I like our core

[shakes0]

I believe we have a very good chance of making the playoffs barring any significant injuries. After the recent trades this looks to be a very deep roster. The only improvement left would be to replace Adams with a decent vet.

I would say less than 5% chance this team makes the playoffs. IMO they finish anywhere from 10th to 13th in the conference. Maybe 35 wins at best.

The only team that finished ahead of ATL that will definitely be worse than ATL is Charlotte. And there's a chance that Chicago could be better than ATL as well. Might jump Washington, but that's a big maybe considering they'll have Wall back.

Hmm, I notice a subtle change in your profile. A lotta CHI teams but one that's a little diff'rnt. Nice.

Seriously though, I can see us in the 10-12/13 range too but that should/could put us 2-3 games out of a playoff spot. Considering some of the 8-13 range teams will opt to tank at that point, and we won't, it's more of a "possibility" at that point.

And on CHI, I think they look better on paper than they'll look in actuality. I have no confidence in Boylen .. well, let me rephrase, there's not enough of a track record to assume Boylen will be able to navigate the guard situation such that they'll definitively be better than us next year.

White looks good in SL but what is he? He's not a point guard, and that's fine. But, since he's not a 1, where/how do he and Lavine fit? Neither play defense. Lavine is uninterested in it and, by virtue of the fact that he's been paid, is he now one of the "Aye they pay me to score, not play D" types? The answer is unclear.

What is crystal clear though is he and Devin Booker are probably vying for the record for worst personal winning percentages of all time.

I think we and CHI will be the class of the EC soon. We each have questions though. I feel they have some upheaval left to do though such as trading Dunn and Lavine(?).

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

[Ghost999]

I would say less than 5% chance this team makes the playoffs. IMO they finish anywhere from 10th to 13th in the conference. Maybe 35 wins at best.

The only team that finished ahead of ATL that will definitely be worse than ATL is Charlotte. And there's a chance that Chicago could be better than ATL as well. Might jump Washington, but that's a big maybe considering they'll have Wall back.

Hmm, I notice a subtle change in your profile. A lotta CHI teams but one that's a little diff'rnt. Nice.

Seriously though, I can see us in the 10-12/13 range too but that should/could put us 2-3 games out of a playoff spot. Considering some of the 8-13 range teams will opt to tank at that point, and we won't, it's more of a "possibility" at that point.

And on CHI, I think they look better on paper than they'll look in actuality. I have no confidence in Boylen .. well, let me rephrase, there's not enough of a track record to assume Boylen will be able to navigate the guard situation such that they'll definitively be better than us next year.

White looks good in SL but what is he? He's not a point guard, and that's fine. But, since he's not a 1, where/how do he and Lavine fit? Neither play defense. Lavine is uninterested in it and, by virtue of the fact that he's been paid, is he now one of the "Aye they pay me to score, not play D" types? The answer is unclear.

What is crystal clear though is he and Devin Booker are probably vying for the record for worst personal winning percentages of all time.

I think we and CHI will be the class of the EC soon. We each have questions though. I feel they have some upheaval left to do though such as trading Dunn and Lavine(?).

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

[shakes0]

Hmm, I notice a subtle change in your profile. A lotta CHI teams but one that's a little diff'rnt. Nice.

Seriously though, I can see us in the 10-12/13 range too but that should/could put us 2-3 games out of a playoff spot. Considering some of the 8-13 range teams will opt to tank at that point, and we won't, it's more of a "possibility" at that point.

And on CHI, I think they look better on paper than they'll look in actuality. I have no confidence in Boylen .. well, let me rephrase, there's not enough of a track record to assume Boylen will be able to navigate the guard situation such that they'll definitively be better than us next year.

White looks good in SL but what is he? He's not a point guard, and that's fine. But, since he's not a 1, where/how do he and Lavine fit? Neither play defense. Lavine is uninterested in it and, by virtue of the fact that he's been paid, is he now one of the "Aye they pay me to score, not play D" types? The answer is unclear.

What is crystal clear though is he and Devin Booker are probably vying for the record for worst personal winning percentages of all time.

I think we and CHI will be the class of the EC soon. We each have questions though. I feel they have some upheaval left to do though such as trading Dunn and Lavine(?).

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

Every one of those players you mentioned either sucks or is an unproven rookie. Take the homer glasses off. I would expect production out of Hunter. I wouldn't expect anything out of Reddish this season. Wouldn't expect much out of Fernando this year either.

I'd love to hear an objective case for how the Hawks are better than at least 2-3 of these teams...

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
Miami
Detroit

That's 9 teams right there. You said they would realistically be a 7 or 8 seed so that means you have them better than 2 of those teams. I want to hear which ones and then apply your reasoning to all teams, not just the Hawks.

And that doesn't even account for the other teams that could easily be better than the Hawks, like the Bulls and Wizards.

Only 3 teams for sure will be worse than ATL this year....CHA, NY, CLE.

[King Ken]

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

Every one of those players you mentioned either sucks or is an unproven rookie. Take the homer glasses off. I would expect production out of Hunter. I wouldn't expect anything out of Reddish this season. Wouldn't expect much out of Fernando this year either.

I'd love to hear an objective case for how the Hawks are better than at least 2-3 of these teams...

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
Miami
Detroit

That's 9 teams right there. You said they would realistically be a 7 or 8 seed so that means you have them better than 2 of those teams. I want to hear which ones and then apply your reasoning to all teams, not just the Hawks.

And that doesn't even account for the other teams that could easily be better than the Hawks, like the Bulls and Wizards.

Only 3 teams for sure will be worse than ATL this year....CHA, NY, CLE.

44 wins min crew here.
Why better than

Toronto - Trae and John will be better than anyone on their team in 2019-20, we fit better, we got better starters and our depth is solid.
Milwaukee - They are better than us
Boston - They are better than us
Philly - They are better than us
Indiana - VO isn't back till Jan. They got worse even if they added more talent. Lost their top role players.
Brooklyn - Not sold on them but I see us being close. They were teed off bad teams last year. They never seemed that real, they added talent but lost fit.
Orlando - they will be better than us for now. This team will surprise people.
Miami - Not sold, let's wait to see what they will do with Paul.
Detroit - I see them dropping like Minny and Washington did last year.


I see us being 5th in the east and Trae and John being All Stars.

Orlando is our main comp. Brooklyn is close to us. I need to see more from Miami. They lost a lot and Buckets ain't good enough to make up the distance.

I can see the title run really weighing on Toronto.

For me, the two teams that could make a run that missed out last year are us and Chicago.

[tbhawksfan1]

Trae is going to ball. Possible first AS game. Same for Collins. Already solid starters. Heurter is a talent that was rightfully given a starter role. Not because he was ready, pure development move. Parker vet with limitations and positives coming off the bench. Len should be a back up unless he blows it up. Hunter lokks great, but is a 20 year old rook. Bruno pure development and little contribution at this time. Cam may contribute a little, but needs a lot of development. Crabbe, Bembry, Adams are fring remaining in NBA.

I don't see a playoff team and I think that at this point in the development and contruction curve, it's not even being prioritized.

TS is building this team for a not so far away future, to make a real run at being a yearly contender for some time. Patience is wise at this point

[fuzzy1]

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

Every one of those players you mentioned either sucks or is an unproven rookie. Take the homer glasses off. I would expect production out of Hunter. I wouldn't expect anything out of Reddish this season. Wouldn't expect much out of Fernando this year either.

I'd love to hear an objective case for how the Hawks are better than at least 2-3 of these teams...

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
Miami
Detroit

That's 9 teams right there. You said they would realistically be a 7 or 8 seed so that means you have them better than 2 of those teams. I want to hear which ones and then apply your reasoning to all teams, not just the Hawks.

And that doesn't even account for the other teams that could easily be better than the Hawks, like the Bulls and Wizards.

Only 3 teams for sure will be worse than ATL this year....CHA, NY, CLE.

I think your heads in the right place and your probably right, but I think there's a real chance Trae is better than anybody on Orlando and possibly Detroit/Miami next year. The rest of our team needs a lot of work/seasoning but Trae is the real deal

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[Geaux_Hawks]

I think it really comes down to how good Hunter is this year, and whether or not Huerter makes a big leap as a player overall. I believe Cam will be using this year to get stronger physically, and breaking some bad habits. Same with Bruno.

We really lacked a bench last, but this year, I think we are in a much better place with having an improved bench. Turner and Jones will be solid backups. We've got a plethora of interchangeable pieces at both forward spots between Parson, Hunter, Parker, Cam, & Collins. Crabbe although overpaid, gives us a great shooter off the bench at the 2 guard spot. Bembry gets kinda lost in all of that as well. I think he still has a future here considering we will have Turner & Crabbe expiring, and Crabbe may be traded before the year is over.

I got good vibes about Parker's addition. He's willing and receptive of the idea of coming off the bench. Being a starter isn't a big concern of his, and immediately improves our bench from an offensive perspective. Also, it allows us to get Parson in the lineup and see if he can add any value to be traded later at the deadline. Most importantly, I see Parker as a long term addition as a high level 6th man.

Our starting 5 looks strong enough to fight for an 8 seed alone. Especially if we can get the likely progression we expect from Collins & Young. Adding a bench to that just gives me even more optimism to make a run at the playoffs this year.

[Ghost999]

Agree on all of that especially the stuff about the Bulls. And yes, I finally committed and made the change from Bulls to Hawks in my profile. Should've just done that last year.


I just want people to temper their expectations for the season. Don't want to see a bunch of disappointed posters later in the year if the team isn't in the playoff hunt. Aside from the natural improvement of our young guys, I'm not even sure this team will be better than last year's team. We got deeper but younger at Wing. But we lost depth and talent at center. And we have no back up PG to speak of as of now.

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

Every one of those players you mentioned either sucks or is an unproven rookie. Take the homer glasses off. I would expect production out of Hunter. I wouldn't expect anything out of Reddish this season. Wouldn't expect much out of Fernando this year either.

I'd love to hear an objective case for how the Hawks are better than at least 2-3 of these teams...

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
Miami
Detroit

That's 9 teams right there. You said they would realistically be a 7 or 8 seed so that means you have them better than 2 of those teams. I want to hear which ones and then apply your reasoning to all teams, not just the Hawks.

And that doesn't even account for the other teams that could easily be better than the Hawks, like the Bulls and Wizards.

Only 3 teams for sure will be worse than ATL this year....CHA, NY, CLE.

OK so Milwaukee, Philly, Boston and Orlando and probably Miami with the addition of Butler and possibly cp are better. Toronto lost Kawhi so they will drop for sure, KD will be gone so Brooklyn will be decent but not great until he recovers. Detroit and Indiana aren't that good so we have a chance to pass them. Of course it all depends on many different factors but I believe we have a chance to be half way decent if all can come together. Also I doubt TS is done making moves and will sign another PG. But overall the east is pretty weak compared to the west so we should have a chance to slide in there. But playoffs or not I'm very happy with the direction that we are going and next summer after the expiring contracts are gone there will be a good chance of getting a good FA finally.

[shakes0]

With the additions of Parker, Turner, Parsons, Crabbe, Jones, Hunter, Reddish and Fernando we should be a decent team. It may take some time to gel but once they get there it should be pretty fun to watch. The last 2 or 3 years have been pretty hard to watch aside from seeing young, huerter and Collins start to gel last year. The bench was just horrible last year so with the new bench depth I feel we should be improved significantly. We won't be a top 5 team but I can realistically see 7 or 8th seed if things can come together.

Every one of those players you mentioned either sucks or is an unproven rookie. Take the homer glasses off. I would expect production out of Hunter. I wouldn't expect anything out of Reddish this season. Wouldn't expect much out of Fernando this year either.

I'd love to hear an objective case for how the Hawks are better than at least 2-3 of these teams...

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Philly
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
Miami
Detroit

That's 9 teams right there. You said they would realistically be a 7 or 8 seed so that means you have them better than 2 of those teams. I want to hear which ones and then apply your reasoning to all teams, not just the Hawks.

And that doesn't even account for the other teams that could easily be better than the Hawks, like the Bulls and Wizards.

Only 3 teams for sure will be worse than ATL this year....CHA, NY, CLE.

OK so Milwaukee, Philly, Boston and Orlando and probably Miami with the addition of Butler and possibly cp are better. Toronto lost Kawhi so they will drop for sure, KD will be gone so Brooklyn will be decent but not great until he recovers. Detroit and Indiana aren't that good so we have a chance to pass them. Of course it all depends on many different factors but I believe we have a chance to be half way decent if all can come together. Also I doubt TS is done making moves and will sign another PG. But overall the east is pretty weak compared to the west so we should have a chance to slide in there. But playoffs or not I'm very happy with the direction that we are going and next summer after the expiring contracts are gone there will be a good chance of getting a good FA finally.

The Bolded is something we definitely agree on!

[King Ken]

I think it really comes down to how good Hunter is this year, and whether or not Huerter makes a big leap as a player overall. I believe Cam will be using this year to get stronger physically, and breaking some bad habits. Same with Bruno.

We really lacked a bench last, but this year, I think we are in a much better place with having an improved bench. Turner and Jones will be solid backups. We've got a plethora of interchangeable pieces at both forward spots between Parson, Hunter, Parker, Cam, & Collins. Crabbe although overpaid, gives us a great shooter off the bench at the 2 guard spot. Bembry gets kinda lost in all of that as well. I think he still has a future here considering we will have Turner & Crabbe expiring, and Crabbe may be traded before the year is over.

I got good vibes about Parker's addition. He's willing and receptive of the idea of coming off the bench. Being a starter isn't a big concern of his, and immediately improves our bench from an offensive perspective. Also, it allows us to get Parson in the lineup and see if he can add any value to be traded later at the deadline. Most importantly, I see Parker as a long term addition as a high level 6th man.

Our starting 5 looks strong enough to fight for an 8 seed alone. Especially if we can get the likely progression we expect from Collins & Young. Adding a bench to that just gives me even more optimism to make a run at the playoffs this year.

I strongly feel like I know what Cam and Hunter is. Cam is going to be a monster and likely a top candidate for ROY and Hunter is going to be a role playing stud where he can fit any unit and rotation while not seeing a drop off from unit to unit. Both players will achieve a lot this year.

Cam Reddish to me can become the best player in the NBA one day. I already think he has our highest ceiling. I felt in the draft if he went to a good situation, he could be one of the best players in the class but if he went to an elite for his skill-set situation like us, Houston or Golden State, he had a chance to be the best player in the NBA one day. I don't think people realize just how good Cam Reddish is. I just don't.

That said, I didn't list us at 44 wins min for them. I did it Trae, John and Kevin projected impact for 2019-2020. Kevin should be much better even if his numbers only go up to 14-15 ppg. He will be much better on both ends and his impact next to Trae should change how teams defend us if they haven't already as we seen last season. John is the player I am expecting a major jump. He flashed 60/40/80 potential and I believe he can get there. John is on the fast track with Trae on the offensive end. I am not expecting too much development from Trae and John on defense. I expect them to be more focus and handle more defensive responsibilities but I am not expecting them to be good on D much less average. I am hoping the usual mental improvements for young players get them to a below average level for their position.

Trae should make the massive 2nd year jump PG's of his caliber make offensively in year 2. I am expecting an all star season for Trae. Possibly as a starter.

If those three stay fairly healthy and our depth is as good as last year and likely could be better, we should win at the least 44 games. To win 50 or more, that depends on Cam and De'Andre. I don't see Jabari impacting wins as much as just helping us when we go on scoring droughts with the 2nd unit. I feel he will give up as much as he gives.

For me, we are the 3rd best young cores in the NBA. Only Denver who is in their last year as a young core and SAC is better in my eyes.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I strongly feel like I know what Cam and Hunter is. Cam is going to be a monster and likely a top candidate for ROY and Hunter is going to be a role playing stud where he can fit any unit and rotation while not seeing a drop off from unit to unit. Both players will achieve a lot this year.

Cam Reddish to me can become the best player in the NBA one day. I already think he has our highest ceiling. I felt in the draft if he went to a good situation, he could be one of the best players in the class but if he went to an elite for his skill-set situation like us, Houston or Golden State, he had a chance to be the best player in the NBA one day. I don't think people realize just how good Cam Reddish is. I just don't.

That said, I didn't list us at 44 wins min for them. I did it Trae, John and Kevin projected impact for 2019-2020. Kevin should be much better even if his numbers only go up to 14-15 ppg. He will be much better on both ends and his impact next to Trae should change how teams defend us if they haven't already as we seen last season. John is the player I am expecting a major jump. He flashed 60/40/80 potential and I believe he can get there. John is on the fast track with Trae on the offensive end. I am not expecting too much development from Trae and John on defense. I expect them to be more focus and handle more defensive responsibilities but I am not expecting them to be good on D much less average. I am hoping the usual mental improvements for young players get them to a below average level for their position.

Trae should make the massive 2nd year jump PG's of his caliber make offensively in year 2. I am expecting an all star season for Trae. Possibly as a starter.

If those three stay fairly healthy and our depth is as good as last year and likely could be better, we should win at the least 44 games. To win 50 or more, that depends on Cam and De'Andre. I don't see Jabari impacting wins as much as just helping us when we go on scoring droughts with the 2nd unit. I feel he will give up as much as he gives.

For me, we are the 3rd best young cores in the NBA. Only Denver who is in their last year as a young core and SAC is better in my eyes.

We're certainly right up there with some of the best young cores in the league, and if our rooks this year make enough of an impact, we could see our team in a position to make a meteoric rise like Denver has of late.

I was probably one of, if not the biggest advocate for Cam pre draft. He's got the ability to be a ROY candidate, but I think he would need a Trae Young type of growth to see that come into fruition. Like he's not coming out of the gates blazing, and he's probably going to struggle mightily early on, but I could see him coming along later in the season. If he goes on a tear like Trae did, then we're probably a 5 seed and he's got ROY locked up.

Hunter should make an immediate enough impact to where he will be our glue guy that makes everything fit. Kinda like a do it all kind of guy. We were right there in that group of teams that won 30ish games last year, and that was with Trae starting slow, Huerter initially not starting games, and a sub par bench. Trae should get off to a better start to the year, Huerter will be starting, and we improved our bench substantially. Plus, we won't be in tank mode. Future is bright here in Atlanta. I wouldn't mind seeing an 8 seed run like we did back in 08 with the triple J core this year.