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The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#861 » by Simmons25 » Tue Aug 6, 2019 3:53 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:“Thick and thin” lol yeah it’s been real tough rooting for a 22 year old all star.


Not sure if you notice the amount of crap he has copped for his shooting.... or his supposed lack of work ethic... or him being "not a leader"... or how he is "arrogant".

Yup I tried sticking up for the guy but I was wrong. He is arrogant.


Yeah an odd amount of people online have this oddly personal beef with the guy but like most things online it doesn’t really reflect reality. He’s one of the most popular players in the world.


LOL he was one of the most popular. You should check social media in Australia... he is getting absolutely hammered and that was before this latest stunt. Not many people in his corner anymore.

It didn't help that families that couldn't really afford to go paid a small fortune for tickets so that their kids could see him play live... based on him promising he would only a few weeks ago. It wasn't a good look when suddenly he went back on his word... twice. Simmons then supporting a divisive person in Australia who has torn the country down the middle with his retrospective claims of racism and promises to have this documentary seen in the US just put him further on the nose. This though has got people fuming like nothing I've ever seen before.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#862 » by Sixerscan » Tue Aug 6, 2019 4:00 pm

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Not sure if you notice the amount of crap he has copped for his shooting.... or his supposed lack of work ethic... or him being "not a leader"... or how he is "arrogant".

Yup I tried sticking up for the guy but I was wrong. He is arrogant.


Yeah an odd amount of people online have this oddly personal beef with the guy but like most things online it doesn’t really reflect reality. He’s one of the most popular players in the world.


LOL he was one of the most popular. You should check social media in Australia... he is getting absolutely hammered and that was before this latest stunt. Not many people in his corner anymore.

It didn't help that families that couldn't really afford to go paid a small fortune for tickets so that their kids could see him play live... based on him promising he would only a few weeks ago. It wasn't a good look when suddenly he went back on his word... twice. Simmons then supporting a divisive person in Australia who has torn the country down the middle with his retrospective claims of racism and promises to have this documentary seen in the US just put him further on the nose. This though has got people fuming like nothing I've ever seen before.


Well social media is well known for jumping to conclusions based on preconceived notions without any context so that’s not surprising.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the whole backing out of the national team games isn’t going over well.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#863 » by Simmons25 » Tue Aug 6, 2019 4:18 pm

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Simmons25 wrote:LOL he was one of the most popular. You should check social media in Australia... he is getting absolutely hammered and that was before this latest stunt. Not many people in his corner anymore.

It didn't help that families that couldn't really afford to go paid a small fortune for tickets so that their kids could see him play live... based on him promising he would only a few weeks ago. It wasn't a good look when suddenly he went back on his word... twice. Simmons then supporting a divisive person in Australia who has torn the country down the middle with his retrospective claims of racism and promises to have this documentary seen in the US just put him further on the nose. This though has got people fuming like nothing I've ever seen before.


Well social media is well known for jumping to conclusions based on preconceived notions without any context so that’s not surprising.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the whole backing out of the national team games isn’t going over well.


The backing out of the national team for the World Cup most people understood. But making a statement that he will still be playing in Australia for the exhibition games against Canada and the US... and then changing his mind no more than a week later and is what really peeved people off. It's pretty sad when you've sold 50,000 tickets to a basketball game on a promise you will be there... and then you don't even bother to show up. Most people are demanding part or full refunds. The whole thing has been a disaster.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#864 » by Sixerscan » Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:03 pm

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Simmons25 wrote:LOL he was one of the most popular. You should check social media in Australia... he is getting absolutely hammered and that was before this latest stunt. Not many people in his corner anymore.

It didn't help that families that couldn't really afford to go paid a small fortune for tickets so that their kids could see him play live... based on him promising he would only a few weeks ago. It wasn't a good look when suddenly he went back on his word... twice. Simmons then supporting a divisive person in Australia who has torn the country down the middle with his retrospective claims of racism and promises to have this documentary seen in the US just put him further on the nose. This though has got people fuming like nothing I've ever seen before.


Well social media is well known for jumping to conclusions based on preconceived notions without any context so that’s not surprising.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the whole backing out of the national team games isn’t going over well.


The backing out of the national team for the World Cup most people understood. But making a statement that he will still be playing in Australia for the exhibition games against Canada and the US... and then changing his mind no more than a week later and is what really peeved people off. It's pretty sad when you've sold 50,000 tickets to a basketball game on a promise you will be there... and then you don't even bother to show up. Most people are demanding part or full refunds. The whole thing has been a disaster.


Yeah and the thing is it was totally foreseeable that he was gonna back out (and really the Australian team probably didn’t want to play a tune up game with a lineup centered around a player that wasn’t gonna play in the WC), but it was handled very poorly.

I know it’s like fashionable to dump on Rich Paul but that’s really something his agent should have seen coming and got out in front of.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#865 » by Negrodamus » Tue Aug 6, 2019 6:33 pm

I'll die laughing if he joins Team USA.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#866 » by stormi » Tue Aug 6, 2019 6:59 pm

Australia profiling again? Color me shocked

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#867 » by downtownpie » Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:34 pm

stormi wrote:Australia profiling again? Color me shocked



Simmons has handled the last couple of weeks very poorly. If your going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. He says how proud he is to be an aussie then let down a massive amount of people by not playing in Melbourne. The story about team chemistry is crap. He can't play 5 mins a quarter in his home town yet Donavan Mitchell and Jason Tatum can travel half way around the world to play.

Yesterdays Crown casino story was the icing on the cake. Crown would have every race of people on earth on the gambling floor. To suggest they profile is rubbish.

No one gets in if you look under 25, wear camo pants (which are banned as well) and refused to show id. He later showed id and went in.

He also forgot to mention he was staying in a Crown villa, which they provided for free.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#868 » by Negrodamus » Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:49 pm

Sounds like there’s a running log of reasons why Australians are pissed off at Ben, lol.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#869 » by downtownpie » Tue Aug 6, 2019 11:01 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Sounds like there’s a running log of reasons why Australians are pissed off at Ben, lol.


A guy called up a local radio station last week and said he was flying in from Alice Springs to see the Boomers v Usa game. Had spent 6K on vip game tickets plus airfares and accom. Probably 10K all up and then Simmons pulled out. There are lots of stories like this. They sold tickets for $450 + in the top deck of a football stadium and people paid it to see him play.

We give our sports stars a lot of love and just want a little back.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#870 » by eyeatoma » Tue Aug 6, 2019 11:48 pm

Really sorry to all the Australian fans. I'm hopeful he can get a jumper, but this attitude is exactly what I talked about over the last few years about why I have serious reservations about giving him the contract.

He seems to be all about marketing himself, and his image (ala LeBron) but without the game to back it up. Yes his numbers at his age are very good, and he still has a chance, but when there's smoke there's fire.

These reports out of Australia paint a picture of someone who comes off as entitled, and trying to create a narrative that although probably exists in Australia (I'm Indian, and have heard of issues against Indians in some areas) but is being made much worse than it is. Australia is also extremely multicultural and I know many Indians who have immigrated there and love it.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#871 » by notericjr » Tue Aug 6, 2019 11:55 pm

the security guard was an 'ethnic' (for those non-aussies here, basically means slang non-anglo) and simply asked him and his 2 black friends for ID as they looked under 25 which is what they're trained to do. ben noticed he didn't ask his white friend and assumed they were being profiled but in reality his white friend was let in without having to present ID because he looks (and you can even verify this yourselves) like he's closer to 40 than 25.

anyway after ben vented on social media, he deleted the video after the casino refuted his claims and even had cctv footage to show they were let in after they showed ID. not to mentioned they're letting him stay at the casino for free

fair enough if ben thought at the time that he was being singled out but i would of hoped that upon reflection he would of seen that it was just a misunderstanding, hence why he removed his post after the casino came out and refuted the claims

but then a few hours later he doubled down on twitter...like WHY???. he's been doing good things in australia but things like skipping the exhibition games after the fact and this incident set him back in the public eye over there.

i know we shouldn't care as sixers fans as this stuff is generally irrelevant in our context but its just something to note. if athletes want to use their platform to speak on social and political issues they have to expect some push back as well especially if it looks like they may be in the wrong.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#872 » by Tomjas » Wed Aug 7, 2019 12:11 am

stormi wrote:Australia profiling again? Color me shocked



lol

I guarantee that the majority of patrons on the gaming floor weren’t white
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Post#873 » by stormi » Wed Aug 7, 2019 12:25 am

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stormi wrote:Australia profiling again? Color me shocked



Simmons has handled the last couple of weeks very poorly. If your going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. He says how proud he is to be an aussie then let down a massive amount of people by not playing in Melbourne. The story about team chemistry is crap. He can't play 5 mins a quarter in his home town yet Donavan Mitchell and Jason Tatum can travel half way around the world to play.

Yesterdays Crown casino story was the icing on the cake. Crown would have every race of people on earth on the gambling floor. To suggest they profile is rubbish.

No one gets in if you look under 25, wear camo pants (which are banned as well) and refused to show id. He later showed id and went in.

He also forgot to mention he was staying in a Crown villa, which they provided for free.


Truth is:

a) Most players and people in general are proud of their ethnic homeland, including Ben, who's been in Australia hosting camps and giving back to the community he holds a piece of inside of him.

Him choosing pass on the FIBA (irrelevant) world cup tournament doesn't conflict this. Almost every star player, besides Kemba and Jokic bowed out. The timing is unfortunate and I'm sure all of the players would love to be out there, but with training camp looming, and the beginning of a potential championship run for Simmons and the 76ers - a glorified exhibition tournament isn't worth the risk of burnout or injury.

I get being disappointed over something like this, but the disgusting amounts of backlash reek of entitlement. The risk for Ben far outweighs the reward and if you allowed yourselves to use rational thinking, you could probably understand Ben's pov.

b) Blindly defending the casino in a situation where somebody is claiming to have been profiled and racially targeted isn't a good look, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself that he's wrong for feeling how he feels.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#874 » by thenbaman » Wed Aug 7, 2019 1:30 am

yawn......
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#875 » by notericjr » Wed Aug 7, 2019 1:45 am

stormi wrote:
downtownpie wrote:
stormi wrote:Australia profiling again? Color me shocked



Simmons has handled the last couple of weeks very poorly. If your going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. He says how proud he is to be an aussie then let down a massive amount of people by not playing in Melbourne. The story about team chemistry is crap. He can't play 5 mins a quarter in his home town yet Donavan Mitchell and Jason Tatum can travel half way around the world to play.

Yesterdays Crown casino story was the icing on the cake. Crown would have every race of people on earth on the gambling floor. To suggest they profile is rubbish.

No one gets in if you look under 25, wear camo pants (which are banned as well) and refused to show id. He later showed id and went in.

He also forgot to mention he was staying in a Crown villa, which they provided for free.


Truth is:

a) Most players and people in general are proud of their ethnic homeland, including Ben, who's been in Australia hosting camps and giving back to the community he holds a piece of inside of him.

Him choosing pass on the FIBA (irrelevant) world cup tournament doesn't conflict this. Almost every star player, besides Kemba and Jokic bowed out. The timing is unfortunate and I'm sure all of the players would love to be out there, but with training camp looming, and the beginning of a potential championship run for Simmons and the 76ers - a glorified exhibition tournament isn't worth the risk of burnout or injury.

I get being disappointed over something like this, but the disgusting amounts of backlash reek of entitlement. The risk for Ben far outweighs the reward and if you allowed yourselves to use rational thinking, you could probably understand Ben's pov.

b) Blindly defending the casino in a situation where somebody is claiming to have been profiled and racially targeted isn't a good look, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself that he's wrong for feeling how he feels.


RE:the exhibition, you need to add more context.

he originally withdrew from the world cup but said he was going to play in the exhibition matches in melbourne...and even did promotional work with basketball australia.

he was the main attraction, people aren't going to melbourne to watch jonah bolden play.... a lot of people spent a lot of money to watch him play and then he decided to withdraw from that as well. This gets exasperated further when the promoters tell the ticket holders that there are no refunds. there is no way that, that could be spun positively in ben's favor lol...expecting the general public (especially newer basketball fans) that they should of 'known better' is ridiculous. you ever spend hundreds of $$$ (possibly thousands) on tickets and accommodation to go to a festival only to find out the headline act has dropped out?

b) blindly defending? are we really going this route?

because unlike ben, the casino actually presented evidence and backed their claims with cctv footage and actual witness accounts that detailed the whole ordeal. in contrast ben has 1 instagram story that he ended up deleting. the burden is on him as the accuser to present some evidence and proof of his claims.

what type of society do you want to live in where your 'feels' are going to determine how everyone should act and operate?

you know what really isn't a good look? accusing a minority security guard of racism just because he asked you for some ID
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#876 » by Bum Adebayo » Wed Aug 7, 2019 1:47 am

What is this load of BS? people blasting Simmons for absolutely nothing. Dude will come with a wet jumper next season and all the haters will shut up!
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#877 » by notericjr » Wed Aug 7, 2019 1:58 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:What is this load of BS? people blasting Simmons for absolutely nothing. Dude will come with a wet jumper next season and all the haters will shut up!

hehe i personally dont give a **** what he does outside of basketball as long as that jumper is WET

but its the offseason, not a lot to talk about
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Post#878 » by Negrodamus » Wed Aug 7, 2019 1:59 am

downtownpie wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Sounds like there’s a running log of reasons why Australians are pissed off at Ben, lol.


A guy called up a local radio station last week and said he was flying in from Alice Springs to see the Boomers v Usa game. Had spent 6K on vip game tickets plus airfares and accom. Probably 10K all up and then Simmons pulled out. There are lots of stories like this. They sold tickets for $450 + in the top deck of a football stadium and people paid it to see him play.

We give our sports stars a lot of love and just want a little back.


I mean, it sucks for that guy, but Ben can add $30 mil to his contract if he just makes all NBA third team. I can understand not wanting to risk injury in an exhibition game.

All the other stuff is noise that is apparently exacerbating the anger of Australians, I guess.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#879 » by Simmons25 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 2:31 am

notericjr wrote:
stormi wrote:Truth is:

a) Most players and people in general are proud of their ethnic homeland, including Ben, who's been in Australia hosting camps and giving back to the community he holds a piece of inside of him.

Him choosing pass on the FIBA (irrelevant) world cup tournament doesn't conflict this. Almost every star player, besides Kemba and Jokic bowed out. The timing is unfortunate and I'm sure all of the players would love to be out there, but with training camp looming, and the beginning of a potential championship run for Simmons and the 76ers - a glorified exhibition tournament isn't worth the risk of burnout or injury.

I get being disappointed over something like this, but the disgusting amounts of backlash reek of entitlement. The risk for Ben far outweighs the reward and if you allowed yourselves to use rational thinking, you could probably understand Ben's pov.

b) Blindly defending the casino in a situation where somebody is claiming to have been profiled and racially targeted isn't a good look, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself that he's wrong for feeling how he feels.


RE:the exhibition, you need to add more context.

he originally withdrew from the world cup but said he was going to play in the exhibition matches in melbourne...and even did promotional work with basketball australia.

he was the main attraction, people aren't going to melbourne to watch jonah bolden play.... a lot of people spent a lot of money to watch him play and then he decided to withdraw from that as well. This gets exasperated further when the promoters tell the ticket holders that there are no refunds. there is no way that, that could be spun positively in ben's favor lol...expecting the general public (especially newer basketball fans) that they should of 'known better' is ridiculous. you ever spend hundreds of $$$ (possibly thousands) on tickets and accommodation to go to a festival only to find out the headline act has dropped out?

b) blindly defending? are we really going this route?

because unlike ben, the casino actually presented evidence and backed their claims with cctv footage and actual witness accounts that detailed the whole ordeal. in contrast ben has 1 instagram story that he ended up deleting. the burden is on him as the accuser to present some evidence and proof of his claims.

what type of society do you want to live in where your 'feels' are going to determine how everyone should act and operate?

you know what really isn't a good look? accusing a minority security guard of racism just because he asked you for some ID


Yeah a fair few comments here from people that don't understand the political situation in Australia right now.

Forget about the exhibition games and world cup... that is irrelevant to this most recent situation at the casino. People in the majority still backed him for pulling out of the world cup and exhibition games... hell I was happy as anything that he wasn't playing and instead working on his jumper.

The real issue here is the racial division and race baiting that Simmons seems intent on generating in Australia even BEFORE this Casino incident. That stuff may fly in the US but Australia politically is a very different situation and as I said earlier Simmons has hitched his wagon to a guy in Australia that is one of the most divisive and disliked people in the country. When you understand who this guy is... you will understand why Simmons suddenly claiming to be racially profiled has people wondering what this guy's end game is.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#880 » by downtownpie » Wed Aug 7, 2019 2:48 am

stormi wrote:
downtownpie wrote:
stormi wrote:Australia profiling again? Color me shocked



Simmons has handled the last couple of weeks very poorly. If your going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk. He says how proud he is to be an aussie then let down a massive amount of people by not playing in Melbourne. The story about team chemistry is crap. He can't play 5 mins a quarter in his home town yet Donavan Mitchell and Jason Tatum can travel half way around the world to play.

Yesterdays Crown casino story was the icing on the cake. Crown would have every race of people on earth on the gambling floor. To suggest they profile is rubbish.

No one gets in if you look under 25, wear camo pants (which are banned as well) and refused to show id. He later showed id and went in.

He also forgot to mention he was staying in a Crown villa, which they provided for free.


Truth is:

a) Most players and people in general are proud of their ethnic homeland, including Ben, who's been in Australia hosting camps and giving back to the community he holds a piece of inside of him.

Him choosing pass on the FIBA (irrelevant) world cup tournament doesn't conflict this. Almost every star player, besides Kemba and Jokic bowed out. The timing is unfortunate and I'm sure all of the players would love to be out there, but with training camp looming, and the beginning of a potential championship run for Simmons and the 76ers - a glorified exhibition tournament isn't worth the risk of burnout or injury.

I get being disappointed over something like this, but the disgusting amounts of backlash reek of entitlement. The risk for Ben far outweighs the reward and if you allowed yourselves to use rational thinking, you could probably understand Ben's pov.

b) Blindly defending the casino in a situation where somebody is claiming to have been profiled and racially targeted isn't a good look, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself that he's wrong for feeling how he feels.



When he says he is playing on multiple occasions and then doesn't when he is in Melbourne on holidays ( a govt funded junket btw) people are entitled to be annoyed.

Do me a favor and dont say I'm defending the casino when I am not. I hate the place and have been kicked out just like half of Melbourne.

The more that comes out about his trip it appears there is an agenda. If that's right he might end up playing for Usa.

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