Thunder Offseason Thread

Atomic Punk · Post #3241 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:29 am

thekaoswithin wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
People who understand the negative impact of Russ to on the court performance. OKC got better and got assets. CP3 should be easier to trade to Miami, or another team that wants to win, than Russ was. I really don't understand this from Houston's side. Either the CP3/Harden conflict was too much and something had to be done or Morey is getting desperate to make something happen and that includes abandoning what he knows in order to add a player that doesn't fit and drops Houston's ceiling from WCF to first round exit.

This is perhaps the most reasonable and thoughtful post that I have seen from you. I don’t agree that The Rockets will be a first round out but I do agree that this trade doesn’t improve their chances to compete for a title. This move does however smack of desperation on the part of Morey, a person who I feel thinks he is smarter than everybody else. This move will certainly bite him in the ass at some point.

Russ is def the better player over the duration of that contract. You guys are underestimating how much impact competent roster construction and coaching will have on his game.

The Rockets will have perhaps the worst defensive backcourt in the league. And Mike D is way overrated as a coach.

Dmagic · Post #3242 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:31 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:That's just nutty. Who sets those odds?

People who understand the negative impact of Russ to on the court performance. OKC got better and got assets. CP3 should be easier to trade to Miami, or another team that wants to win, than Russ was. I really don't understand this from Houston's side. Either the CP3/Harden conflict was too much and something had to be done or Morey is getting desperate to make something happen and that includes abandoning what he knows in order to add a player that doesn't fit and drops Houston's ceiling from WCF to first round exit.

people are giving westbrook way too much hate!
dude can win..he has proved that
he just needed an attitude change and I believe this will do it
you act like westbrook is horrible..he needs to chill on the triple double and he is clearly a number two guy..unfortunately so way PG13
and the westbrook durant thing was successful..

Atomic Punk · Post #3243 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:31 am

slick_watts wrote:morey is being pressured by his dumb owner.

This is such a Morey move though. He thinks he just outsmarted and out-maneuvered the whole league. I don’t think this move will pan out for them at all.

Atomic Punk · Post #3244 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:33 am

Dmagic wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:That's just nutty. Who sets those odds?

People who understand the negative impact of Russ to on the court performance. OKC got better and got assets. CP3 should be easier to trade to Miami, or another team that wants to win, than Russ was. I really don't understand this from Houston's side. Either the CP3/Harden conflict was too much and something had to be done or Morey is getting desperate to make something happen and that includes abandoning what he knows in order to add a player that doesn't fit and drops Houston's ceiling from WCF to first round exit.

people are giving westbrook way too much hate!
dude can win..he has proved that
he just needed an attitude change and I believe this will do it
you act like westbrook is horrible..he needs to chill on the triple double and he is clearly a number two guy..unfortunately so way PG13
and the westbrook durant thing was successful..

Russ is who he is. He isn’t going to change.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #3245 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:38 am

Dmagic wrote:people are giving westbrook way too much hate!
dude can win..he has proved that
he just needed an attitude change and I believe this will do it
you act like westbrook is horrible

What has Russ won? Russ isn't going to change and has said so repeatedly when asked about it. Can you name a worse volume shooter in NBA history? Do you think you can convince Russ not to take 20 shots a game in the playoffs and shoot his team out of the first round? I'll give you a hint, the answer is two letters only.

thor19 · Post #3246 » by **thor19** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:38 am

Russ is going to make a triple double every time he play against us lol

Balkman32 · Post #3247 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:40 am

Is there anywhere else other than Miami where we can see CP3 being moved?

Balkman32 · Post #3248 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:40 am

thor19 wrote:Russ is going to make a triple double every time he play against us lol

100%

Post #3249 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:41 am

Atomic Punk wrote:
slick_watts wrote:morey is being pressured by his dumb owner.

This is such a Morey move though. He thinks he just outsmarted and out-maneuvered the whole league. I don’t think this move will pan out for them at all.

i don't think it is though. imo he would have wanted a return similar to what we might get for chris paul. it has been reported that james harden pushed for this trade. morey hasn't been one to acquire players based on who his players want until fertitta bought the team.

Dmagic · Post #3250 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:51 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dmagic wrote:people are giving westbrook way too much hate!
dude can win..he has proved that
he just needed an attitude change and I believe this will do it
you act like westbrook is horrible

What has Russ won? Russ isn't going to change and has said so repeatedly when asked about it. Can you name a worse volume shooter in NBA history? Do you think you can convince Russ not to take 20 shots a game in the playoffs and shoot his team out of the first round? I'll give you a hint, the answer is two letters only.

russ won the west once..anyway
of course he is going to say that to the media..if he doesnt realize the **** now that he keeps getting left behind
I believe he will shoot less..Mike will make sure of that
rockets need him to drive and dish..assist and rebound if hes there
this will work..lets make a bet
russ will lead the league in assists
rockets will go to wcf!

Dmagic · Post #3251 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:52 am

rockets will own leagues best record..im saying it now

Atomic Punk · Post #3252 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:53 am

slick_watts wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:
slick_watts wrote:morey is being pressured by his dumb owner.

This is such a Morey move though. He thinks he just outsmarted and out-maneuvered the whole league. I don’t think this move will pan out for them at all.

i don't think it is though. imo he would have wanted a return similar to what we might get for chris paul. it has been reported that james harden pushed for this trade. morey hasn't been one to acquire players based on who his players want until fertitta bought the team.

Ok, fair enough but two things:
1. The players are driving movement like this in a way we have never really seen (Harden pushing for Russ, Kawai pushing for PG, etc)
2. Morey has made eyebrow raising moves in the past (the Anderson and Gordon contracts) and he is perpetually tinkering with the roster.

But you are probably right that ownership played a fairly large role in this. And the rift between Harden and Paul was real.

Dmagic · Post #3253 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:53 am

Atomic Punk wrote:
Dmagic wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
People who understand the negative impact of Russ to on the court performance. OKC got better and got assets. CP3 should be easier to trade to Miami, or another team that wants to win, than Russ was. I really don't understand this from Houston's side. Either the CP3/Harden conflict was too much and something had to be done or Morey is getting desperate to make something happen and that includes abandoning what he knows in order to add a player that doesn't fit and drops Houston's ceiling from WCF to first round exit.

people are giving westbrook way too much hate!
dude can win..he has proved that
he just needed an attitude change and I believe this will do it
you act like westbrook is horrible..he needs to chill on the triple double and he is clearly a number two guy..unfortunately so way PG13
and the westbrook durant thing was successful..

Russ is who he is. He isn’t going to change.

russ better change..better recognize
or not get voted in hof first ballot

Atomic Punk · Post #3254 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:54 am

Dmagic wrote:rockets will own leagues best record..im saying it now

And get bounced in the second round.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #3255 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:56 am

Balkman32 wrote:Is there anywhere else other than Miami where we can see CP3 being moved?

How long of a list do you want? Miami, Detroit, Minny, Orlando, Phoenix, Chicago, Washington and as really long shots I could see NOLA, Dallas and Sacramento trying to get in there.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Two part question about trading about OKC trading Adams + CP3 together.

Do Oklahoma City fans think Prestie would trade CP3 + Adams for experings?

Would OKC fans be in favor of that move?

Dmagic · Post #3257 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:58 am

Atomic Punk wrote:
Dmagic wrote:rockets will own leagues best record..im saying it now

And get bounced in the second round.

this season will define them both!! thats exciting..because everyone including them know it

Post #3258 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:00 am

slick_watts wrote:morey is being pressured by his dumb owner.

Swing for the fences!

Dmagic · Post #3259 » by **Dmagic** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:01 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Two part question about trading about OKC trading Adams + CP3 together.

Do Oklahoma City fans think Prestie would trade CP3 + Adams for experings?

Would OKC fans be in favor of that move?

no..why get expirings.. its all about assets at this point..young guns and the draft or good players..thuner can still be exciting and unless paul can go to lakers or bucks or something..he'll stay and compete...but he wants a chip..okc wants a future..so

Atomic Punk · Post #3260 » by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:01 am

Dmagic wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:
Dmagic wrote:rockets will own leagues best record..im saying it now

And get bounced in the second round.

this season will define them both!! thats exciting..because everyone including them know it

I get what you are saying but can you give me an example of this type of thing you are talking about happening before with players in this league.