Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #1261 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:12 am

rcklsscognition wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-better-way-to-evaluate-nba-defense/

A new way to rate defense.

In the positive:

Iwundu
Vuc
JI

In the negative:

AG
Ross
Aminu
Fournier
DJ

BUT BUT BUT VUCEVIC IS A DEFENSIVE LIABILITY!!!

Nyce_1 · Post #1262 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:51 am

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I predict we'll be signing Shane Larkin soon.

With three point guards on guaranteed contracts already, I would be very surprised if the Magic added a 4th.

I think a backup SG/SF is more likely.

Maybe DaQuan Jefferies gets the 15th spot for the minimum.

Technically, we still only have 2 PGs. MCW isn't officially signed yet.

Which, brings me to ask everyone, would you rather get MCW or Livingston?

rcklsscognition · Post #1263 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:59 am

Read on Twitter

League should make an exception that allows Clifford to shoot these out of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Post #1264 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:08 am

Nyce_1 wrote:Technically, we still only have 2 PGs. MCW isn't officially signed yet.

Which, brings me to ask everyone, would you rather get MCW or Livingston?

MCW's signing hasn't been announced, but he's going to be here. Teams don't back out of verbal agreements, only players do.

Livingston's production has fallen off a cliff the last couple of years and he's about to turn 34.

I'd rather have MCW. Similar skill set to Livingston, but younger legs.

Magic4champ · Post #1265 » by **Magic4champ** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:39 am

Woj bomb, Birch got sign by the magic! Yes!

Magic4champ · Post #1266 » by **Magic4champ** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:40 am

Free agent F Khem Birch has agreed to a two-year, $6M deal to return to Orlando, agents Mike George of @OneLegacySports and Jeff Schwartz of @excelsm tell ESPN.

Airgordon00 · Post #1267 » by **Airgordon00** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:59 am

Part of me wonders if Khem agreed to come back with the impression of Bamba getting traded.

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thelead · Post #1268 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:15 am

Airgordon00 wrote:Part of me wonders if Khem agreed to come back with the impression of Bamba getting traded.

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Maybe he likes being here and thinks he can take Bamba's minutes (which he actually can). This opens up quite a bit of trade options for us. Hell, any of the centers can be trade bait for the right player.

woosah · Post #1269 » by **woosah** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:36 am

Nyce_1 wrote:Technically, we still only have 2 PGs. MCW isn't officially signed yet.

Which, brings me to ask everyone, would you rather get MCW or Livingston?

I thought about it but it was just as a mentor role and good locker room guy with a ring who could possibly influence and help the young guys. I was thinking in addition to MCW, not instead of.

Post #1270 » by **SOUL** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:38 am

Random fun fact because I'm bored and it's the offseason, did you know that our original 2001 draft pick (that was then traded) Omar Cook is still playing overseas at 37 years old? He averaged 31.1 minutes last year for Movistar Estudiantes.

In 2001, I was in 6th grade. Yeesh.

Post #1271 » by **SOUL** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:40 am

Livingston doesn't play much traditional PG anymore either. IIRC, he played a lot of SG last year and did a lot of SG/SF sort of things on the floor rather than distribute.

GelbeWand09 · Post #1272 » by **GelbeWand09** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:09 am

SOUL wrote:Random fun fact because I'm bored and it's the offseason, did you know that our original 2001 draft pick (that was then traded) Omar Cook is still playing overseas at 37 years old? He averaged 31.1 minutes last year for Movistar Estudiantes.

In 2001, I was in 6th grade. Yeesh.

Ah yea i remembering him. NYC PG's always where hyped in those days. Even here in Germany i read some stories about him in Highschool & St. Johns
I think i still have a magazine with a story about him, Andre Barrett & another guy & who's is the next great New York PG :lol:

drsd · Post #1273 » by **drsd** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:32 pm

SOUL wrote:Livingston doesn't play much traditional PG anymore either. IIRC, he played a lot of SG last year and did a lot of SG/SF sort of things on the floor rather than distribute.

Is per36 assist numbers are 4.2, which is in line with a SGs stat line. For example, Fournier had exactly the same last year. Briscoe had a much nicer 5.6 apg in his per36.

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magicman112 · Post #1274 » by **magicman112** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:45 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
SOUL wrote:Random fun fact because I'm bored and it's the offseason, did you know that our original 2001 draft pick (that was then traded) Omar Cook is still playing overseas at 37 years old? He averaged 31.1 minutes last year for Movistar Estudiantes.

In 2001, I was in 6th grade. Yeesh.

Ah yea i remembering him. NYC PG's always where hyped in those days. Even here in Germany i read some stories about him in Highschool & St. Johns
I think i still have a magazine with a story about him, Andre Barrett & another guy & who's is the next great New York PG

Yeah there were some international guys who's rights we had for a long time (aside from Fran) I'm not sure if we still do. Ramon Van De Hare was one of them and Janis Timma I know is more recent.

j-ragg · Post #1275 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:59 pm

magicman112 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
SOUL wrote:Random fun fact because I'm bored and it's the offseason, did you know that our original 2001 draft pick (that was then traded) Omar Cook is still playing overseas at 37 years old? He averaged 31.1 minutes last year for Movistar Estudiantes.

In 2001, I was in 6th grade. Yeesh.

Ah yea i remembering him. NYC PG's always where hyped in those days. Even here in Germany i read some stories about him in Highschool & St. Johns
I think i still have a magazine with a story about him, Andre Barrett & another guy & who's is the next great New York PG

Yeah there were some international guys who's rights we had for a long time (aside from Fran) I'm not sure if we still do. Ramon Van De Hare was one of them and Janis Timma I know is more recent.

You have one good memory my friend. According to this we have rights to Justin Jackson from last year, Rashard Griffith, Janis Timma, Fran the man, and Remon Van de Hare. The oldest one rights still retained was from a year before I was born

I wonder if the Hawks will ever renounce guys rights from 1986 lol.

magicman112 · Post #1276 » by **magicman112** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:37 pm

j-ragg wrote:
magicman112 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ah yea i remembering him. NYC PG's always where hyped in those days. Even here in Germany i read some stories about him in Highschool & St. Johns
I think i still have a magazine with a story about him, Andre Barrett & another guy & who's is the next great New York PG

Yeah there were some international guys who's rights we had for a long time (aside from Fran) I'm not sure if we still do. Ramon Van De Hare was one of them and Janis Timma I know is more recent.

You have one good memory my friend. According to this we have rights to Justin Jackson from last year, Rashard Griffith, Janis Timma, Fran the man, and Remon Van de Hare. The oldest one rights still retained was from a year before I was born I wonder if the Hawks will ever renounce guys rights from 1986 lol.

Wow still have Griffith's rights? I remember he played well in Europe and the Magic had him over for a workout or something and he reportedly did awful lol.

Anti Chalmers · Post #1277 » by **Anti Chalmers** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:05 pm

j-ragg wrote:
magicman112 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ah yea i remembering him. NYC PG's always where hyped in those days. Even here in Germany i read some stories about him in Highschool & St. Johns
I think i still have a magazine with a story about him, Andre Barrett & another guy & who's is the next great New York PG

Yeah there were some international guys who's rights we had for a long time (aside from Fran) I'm not sure if we still do. Ramon Van De Hare was one of them and Janis Timma I know is more recent.

You have one good memory my friend. According to this we have rights to Justin Jackson from last year, Rashard Griffith, Janis Timma, Fran the man, and Remon Van de Hare. The oldest one rights still retained was from a year before I was born I wonder if the Hawks will ever renounce guys rights from 1986 lol.

Is it too late for Fran Vazquez to come over?

fendilim · Post #1278 » by **fendilim** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:12 pm

Airgordon00 wrote:Part of me wonders if Khem agreed to come back with the impression of Bamba getting traded.

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I believe its more of him not really having a market because of the rfa status. Wouldnt be surprised if after this contract, he is a ufa.

j-ragg · Post #1279 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:13 pm

Kinda ot but I always have been logged in on this site. Now the past few days it makes me login whenever I’m away for more than 5 minutes. Anyone else? Could just be my cookies or settings or some other nerd stuff.

Post #1280 » by **Howard Mass** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:40 pm

SOUL wrote:Livingston doesn't play much traditional PG anymore either. IIRC, he played a lot of SG last year and did a lot of SG/SF sort of things on the floor rather than distribute.

He is more of a 2/3 these days.

MCW is a better fit.

The Magic could use an extra guard but are probably too up against the tax to afford one.