Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 10: Free Agency is in Free Flow

zoyathedestroya · Post #341 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:14 am

I would move Hayward. But not for freaking Westbrook.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #342 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:16 am

If you could get Gordon/Capela for Hayward, what’s the ideal third team to include to take EG and send back someone/something else? In theory you could include Jaylen or the MEM pick, like

Hayward to HOU
Eric Gordon, Jaylen Brown, Yabu to WAS
Capela, Beal to BOS

Kemba/Smart/Wanamaker/Edwards
Beal/Langford
Tatum/Ojeleye
Theis/Grant Williams
Capela/Kanter/Poirier/Williams ?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #343 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:17 am

Or Eric Gordon/picks for Justise Winslow

Kemba
Jaylen
Winslow
Tatum
Capela?

gocelts · Post #344 » by **gocelts** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:19 am

I think this is all bs. Presti and Ainge keep things close. Sounds like an Ainge move and I'd be good with it...but it's just too convenient and unimaginative to be legit.

winsomme2 · Post #345 » by **winsomme2** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:20 am

Celts17Pride wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I'm so gald this rumor didn't die. I think Capela is the missing piece for us to be able to compete with MIL and PHI.

Now hopefully we can make the package around Brown instead of Hayward and I will be happy as a clam.

Kemba
Hayward
Tatum
Capela
Kanter

Smart
Edwards
Langford
GWill
Theis

That's looking like a balanced roster. Then we can focus on get a vet presence on the bench and we're battling with anybody.

Floody100 · Post #346 » by **Floody100** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:28 am

winsomme2 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I'm so gald this rumor didn't die. I think Capela is the missing piece for us to be able to compete with MIL and PHI.

Now hopefully we can make the package around Brown instead of Hayward and I will be happy as a clam.

Kemba
Hayward
Tatum
Capela
Kanter

Smart
Edwards
Langford
GWill
Theis

That's looking like a balanced roster. Then we can focus on get a vet presence on the bench and we're battling with anybody.

Capela & Kanter both starting ?? I fricken hope not

Andrew McCeltic · Post #347 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:37 am

Eric Gordon+ trades, that’s the opportunity if we move Hayward..

Hayward to HOU
Eric Gordon to mystery team, maybe with other BOS players
Capela and mystery player(s) to BOS

Kyle Anderson? Justise Winslow? EG/Yabu for Tristan Thompson? Evan Turner? Gallo?

winsomme2 · Post #348 » by **winsomme2** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:38 am

Floody100 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:

I'm so gald this rumor didn't die. I think Capela is the missing piece for us to be able to compete with MIL and PHI.

Now hopefully we can make the package around Brown instead of Hayward and I will be happy as a clam.

Kemba
Hayward
Tatum
Capela
Kanter

Smart
Edwards
Langford
GWill
Theis

That's looking like a balanced roster. Then we can focus on get a vet presence on the bench and we're battling with anybody.

Capela & Kanter both starting ?? I fricken hope not

Well they are both good rebounders. Capela is a lock down paint guy and Kanter is a decent scorer. I think it's solid.

Plus you can go small with Capela because of how good he is defensively. so you could have some

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Capela

Lots of options when you have a good defensive big.

Floody100 · Post #349 » by **Floody100** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:43 am

winsomme2 wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:

I'm so gald this rumor didn't die. I think Capela is the missing piece for us to be able to compete with MIL and PHI.

Now hopefully we can make the package around Brown instead of Hayward and I will be happy as a clam.

Kemba
Hayward
Tatum
Capela
Kanter

Smart
Edwards
Langford
GWill
Theis

That's looking like a balanced roster. Then we can focus on get a vet presence on the bench and we're battling with anybody.

Capela & Kanter both starting ?? I fricken hope not

Well they are both good rebounders. Capela is a lock down paint guy and Kanter is a decent scorer. I think it's solid.

Plus you can go small with Capela because of how good he is defensively. so you could have some

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Capela

Lots of options when you have a good defensive big.

Ones a poor 3 point shooter & the other doesn’t shoot outside shots at all. I don’t want them both on the floor together ... ever.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #350 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:45 am

Hayward to HOU, Capela, Jaylen and 1-2 picks to MIN, Eric Gordon and a pick to MIA, Towns and Winslow to BOS 8-)

GoCeltics123 · Post #351 » by **GoCeltics123** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:12 am

jcappy wrote:Matt Burke believes that Miami will be in the forefront for Westbrook, but also states:
The Celtics still have a cache of young assets and draft picks to dangle, and it can’t entirely be ruled out that Ainge would actually look at pairing Walker and Westbrook together in the same backcourt. Ainge and head coach Brad Stevens are big small ball advocates and were fans of what Rockets GM Daryl Morey did in Houston with the pairing of James Harden and Chris Paul.

No, just no

robdog_5 · Post #352 » by **robdog_5** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:21 am

Capela is a decent C whi needs plays made for him. Hayward is a playmaker that would be stupid

Andrew McCeltic · Post #353 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:34 am

GoCeltics123 wrote:
jcappy wrote:Matt Burke believes that Miami will be in the forefront for Westbrook, but also states:
The Celtics still have a cache of young assets and draft picks to dangle, and it can’t entirely be ruled out that Ainge would actually look at pairing Walker and Westbrook together in the same backcourt. Ainge and head coach Brad Stevens are big small ball advocates and were fans of what Rockets GM Daryl Morey did in Houston with the pairing of James Harden and Chris Paul.

No, just no

Smart/Brown/Tatum for Westbrook, who says no :banghead:

Andrew McCeltic · Post #354 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:47 am

robdog_5 wrote:Capela is a decent C whi needs plays made for him. Hayward is a playmaker that would be stupid

Capela is borderline elite defensively, rotating, guarding the pick and roll and protecting the rim - and a plus rebounder. Whatever we lose defensively with Kemba, he’d make up for it.

A healthy Hayward is more impactful, but swapping him for Capela would fully commit to Brown/Tatum and give them the year to do their worst..

If you can flip EG in the same deal for Justise Winslow, maybe add Rob Williams, Yabu and a 1st going to Miami..

Kemba/Smart/Wanamaker/Edwards
Jaylen/Langford
Justise/Ojeleye
Tatum/Grant/Theis
Capela/Kanter/Poirier

You could be the best defensive team in the league even with Kemba at the 1.. and your ceiling is Brown and Tatum’s.. the only risk is that if they’re not ready, you’re a 40 win team.. if they are, or they’re close - you’re 45-55..

It’s a training wheels off scenario..

MagicBagley18 · Post #355 » by **MagicBagley18** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:59 am

reload141 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Think I would rather gamble on Hayward returning to form rather than move him for Capela. Team is dangerously low on playmaking as is. Losing Horford really hurt in that aspect as well. Hayward, Kemba and Smart are really all they have for the moment

FYI - I think Hayward is the most likely to be moved still, heard a rumour of it still happening but I honestly have no idea what it would be for.

Even with brad and his relationship? U think Stevens would co-sign that? and if not would danny even consider it?

Post #356 » by **sully00** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:01 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:I’m curious everyone’s non-biased opinion on how Kemba and Westbrook could fit together in Brad’s system..

Don’t see Westbrook as a fit, not to mention that contract

I have thought it through over the last hour or so and I am all in on this idea. Kemba can play off the ball and Boston would be pushing the ball at a pace that would make Tommy proud.

To some extent you have to evaluate your opponents. To me the biggest obstacles in the East are MIL and PHI, their strength and their weakness is their size. Two ways to counteract that one try to match that size defensively difficult to do, the other is create a small ball match up that doesn't allow them to utilize their strength. Their back courts suck and they would have a nightmare dealing with Westbrook and Walker.

I question Westbrook's late game judgement but not his heart and effort. I think Brad could help and I think he would defer those 37 footers to Kemba anyhow that is what he does.

Everything has its price but if a couple of firsts and Hayward gets you Westbrook friggin sold.

zoyathedestroya · Post #357 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:04 am

Can be executed now:
BOS gets Paul George, Luka Doncic
LAC gets Gordon Hayward
DAL gets Jaylen Brown

September trade:
BOS gets Zion Williamson
NOP gets Jayson Tatum

December 15 trade:
BOS gets Kawhi Leonard
LAC gets Kemba Walker

All legal trades. All parties gonna be happy with that. Except maybe the Clippers, Pelicans, and Mavs. We still wouldn't have a starting center though. Can't always get what you want I guess.

winsomme2 · Post #358 » by **winsomme2** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:12 am

Floody100 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
Capela & Kanter both starting ?? I fricken hope not

Well they are both good rebounders. Capela is a lock down paint guy and Kanter is a decent scorer. I think it's solid.

Plus you can go small with Capela because of how good he is defensively. so you could have some

Kemba
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Capela

Lots of options when you have a good defensive big.

Ones a poor 3 point shooter & the other doesn’t shoot outside shots at all. I don’t want them both on the floor together ... ever.

Kemba, Hayward and Tatum are all good shooters. Kanter is good in the pick and roll and Capela is a good rim runner. There's nothing wrong with that line up.

Floody100 · Post #359 » by **Floody100** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:14 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Can be executed now:
BOS gets Paul George, Luka Doncic
LAC gets Gordon Hayward
DAL gets Jaylen Brown

September trade:
BOS gets Zion Williamson
NOP gets Jayson Tatum

December 15 trade:
BOS gets Kawhi Leonard
LAC gets Kemba Walker

All legal trades. All parties gonna be happy with that. Except maybe the Clippers, Pelicans, and Mavs. We still wouldn't have a starting center though. Can't always get what you want I guess.

If we give each franchise a tour of the historic Fenway Park for a 25% discount I think everyone goes home happy & they accept the trades.

MagicBagley18 · Post #360 » by **MagicBagley18** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:19 am

Do not want Westbrook....maybe 2 years ago or right before he signed the extension and right after KD left. He’s 31 but completely reliant on athleticism and signed for 4 years. Don’t wanna be the team who has to pay him as his athleticism declines.

While everything I see and hear or read about him is his teammates love him in the locker room, it’s his on court style that they don’t always enjoy. Not to mention he treats okc media like **** can u imagine Boston guys?

Wait for beal or someone else to become available. If it’s beal he has 2 years left on the old max - 27 million or roughly around what we would pay Jaylen next season and we could probably make it happen while keeping Hayward.

Kemba
Beal
Hayward
Tatum

That’s a legitimate chance. If u don’t like Beal- fine but staying patient is better than taking on guys for their name like Westbrook.