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Post#201 » by djFan71 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:37 am

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djFan71 wrote:I get that he's a really good player, but I'm not sure Kemba was worth the opportunity cost. We couldn't stay over the cap and maneuver with exceptions, etc. We didn't stay under the cap to take assets/picks back in trades like MEM did. We could have Philly by the balls right now with DAL trying to throw a wrench in the Butler trade. We screwed Baynes. And apparently pissed off, or at least irked, one of the most likeable guys in the league (Al).

And, the biggest issue is, as of now, we can't play our 5 best players together. So, once again we ship Marcus or Jaylen back to the bench. Or Gordon is staying there, which means we're even more incredibly small. We say the future of the team is Jaylen & Jayson developing, yet now we take the ball out of their hands for another season (or 4). And we ensure that one of them, probably Jaylen, isn't going to close every game. So, we'll go another season and not really know if we should pay Jaylen big money after it.

Maybe we get lucky and sign a few young bigs around Timeload and they all develop. Maybe we trade Jaylen for a young big like Sabonis or Isaac to go alongside Timelord. Maybe Jaylen takes a team-friendly extension in the fall. I know it's early and lots can happen. But, if they don't we just gave a max to a guy nobody else was lining up to give it to who will take the ball out of our only current path back to contention.

I think you're worrying a bit too much about it. It'll be surprising how much better this team plays. Also," moves that don't make sense that set up other moves" is very true here make no mistake. There's something else coming, either in the short term or mid season or next season, but something is going down.

Oh, I don't doubt the team will be really good, even without that next move. And I get the concept of grab an all-nba player when they're available. But we have a definite ceiling - and lack of fit again. Which is odd to say since kemba will be a better fit than Kyrie. But, no matter how seamless that goes, we're stacking scoring wings & little scoring guards for days and can't play them all. We made a move that necessitates that next move. And, I know they know that (lol)... but with the contracts available to trade, it's going to be tough.

I'm definitely not in the Fire Danny crowd or anything like that. Have been with him on pretty much every move so far. and have faith he'll do something to fix this, etc. But, I think this is a time I would have preferred a different tact. Can't wait to be proven wrong by the next move. :)
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Post#202 » by djFan71 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:44 am

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It’s horrible to realize, but apparently I do care a little about my status on a basketball message board. I do clearly remember predicting basically all of the Celtics’ problems this year before the season started - and being told none of that would happen and that we were a clear championship favorite. I also have some faint memory of calling bs on the Fultz hype and being very clear about Tatum’s floor and upside even before we traded the number one. We can go back and look at the record..

Before that, though, I’d like it if you could get me some Applebee’s gift cards - put them in an envelope - lick the envelope - add a stamp - write my address (I’ll DM it to you!) - fold the envelope around the plastic cards - and shove it up your ***

Warning. C'mon man, you can say stuff like that - twice. I don't think what Darth said is right, or cool, but you gotta handle it better.


Did he get a warning, too?

I just thought I’d try out a different road than the high one, sorry

No, and let your first reply slide, too. You guys are both great posters, so my strong preference is just to let things fix themselves. But since it came up again, I really just wanted to stop it now before it escalated any more. PM me if you want, but it was really just the profanity that triggered the warning.
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Post#203 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:08 am

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Post#204 » by ermocrate » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:10 am

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ermocrate wrote:Why did we sign him? He is useless if we don't make other moves.

It's a baseline move to make other moves, otherwise you need to go the other direction and blow it all up. At least Danny has chosen his direction.

I can’t see how we can add 2-3 bigs out of nowhere... The only thing I can imagine it’s a trade involving our young core but I don’t know if it’s enough for a great player.
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Post#205 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:23 am

djFan71 wrote:I get that he's a really good player, but I'm not sure Kemba was worth the opportunity cost. We couldn't stay over the cap and maneuver with exceptions, etc. We didn't stay under the cap to take assets/picks back in trades like MEM did. We could have Philly by the balls right now with DAL trying to throw a wrench in the Butler trade. We screwed Baynes. And apparently pissed off, or at least irked, one of the most likeable guys in the league (Al).

And, the biggest issue is, as of now, we can't play our 5 best players together. So, once again we ship Marcus or Jaylen back to the bench. Or Gordon is staying there, which means we're even more incredibly small. We say the future of the team is Jaylen & Jayson developing, yet now we take the ball out of their hands for another season (or 4). And we ensure that one of them, probably Jaylen, isn't going to close every game. So, we'll go another season and not really know if we should pay Jaylen big money after it.

Maybe we get lucky and sign a few young bigs around Timeload and they all develop. Maybe we trade Jaylen for a young big like Sabonis or Isaac to go alongside Timelord. Maybe Jaylen takes a team-friendly extension in the fall. I know it's early and lots can happen. But, if they don't we just gave a max to a guy nobody else was lining up to give it to who will take the ball out of our only current path back to contention.


Having 5 good guys who split 4 positions among themselves is hardly a big problem.

That said, if our natural perimeter guys don't do a good job guarding bigger guys, and they really can only split up 3 positions (except perhaps in short spurts), we have more of an issue.
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Re: Welcome Kemba Walker Thread 

Post#206 » by Ernest » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:42 am

ermocrate wrote:Why did we sign him? He is useless if we don't make other moves.


Because the plan hasn't changed. A month ago the plan was to keep the vets and trade the kids for a star (AD) well he is gone now, but there will be another one down the road. Kemba lets us stay competitive, basically one trade away from true contention.
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Post#207 » by Joest2003 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:20 am

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return2glory wrote:New start! Kemba will be loved here.

Kemba is perfect after suffering two years with a drama queen He's the complete opposite a team player with a great attitude and one heck of a player.


Has Kemba ever had a teammate as good as Hayward, Brown, or Tatum?


His best teammate of his career was Al Jefferson like 5 years ago. Jeremy Lamb has been the second best player for the Hornets the past few years. Nothing against thoss guys but you would think over a 8 year career you would play with some better guys than that. whole Hornets organization is a joke
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Post#208 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 1, 2019 11:06 am

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Post#209 » by Tiny ball » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:03 pm

Kalela wrote:I didn't want Kemba on the Celtics. I just don't believe in building around undersized PGs. With that said, as a Uconn fan, I am happy for Kemba and his family for making it this far. He was always doubted due to his size and now he is getting paid in the NBA.
Hopefully they are building around Brown and Tatum. I like small fast guards that can score but I also like big that grabs all the rebounds blocks shots and gets that ball off the rim starts the fast break with pass. I personally was not into
Kemba coming to Celtics but it should be a fun season and with him we have a puncher's chance with few more moves?
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Post#210 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:08 pm

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Kemba vs Kyrie offensive package -- Less isos. More drives to the basket. Gets to the line more often. Less midrange.
TBD under Brad's system and w/ better teammates -- Overall efficiency. Assist rate. Offball game.


I think this is a bit of a stretch. To the point I don't think a single one of those is actually a factual statement.

Or the difference is immaterial. Irving's key play is a layup with English, Kemba's key play is a step back long 2.

Irving career stats: 22 ppg 6 aspg 3.6rpg 1 steal. 46.5%fg 39% 3 87.5%FT. 4.4 FTA per game
Kemba career stats: 20 ppg 5.5 aspg 3.8rpg 1 steal. 42%fg 35.5%3 83.5%FT. 4.7 FTA per game

On court Kemba is just a straight up worse player and always has been.

He's still an great signing, but let's not act like he's IT (which this team desperately needs a IT and someone getting 8FTApergame would open up all of our other players game) and will suddenly be the endless driving to the basket kick out of 3 player that will ignite our entire teams game in an MVP way.

Kemba is a lesser Irving on the court. But a much superior off-court leader, and an ironman.


I would look at Kemba's last 4 seasons, not his career stats. He has had a Lowry-like evolution in terms of shooting. And his shot selection is better, too.
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Post#211 » by ermocrate » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:17 pm

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ermocrate wrote:Why did we sign him? He is useless if we don't make other moves.


Because the plan hasn't changed. A month ago the plan was to keep the vets and trade the kids for a star (AD) well he is gone now, but there will be another one down the road. Kemba lets us stay competitive, basically one trade away from true contention.

I’m not completely sure about the age, I think there’s something already boiling...
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Post#212 » by brackdan70 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:19 pm

Stoked we landed Kemba. Huge.
Always been a hard nosed competitor.

Hope the Cs can get him a chance to win some playoff games.
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If Jag can give us 25 effective minutes then it’s a really solid team.
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Post#213 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:18 pm

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Post#214 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:27 pm

hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Kemba vs Kyrie offensive package -- Less isos. More drives to the basket. Gets to the line more often. Less midrange.
TBD under Brad's system and w/ better teammates -- Overall efficiency. Assist rate. Offball game.


I think this is a bit of a stretch. To the point I don't think a single one of those is actually a factual statement.

Or the difference is immaterial. Irving's key play is a layup with English, Kemba's key play is a step back long 2.

Irving career stats: 22 ppg 6 aspg 3.6rpg 1 steal. 46.5%fg 39% 3 87.5%FT. 4.4 FTA per game
Kemba career stats: 20 ppg 5.5 aspg 3.8rpg 1 steal. 42%fg 35.5%3 83.5%FT. 4.7 FTA per game

On court Kemba is just a straight up worse player and always has been.

He's still an great signing, but let's not act like he's IT (which this team desperately needs a IT and someone getting 8FTApergame would open up all of our other players game) and will suddenly be the endless driving to the basket kick out of 3 player that will ignite our entire teams game in an MVP way.

Kemba is a lesser Irving on the court. But a much superior off-court leader, and an ironman.


I would look at Kemba's last 4 seasons, not his career stats. He has had a Lowry-like evolution in terms of shooting. And his shot selection is better, too.


Interestingly enough like Lowry he also takes a lot of charges. Kemba might be the non playmaking ISO version of Lowry. (but unlike Lowry he's also good at it, the same way Lowry is also really good a playmaking and running a team).
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Post#215 » by Darth Celtic » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:28 pm

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I don''t even mean this in the mean way. I don't mind the dude. But the next time Andrew is right about something, will be the first time.


It’s horrible to realize, but apparently I do care a little about my status on a basketball message board. I do clearly remember predicting basically all of the Celtics’ problems this year before the season started - and being told none of that would happen and that we were a clear championship favorite. I also have some faint memory of calling bs on the Fultz hype and being very clear about Tatum’s floor and upside even before we traded the number one. We can go back and look at the record..

Before that, though, I’d like it if you could get me some Applebee’s gift cards - put them in an envelope - lick the envelope - add a stamp - write my address (I’ll DM it to you!) - fold the envelope around the plastic cards - and shove it up your ***

Well, I'm sorry that my humor hurt you. Wasn't my real intention, hence I made sure to be clear it wasn't intended to be mean and again, I DON"T MIDE THE DUDE, which is you. I don't take offense to anything you said in response to me either and I feel bad it got a warning. My joke was that all offseason you have been trying to trade real assets for cast off overpays like Zach Lavine. Your trade ideas all offseason have me scratching my head. Now I didn't mean for all time I guess, I can't recall any other times of you being right or wrong and you are good poster on the board for knowledge afterall. I was just jokingly referencing the trade ideas you have had this offseason.

Again, I'm ok with you, and I am still ok with you. Hope you are ok with me.
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Post#217 » by DarkAzcura » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:36 pm

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Post#218 » by CSL_1904 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:43 pm

He says we're going to be fun to watch. That's all I want at this point, after the shambles of last season.
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Post#219 » by UNCBlue012 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:44 pm

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I'M NOT CRYING, WE ARE ALL CRYING. I'm about to run through a wall for this guy. Damn.
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Post#220 » by Fantaxp7 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:45 pm



I've watched this 10 times gets me so hyped.

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