle back up minutes, much less starter minutes and "star" designation.

If he does start showing that type of skill, that certainly isn't making his value drop.

[ezzzp]

This craters both the value of Bamba and Vuc being a 4 year deal. If Bamba starts to become the star people think he can become, Vuc is making a giant sum of money to be a back-up, so teams won't offer anything for him. If Bamba is just good and playing behind Vuc, no one will offer anything for Bamba because they know he is stuck behind Vuc. Horrible plan.

Nailed it. You allegedly plan on paying Vuc $22.5m a year for 4 years while Bamba rookie contract value disappears entirely. On the flip side, Vuc would have fetched way more on the market prior to this season because of his contract. Bad move either way.

No he didn't. That's terrible logic.

First Bamba needs to show he can handle back up minutes, much less starter minutes and "star" designation.

If he does start showing that type of skill, that certainly isn't making his value drop.