RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#9 2019-20

iggymcfrack · Post #81 » by **iggymcfrack** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:14 am

jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

Give me George and 4 average defenders and I’ll have a much better playoff defense than your Gobert team

Yallbecrazy · Post #82 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:07 am

PG13, I nominate Lowry as he would be who I vote for #11

shza · Post #83 » by **shza** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:34 am

George
Add Kemba
Remove KD

deneem4 · Post #84 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:01 am

jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

RodyTur10 · Post #85 » by **RodyTur10** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:33 pm

Vote: George
Nominate: Griffin

jirrit · Post #86 » by **jirrit** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:46 pm

shza wrote:George
Add Kemba
Remove KD

Bank Shot · Post #87 » by **Bank Shot** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:26 pm

Vote: Lillard - I think PG's 18/19 season is going to end up being a bit of a fluke. Just way out of line with what he normally does.

Add: Lowry

Jadoogar · Post #88 » by **Jadoogar** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 pm

stormi wrote:PG. And please remove KD.

Nominate - Simmons

Yea KD shouldn't be on the list. Either we're assuming he's healthy, in which case he should be #3 at worst. Or we assume he's out for the season and should not be considered.

Colbinii · Post #89 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:17 pm

Looks like me and the other two-3 smartest posters on this board keep voting for Draymond.

Colbinii · Post #90 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:19 pm

deneem4 wrote:
jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

You also need elite defenders.

Toronto had a ton of elite defenders, Golden State had Draymond, Houston had one of the best defenses when healthy and Milwaukee had Giannis/Lopez.

At a certain point the "elite scorers" will be off the table. For example, can a team win with Paul George as the best offensive player? What about Bradley Beal or Jimmy Butler?

yellowknifer · Post #91 » by **yellowknifer** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:21 pm

Easy Lillard here for me. George a question mark with his shoulders.

Nominate Lowry.

deneem4 · Post #92 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:32 pm

Colbinii wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

You also need elite defenders.

Toronto had a ton of elite defenders, Golden State had Draymond, Houston had one of the best defenses when healthy and Milwaukee had Giannis/Lopez.

At a certain point the "elite scorers" will be off the table. For example, can a team win with Paul George as the best offensive player? What about Bradley Beal or Jimmy Butler?

Yes

Colbinii · Post #93 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:43 pm

deneem4 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

You also need elite defenders.

Toronto had a ton of elite defenders, Golden State had Draymond, Houston had one of the best defenses when healthy and Milwaukee had Giannis/Lopez.

At a certain point the "elite scorers" will be off the table. For example, can a team win with Paul George as the best offensive player? What about Bradley Beal or Jimmy Butler?

Yes

If that team can they likely have a defensive anchor capable of playing at Goberts level.

Can you list me some teams that have won championships with offensive players as bad as Beal or Butler that didnt have a defensive player who was better [Think mid-2000s Pistons with Wallace, 2014 Spurs were dynamic and an outlier in this regard, otherwise I cant think of any teams].

LoveMyRaps · Post #94 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:34 am

Vote Doncic
Nominate Doncic

Pelly24 · Post #95 » by **Pelly24** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:44 am

You know what? I'm going Dame. PG played at a top five level for most of last season, but I don't think he'll necessarily be back there next year coming off the shoulder injury, and I'm not necessarily sure he'll keep shooting like a splash brother.

Dame has been a certified top 10 player for the last two seasons now, and he just came off a great playoffs series all things considered.

KqWIN · Post #96 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:49 am

deneem4 wrote:
jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

If scoring more important because it's easier, or is defense more important because it's harder?

deneem4 · Post #97 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:06 am

KqWIN wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
jpengland wrote:Gobert.

Give me Gobert and 4 average defenders and I have the number one defense in the league.

Add Simmons.

If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

If scoring more important because it's easier, or is defense more important because it's harder?

It’s harder to stop the best scorers....than it is to score on the best defenders...
They’re less than a handful of lockdown players that can contain anyone vs go to scorers that can score on anyone

KqWIN · Post #98 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:12 am

deneem4 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
If basketball had a goalie, I would agree but it’s too much scoring in this era for a rim protector to lead a team...

It’s a great part of a winning team but you need an elite go to scorer to win

If scoring more important because it's easier, or is defense more important because it's harder?

It’s harder to stop the best scorers....than it is to score on the best defenders...
They’re less than a handful of lockdown players that can contain anyone vs go to scorers that can score on anyone

It's the same question. Is it more important because it's easier, or more important because it's harder?

IMO, nothing is more important because it's easier or harder. Right now teams score about 1.1 PPP. If they were scoring 1.5 PPP (or 0.5), it'd still have the same importance.

Also, it's a 5v5 game, more than ever. Talking about how one player goes against another single is completely outdated and doesn't reflect the reality of how the game is played in the slightest.

deneem4 · Post #99 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:26 am

KqWIN wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
If scoring more important because it's easier, or is defense more important because it's harder?

It’s harder to stop the best scorers....than it is to score on the best defenders...
They’re less than a handful of lockdown players that can contain anyone vs go to scorers that can score on anyone

It's the same question. Is it more important because it's easier, or more important because it's harder?

IMO, nothing is more important because it's easier or harder. Right now teams score about 1.1 PPP. If they were scoring 1.5 PPP (or 0.5), it'd still have the same importance.

Also, it's a 5v5 game, more than ever. Talking about how one player goes against another single is completely outdated and doesn't reflect the reality of how the game is played in the slightest.

Exactly....
Curry, giannas, etc...changes an entire defense...
Gobert doesn’t change entire offenses...

KqWIN · Post #100 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:42 am

deneem4 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
It’s harder to stop the best scorers....than it is to score on the best defenders...
They’re less than a handful of lockdown players that can contain anyone vs go to scorers that can score on anyone

It's the same question. Is it more important because it's easier, or more important because it's harder?

IMO, nothing is more important because it's easier or harder. Right now teams score about 1.1 PPP. If they were scoring 1.5 PPP (or 0.5), it'd still have the same importance.

Also, it's a 5v5 game, more than ever. Talking about how one player goes against another single is completely outdated and doesn't reflect the reality of how the game is played in the slightest.

Exactly....
Curry, giannas, etc...changes an entire defense...
Gobert doesn’t change entire offenses...

Um...he absolutely does, but that's not the point. The point is that offense, or defense, isn't inherently more or less important because it's easier or harder. Place Gobert where you want. But if you're reasoning is because the importance, or lack thereof, of defense relative to the past that's a flawed premise to begin with. It's not like offense was less valuable in the past.