MagicBagley18 wrote: Darth Celtic wrote:
yea david aldridge already said he won't be signing it now or potentially at all but the 2 sides will have continued amicable discussions next week......that is when i think you'll hear both decide they are on separate time lines.
watch out for denver. i know they are interested....pelicans also
He is buddies with Tatum, and he is a star. But i'm not sure Danny wants a guy who is that bad on defense while trading 2 much better and longer defenders. On top of the griz pick. I could see JB/Smart/Semi and the bucks pick offered maybe. Danny holds JB in high regard and it sounds like teams keep calling about him too. The average Jo on realgm seems to undervalue him, c's and other fans alike.
Raptors fans saying OG and Powell plus a mid round pick from them beats the Celtics offer of smart/JB. Like.. what?
yea tbh i've been all aboard the get beal train but i also understand there's a heavy cost and get not going after him. i'm one of the guys who undervalues brown's ceiling but i see the potential and why he is so highly valued. i just question if he ever really get's there. also scared of his price tag that is most def coming.
i also don't think beal's defense is as bad as everyone makes it out to be but again we would be losing an all nba 1st team defender for him and putting him with kemba so there has to be reservation an it makes sense.
i just think kemba/beal/hayward/tatum
with stevens would be deadly and given an offseason next summer to add depth and defensive dogs with heart and toughness they would have a chance to win it all.
I think that line-up would be a big mistake. Four guys whose primary claim to stardom is their ability to create and score. Putting them all together is taking stardom away from at least one of them and probably two. If Kemba is scoring 19ppg as a 2nd/3rd option is he worth his backed up Brinks truck?
It's a great offensive group, but the whole would be less than the sum - four 20+ppg talents are not gonna average 20+ppg on the same roster. And none of those guys is a star without averaging 20+ except for maybe Tatum if his man D makes a leap.
The gold plated championship foundation is a pair of top 10 stars or a superstar big man with dynamite supporting casts. MJ/Pippen, Hakeem, Kobe/Shaq, Duncan, Pierce/KG, Kobe/Gasol, Dirk, LBJ/Wade, Curry/KD, etc.
Stacking All-Star reserve talents only works when the talent fit and balance is awesome, like the 04 Pistons (Chauncey/Rip/Sheed/Ben) or the 14 Spurs (TP/Manu/young Kawhi/TD).
Tatum might be the best long-term talent on the roster, but it might be best to plan short-term contending with Kemba in mind.
Kemba's presence diminishes the value of another 25+ scoring guard. What you want next to Kemba is 16-20 ppg secondary weapons with defensive and playmaking strengths as well as off-ball comfort on offense. With Kemba so limited postionally and size wise, you'd like those support pieces to be on the bigger end too. Something like the 2012 editions of Pierce and KG.
I think Tatum's a decent fit for this model. He's a very good off-ball shooter. A very good 2nd option scorer. He's a plus defender (though not quite as versatile as you want next to Kemba). He's big for the wing. His playmaking is limited (especially when playing off a volume shooter like Kemba, you want your 2nd banana to be pretty good at setting other people up).
Jaylen is a decent fit too. Good off-ball. Has some potential as a 2nd option guy in the right set-ups. Good man defender with a lot of versatility. But even more of a playmaking problem than Tatum.
A most of the way back Hayward is the best fit offensively - a jack of all trades offensively, including high-quality secondary playmaking, but sketchy defensively.
I think Jaylen and Tatum could work as contender grade Kemba wingmen if you put a combo defensive/playmaking force like Draymond (or Giannis!) behind them.
I think Hayward (again, if he recovers) could work if you put a primo defensive frontcourt behind him (something like what Toronto had last year with Siakam/Gasol/Ibaka).
So I think we've got the wing covered. We just need to pick which wing(s) work best next to Kemba, and then use the surplus to get the right kind of championship grade big(s).