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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1141 » by midranger » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Honest question, why do people pay attention to/follow Eric Nehm?
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1142 » by Swan Vox » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:19 pm

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Nice tribute. I hope we are able to weather the absence of the president. I know he was hurt at various times, but I thought for sure he’d be a core guy on an eventual championship team. Pretty sad that it worked out this way. Malcolm seemed to be in that Billups, Horry, Fischer mold of dudes that just got it done. Hail to The Chief.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1143 » by buckboy » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:21 pm

rilamann wrote:I value Brogdon because I value consistency and dependability.


Yeah, this makes no sense. Brogdon is about the furthest thing from dependable.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1144 » by buckboy » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:23 pm

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DingleJerry wrote:But of everyone on the team last year if the ball was getting swung around the perimeter down 2 with under 40 seconds left who would you prefer ended up with the open 3? I know I'd take Brogdon and I wouldn't think twice.


I think that point is at least debatable, Mids has made some clutch threes for the Bucks. I could support either one taking the shot.

But even if that's a point you're completely unwilling to concede on, that one thing does not validate the claim.


Brogdon's clutch stats were through the roof last year, with ridiculous 65/75/100 splits during the last five minutes of a 5-point game. Middleton, on the other hand, "boasted" 35/37/87 splits.


Those numbers are so incredible that it almost seems like they rely on a small sample size.
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Post#1145 » by emunney » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:28 pm

One might even suspect most of Middleton's clutch shots were 3s.
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Post#1146 » by emunney » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:29 pm

There's no denying (and why would you want to?) that Brogdon has made a lot of plays for us in tight games the last 3 years. He's a GOOD PLAYER.
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Post#1147 » by DingleJerry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:36 pm

Well whoever dug that up could probably easily grab the last three years as well. He's a good shooter and always seems calm and all I was saying is that he's the guy on the team I'd most trust in those situations. It is what it is, it's just one positive for him in the overall equation.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1148 » by buckboy » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:33 pm

emunney wrote:There's no denying (and why would you want to?) that Brogdon has made a lot of plays for us in tight games the last 3 years. He's a GOOD PLAYER.


Yep. But reliable, not really, just in terms of availability.
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Post#1149 » by blazza18 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:56 pm

midranger wrote:Honest question, why do people pay attention to/follow Eric Nehm?


Maybe because he's one of 2 or 3 media members who regularly "report" on the team?
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Post#1150 » by trwi7 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:04 pm

midranger wrote:Honest question, why do people pay attention to/follow Eric Nehm?


It's weird. I got a subscription to The Athletic because they were offering a 50% discount and I mainly just wanted to read national guys like Stark, Rosenthal, Posnanski, LeBrun, Custance and Deitsch. So I get the subscription and I rarely read the national writers and I just don't read the local stuff at all. I have push notifications for score updates and stuff but when an article comes up from one of the local guys, I just get rid of it. They don't say anything that I don't already know and I very rarely read the national writers anymore either.

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Post#1151 » by Wooderson » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:13 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:as a role playing shooter im more interested in wes Matthews clutch stats now.


It's not pretty over the last 3 years. 10 points per 36 with a 43.6% TS and shooting splits of 30/27/70, in 364 total minutes. 75% of his looks were 3s over that time.

Probably just a sample size thing like most clutch numbers (and possibly shot quality on lesser teams). Prior to 2017 he was at 16 points per 36, 58.8% TS, splits of 40/36/83 in 948 minutes. 63% of his shots were 3s. 2016 post Achilles injury he was very good as well.
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Post#1152 » by awd4cy » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:20 pm

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Definitely have way more interest in Korver still. At least at minimum, he has a brain.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE) 

Post#1153 » by M-C-G » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:42 am

I still think the Brogdon thing worked out about as well as humanly possible for him, us and Pacers. The caveat being we didn’t get the TPE because of who knows.

Great for a second round pick to make this jump. Great for us not to have a large four year commitment to a guy that couldn’t stay healthy even though he was one of my favorite players. I get being scared off a four year deal with him. I also think he is going to struggle in the larger role he was seeking but wish him well.


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Post#1154 » by kid idioteque » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:57 am

midranger wrote:Honest question, why do people pay attention to/follow Eric Nehm?


I like the IDEA of an outsider covering the Bucks (i.e. Kane Pitman) but you know if an outsider was critical of the Bucks or tried to do any actual reporting they'd lose access immediately.

Same goes for the Brewers. Haudricourt and McCalvy are miserable. Possibly even worse than Nehm and Valesquez.
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Post#1155 » by Rockmaninoff » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:37 am

Dante should have no problem filling the oft-injured, above average SG role. With better defense too.
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Post#1156 » by soxperry » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:16 am

Rockmaninoff wrote:Dante should have no problem filling the oft-injured, above average SG role. With better defense too.


lol.. i've been pretty supportive of trading Brogdon but that's a bit optimistic. He first needs to prove that he can stay healthy himself, which remains to be seen. He also needs to prove he can shoot consistently. He looked better in those four games that he played when trying to come back but overall it wasn't very good in that department. I think he has a lot of potential to be a solid, high energy player for us, but it's far from a sure thing.

I said this the other day, and because i'm a narcissist i'll post it again: If either DJ or DDV pops for us and becomes starter caliber, it's going to be massive. Would be nice if it's DDV because we need shooting and athleticism, plus he's under team control for longer, but either will be great. I would imagine the plan is to give them both every opportunity to prove themselves.
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Post#1157 » by crkone » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:51 am

kid idioteque wrote:
midranger wrote:Honest question, why do people pay attention to/follow Eric Nehm?


I like the IDEA of an outsider covering the Bucks (i.e. Kane Pitman) but you know if an outsider was critical of the Bucks or tried to do any actual reporting they'd lose access immediately.

Same goes for the Brewers. Haudricourt and McCalvy are miserable. Possibly even worse than Nehm and Valesquez.
Same with the Packers. It's funny how the most scathing stuff now comes out after the writers move on from the Green Bay beat. Beat writing is different from opinion based writing. They need to keep that access to have a job.

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Post#1158 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:09 pm

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Rockmaninoff wrote:Dante should have no problem filling the oft-injured, above average SG role. With better defense too.


lol.. i've been pretty supportive of trading Brogdon but that's a bit optimistic. He first needs to prove that he can stay healthy himself, which remains to be seen. He also needs to prove he can shoot consistently. He looked better in those four games that he played when trying to come back but overall it wasn't very good in that department. I think he has a lot of potential to be a solid, high energy player for us, but it's far from a sure thing.

I said this the other day, and because i'm a narcissist i'll post it again: If either DJ or DDV pops for us and becomes starter caliber, it's going to be massive. Would be nice if it's DDV because we need shooting and athleticism, plus he's under team control for longer, but either will be great. I would imagine the plan is to give them both every opportunity to prove themselves.

Yeah, I'd call DDV the more "oft-injured" of the 2. I've never heard of a young guard being out so long with a heal injury. Supposedly he's healthy but still couldn't go in the SL? What's up with that? I don't see him being more than a poor man's Brogdon, but Bucks need him to become a rotation player this season.
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Post#1159 » by Rockmaninoff » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:32 pm

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soxperry wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Dante should have no problem filling the oft-injured, above average SG role. With better defense too.


lol.. i've been pretty supportive of trading Brogdon but that's a bit optimistic. He first needs to prove that he can stay healthy himself, which remains to be seen. He also needs to prove he can shoot consistently. He looked better in those four games that he played when trying to come back but overall it wasn't very good in that department. I think he has a lot of potential to be a solid, high energy player for us, but it's far from a sure thing.

I said this the other day, and because i'm a narcissist i'll post it again: If either DJ or DDV pops for us and becomes starter caliber, it's going to be massive. Would be nice if it's DDV because we need shooting and athleticism, plus he's under team control for longer, but either will be great. I would imagine the plan is to give them both every opportunity to prove themselves.

Yeah, I'd call DDV the more "oft-injured" of the 2. I've never heard of a young guard being out so long with a heal injury. Supposedly he's healthy but still couldn't go in the SL? What's up with that? I don't see him being more than a poor man's Brogdon, but Bucks need him to become a rotation player this season.
I was being a little facetious with the oft-injured bit.

I do think the Bucks are pretty high on Donte. Bud had him as the 6th man to start last season. Pretty good for a rookie.

They might have him penciled in as the starting 2 this year, so holding him out of summer league as an injury precaution makes some sense.

I think the Brogdon transaction was mostly a financial move, but the loss is easier to take when considering Donte's upside.
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Post#1160 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:43 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
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lol.. i've been pretty supportive of trading Brogdon but that's a bit optimistic. He first needs to prove that he can stay healthy himself, which remains to be seen. He also needs to prove he can shoot consistently. He looked better in those four games that he played when trying to come back but overall it wasn't very good in that department. I think he has a lot of potential to be a solid, high energy player for us, but it's far from a sure thing.

I said this the other day, and because i'm a narcissist i'll post it again: If either DJ or DDV pops for us and becomes starter caliber, it's going to be massive. Would be nice if it's DDV because we need shooting and athleticism, plus he's under team control for longer, but either will be great. I would imagine the plan is to give them both every opportunity to prove themselves.

Yeah, I'd call DDV the more "oft-injured" of the 2. I've never heard of a young guard being out so long with a heal injury. Supposedly he's healthy but still couldn't go in the SL? What's up with that? I don't see him being more than a poor man's Brogdon, but Bucks need him to become a rotation player this season.
I was being a little facetious with the oft-injured bit.

I do think the Bucks are pretty high on Donte. Bud had him as the 6th man to start last season. Pretty good for a rookie.

They might have him penciled in as the starting 2 this year, so holding him out of summer league as an injury precaution makes some sense.

I think the Brogdon transaction was mostly a financial move, but the loss is easier to take when considering Donte's upside.

Not until DDV actually shows he can play - which he really didn't do last season. We don't want to be playing Wes Matthews 25 plus minutes a game, and Sterling Brown just isn't good enough - and probably should lose some weight (as Colson should), and we need Hill to backup the point. DDV's got to start making 3's - this season. Otherwise, Bucks need to shop midseason for a 2.
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