Thunder Offseason Thread

petros93 · Post #2301 » by **petros93** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:17 pm

I don't care what okc gets. Get Russ to the heat. He deserves it.

Old Man Game · Post #2302 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:18 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:How would it even work with Miami? If we make them better, we hurt ourselves since we have their picks.

When do we have their picks? Several years out right?

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Post #2303 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:19 pm

Sometimes I feel like me being a fan of the franchise and not of specific players puts me in a minority group of people.

Post #2304 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:26 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:How would it even work with Miami? If we make them better, we hurt ourselves since we have their picks.
When do we have their picks? Several years out right?

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Old Man Game · Post #2305 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:26 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Sometimes I feel like me being a fan of the franchise and not of specific players puts me in a minority group of people.

I'm with you. I don't care about these players as people at all. I thought I did but over the years as faces have come and gone I've realized I don't.

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Post #2306 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:34 pm

a dragic + johnson + herro trade for westbrook just seems like a clean baseline to me. could probably do more around it if necessary even given miami's cap situation. dragic is a flip candidate.

Old Man Game · Post #2307 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:39 pm

slick_watts wrote:a dragic + johnson + herro trade for westbrook just seems like a clean baseline to me. could probably do more around it if necessary even given miami's cap situation. dragic is a flip candidate.

Isn't Herro pretty good? I saw several stats (Summer League disclaimer) where he was torching it.

Post #2308 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:42 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
slick_watts wrote:a dragic + johnson + herro trade for westbrook just seems like a clean baseline to me. could probably do more around it if necessary even given miami's cap situation. dragic is a flip candidate.

Isn't Herro pretty good? I saw several stats (Summer League disclaimer) where he was torching it.

We are just going to sign as many former UK players as possible.

What about Winslow?

Post #2309 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:43 pm

These Westbrook/CP3 trade suggestions are beyond stupid.

mr570 · Post #2310 » by **mr570** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:46 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:These Westbrook/CP3 trade suggestions are beyond stupid.

Three team trade with... someone? And Dallas? And we don't keep either Paul or Russ obviously. Dallas gets Paul, Miami gets Russ, we get ??? Excuse me FOUR team trade. Can't do math there.

Post #2311 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:48 pm

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Osirus89 · Post #2312 » by **Osirus89** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:56 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
The new nba means you build for a chance at a 2 year window and then blow it up. You don’t think the return for George was a little bit impressive?

I've lost complete faith in Presti at this point. The gravitation of stars to Los Angeles and New York has also made me more cynical about the landscape of the league going forward.

It feels like the team just has inevitable concerns even with Presti recouping picks for PG. A) Presti will either squander the picks on something stupid. B) The ownership will cheap out even in the event that the team hits on the draft picks because thats just the way they lean. C) The players that are drafted might just leave for greener pastures even if the team pulls a 180 and starts doing things properly just because of geography. It could be any one of those three alone or any combination of the three.

If Giannis leaves Milwaukee that will just drive the point home that small market teams are just not viable markets for NBA teams that want to win anything. They will simply be relegated to being farm teams for big markets which is how things used to be and now they have started to slide back in that direction unless the league tries to prevent it with wholesale changes to the cap, revenue rules, and max player contract structures in the next CBA.

Osirus89 · Post #2313 » by **Osirus89** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:01 pm

petros93 wrote:I don't care what okc gets. Get Russ to the heat. He deserves it.

I think the heat are hard capped. It's not impossible I suppose but it will be tricky. Either San Antonio or Miami are where I would want him to go.

Old Man Game · Post #2314 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:02 pm

Osirus89 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
The new nba means you build for a chance at a 2 year window and then blow it up. You don’t think the return for George was a little bit impressive?

I've lost complete faith in Presti at this point. The gravitation of stars to Los Angeles and New York has also made me more cynical about the landscape of the league going forward.

It feels like the team just has inevitable concerns even with Presti recouping picks for PG. A) Presti will either squander the picks on something stupid. B) The ownership will cheap out even in the event that the team hits on the draft picks because thats just the way they lean. C) The players that are drafted might just leave for greener pastures even if the team pulls a 180 and starts doing things properly just because of geography. It could be any one of those three alone or any combination of the three.

If Giannis leaves Milwaukee that will just drive the point home that small market teams are just not viable markets for NBA teams that want to win anything. They will simply be relegated to being farm teams for big markets which is how things used to be and now they have started to slide back in that direction unless the league tries to prevent it with wholesale changes to the cap, revenue rules, and max player contract structures in the next CBA.

To your point it is a bit depressing that even Toronto couldn't hold onto a Star. That's one of the top cities in all of North America. (Then again it is balls cold)

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thekaoswithin · Post #2315 » by **thekaoswithin** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:17 pm

CP3 + picks is better IMO, picks are superior to any combo of mediocre players we get from Miami.

thekaoswithin · Post #2316 » by **thekaoswithin** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:19 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
The new nba means you build for a chance at a 2 year window and then blow it up. You don’t think the return for George was a little bit impressive?

I've lost complete faith in Presti at this point. The gravitation of stars to Los Angeles and New York has also made me more cynical about the landscape of the league going forward.

It feels like the team just has inevitable concerns even with Presti recouping picks for PG. A) Presti will either squander the picks on something stupid. B) The ownership will cheap out even in the event that the team hits on the draft picks because thats just the way they lean. C) The players that are drafted might just leave for greener pastures even if the team pulls a 180 and starts doing things properly just because of geography. It could be any one of those three alone or any combination of the three.

If Giannis leaves Milwaukee that will just drive the point home that small market teams are just not viable markets for NBA teams that want to win anything. They will simply be relegated to being farm teams for big markets which is how things used to be and now they have started to slide back in that direction unless the league tries to prevent it with wholesale changes to the cap, revenue rules, and max player contract structures in the next CBA.
To your point it is a bit depressing that even Toronto couldn't hold onto a Star. That's one of the top cities in all of North America. (Then again it is balls cold)

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Our weather is similar to NY, so that wasn't the issue for us. It's mostly that people aren't educated on the legitimacy of Toronto as a city and still see it as some tiny garbage place, even though, like you said, we're one of the best cities in NA.

kdthunderup · Post #2317 » by **kdthunderup** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:21 pm

If Miami are keen on Westbrook and can't offer up picks I'd happily accept Dragic + Winslow + Herro for him.

Old Man Game · Post #2318 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:24 pm

thekaoswithin wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:
I've lost complete faith in Presti at this point. The gravitation of stars to Los Angeles and New York has also made me more cynical about the landscape of the league going forward.

It feels like the team just has inevitable concerns even with Presti recouping picks for PG. A) Presti will either squander the picks on something stupid. B) The ownership will cheap out even in the event that the team hits on the draft picks because thats just the way they lean. C) The players that are drafted might just leave for greener pastures even if the team pulls a 180 and starts doing things properly just because of geography. It could be any one of those three alone or any combination of the three.

If Giannis leaves Milwaukee that will just drive the point home that small market teams are just not viable markets for NBA teams that want to win anything. They will simply be relegated to being farm teams for big markets which is how things used to be and now they have started to slide back in that direction unless the league tries to prevent it with wholesale changes to the cap, revenue rules, and max player contract structures in the next CBA.
To your point it is a bit depressing that even Toronto couldn't hold onto a Star. That's one of the top cities in all of North America. (Then again it is balls cold)

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Our weather is similar to NY, so that wasn't the issue for us. It's mostly that people aren't educated on the legitimacy of Toronto as a city and still see it as some tiny garbage place, even though, like you said, we're one of the best cities in NA.

I'd heard at some point that part of the headache of playing/coaching there is having to go through customs for every road trip. Which seems nuts to me. You'd think they'd have some sort of special accommodation.

spearsy23 · Post #2319 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:43 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:

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Hamidou what I want

wco81 · Post #2320 » by **wco81** » Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:43 pm

kdthunderup wrote:If Miami are keen on Westbrook and can't offer up picks I'd happily accept Dragic + Winslow + Herro for him.

Riley would have to be senile to make that trade.