Ricky Rubio named FIBA MVP

Johnny Firpo · Post #81 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:12 am

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:
XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Could this team even win 30 games in the NBA?

No, but does this really mean what you probably imply?

What I'm implying is that the NBA and FIBA are fundamentally different in a way that really doesn't reflect the presumed talent of players.

If that is what you implied, then we certainly agree.

zgope1 · Post #82 » by **zgope1** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:15 am

Mills was better. Rubio is a flopping hack

lobishome · Post #83 » by **lobishome** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:19 am

zgope1 wrote:Mills was better. Rubio is a flopping hack

yellowknifer · Post #84 » by **yellowknifer** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:54 am

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Crives wrote:
XxIronChainzxX wrote:
What I'm implying is that the NBA and FIBA are fundamentally different in a way that really doesn't reflect the presumed talent of players.

You mean playing smart team basketball will beat a team of fringe nba stars?

NBA star - singular - and that depends on how you rank Kemba. My point is that under NBA rules this team loses on a nightly basis.

That team is solid in the NBA - very solid in almost every way. Only guy who might get picked on is Scola.

AdagioPace · Post #85 » by **AdagioPace** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:21 am

in before......jokes about FIBA competitions not being correct basketball.
I'm too late it seems!

FlatearthZorro · Post #86 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:28 am

Btw, to me, if Argentina won somehow, would've been awesome for Scola to be MVP. I like Spain a ton, but Argentina was such a great Cinderella type story.

Mirotic12 · Post #87 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:50 pm

dc wrote:
udfa wrote:It seemed like everyone was polarized on Rubio in the 09 draft, either awesome or bust, but he's just been a really solid NBA player his whole career. Looking forward to seeing him dish for Phoenix this year

Yeah, he's a good solid PG who can pass and defend. Been so pretty much all of his career.

He was ultra hyped up coming into the 2009 draft. People were talking about him like he was some wunderkind/prodigy who was some combo of Kidd/Magic/Stockton. I assumed that was true, but when I watched his HIGHLIGHTS I didn't see any of that. I just saw a solid player who happened to be 17 at the time.

I think a lot of his hype just came from his productive FIBA play, which was mature beyond his years. And he looked good in 2008 vs. Team USA, IIRC. He's just a better FIBA player than he is NBA player.

Rubio was never good in FIBA play before he was drafted. In fact, this is probably the first FIBA tournament that he ever played well in.

dhsilv2 · Post #88 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:58 pm

pootbrah wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
pootbrah wrote:
Legit

**** hate Rubio after his flopping and whinging now after having complete neutral feelings towards him his entire career and this just adds salt to my fresh emotional wounds :'(

I'd see a doctor about that.

Me: Hey doc Im feeling pretty glum about Aus not even getting a medal at the WC after winning 6 in a row and looking good for the gold.

Doc: that's no good here's some antidepressant medication.

Honestly not even funny that's how the world works these days

Find an old school doctor with some big old boots. You know where he'll go with that ; )

Mirotic12 · Post #89 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:10 pm

In case anyone here is interested, here are all of the FIBA World CUP MVPs:

No NBA players allowed to play (1950 to 1990):

1950 Oscar Furlong (Argentina) (FIBA HOF)
1954 Kirby Minter (USA)
1959 Amaury Pasos (Brazil) (FIBA HOF)
1963 Wlamir Marques (Brazil)
1967 Ivo Daneu (SFR Yugoslavia) (FIBA HOF)
1970 Sergei Belov (USSR) (Basketball HOF & FIBA HOF)
1974 Dragan Kićanović (SFR Yugoslavia) (FIBA HOF)
1978 Dražen Dalipagić (SFR Yugoslavia) (Basketball HOF & FIBA HOF)
1982 Rolando Frazer (Panama)
1986 Dražen Petrović (SFR Yugoslavia) (Basketball HOF & FIBA HOF)
1990 Toni Kukoč (SFR Yugoslavia) (FIBA HOF)

NBA players allowed to play (1994 to present):

1994 Shaquille O'Neal (USA) (Basketball HOF & FIBA HOF)
1998 Dejan Bodiroga (FR Yugoslavia)
2002 Dirk Nowitzki (Germany)
2006 Pau Gasol (Spain)
2010 Kevin Durant (USA)
2014 Kyrie Irving (USA)
2019 Ricky Rubio (Spain)

BUANIX · Post #90 » by **BUANIX** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:41 pm

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:All tournament team was :

Ricky Rubio
Bogdan Bogdanović
Evan Fournier
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol

Could this team even win 30 games in the NBA?

With good role players ( FIBA style ) definitely yes . And maybe it is the moment to absorbe something from the FIBA style and forget about the crazy shooting and 1x1 tactics

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Wolf of Ball St · Post #91 » by **Wolf of Ball St** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:48 pm

RICKYYYYYY!!!

AbeVigodaLive · Post #92 » by **AbeVigodaLive** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:07 pm

Hugi Mancura wrote:
mixerball wrote:
Crives wrote:
Not sure how to respond..... you realize this “competition” involved playing basketball right?

and "playing basketball" is enough reason to equate this competition and nba basketball?

dragic had a below average season in the nba after being mvp of the euro championships.

Rubio still might be the second worst signing. No-one can beat Rozier. With Rubio you need to give him the ball and does he get the ball with Booker? You can sign Lebron with max contract and if you put Lebron to stand in the corner waiting for someone to pass him the ball he would be worst signing of the season. You still need to use your players correctly and if you don't them he will be playing badly.

Everybody is well aware of Rubio's shooting limitations. That being said...

40.4%
41.8%
40.4%

vs.

38.7%
39.5%
36.7%

Granted, Rozier is close to an average three point shooter... and Rubio is not. But Rubio is actually a very good foul shoter, at 85% or higher for four straight seasons.

Yallbecrazy · Post #93 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:14 pm

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:All tournament team was :

Ricky Rubio
Bogdan Bogdanović
Evan Fournier
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol

Could this team even win 30 games in the NBA?

They would probably win 70 and ship if you have Curry, Lebron, Kawhi, Beal, and Towns coming off the bench

LightTheBeam · Post #94 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:37 pm

Bogdan Bogdanovic looked awesome. 22.9/4.4/4.1 35/66 from 3 pt range.

I just hope that he doesn't tire out during the season from going to hard here.

UcanUwill · Post #95 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:56 pm

dc wrote:
udfa wrote:It seemed like everyone was polarized on Rubio in the 09 draft, either awesome or bust, but he's just been a really solid NBA player his whole career. Looking forward to seeing him dish for Phoenix this year

Yeah, he's a good solid PG who can pass and defend. Been so pretty much all of his career.

He was ultra hyped up coming into the 2009 draft. People were talking about him like he was some wunderkind/prodigy who was some combo of Kidd/Magic/Stockton. I assumed that was true, but when I watched his HIGHLIGHTS I didn't see any of that. I just saw a solid player who happened to be 17 at the time.

I think a lot of his hype just came from his productive FIBA play, which was mature beyond his years. And he looked good in 2008 vs. Team USA, IIRC. He's just a better FIBA player than he is NBA player.

Rubio was so good as 17 year old its not even funny. He is goat pre 18 year old without a doubt. His IQ, vision and ability to play defense at elite level at age 16 and 17 was unseen, he was so natural he leaves guys like Sabonis or Pau in shame. That said he peaked in his teens, he really did. I know people will say he is much better scorer right now, but he is also worse defender compared to his super quick pesky teen version.

That said, he was never productive FIBA or Euroleague player. He just could not shoot, and perimeter guys who cant shoot are toasts in FIBA and Europe. His selling point always was that he is much better NBA fit than Euro player, and thats true. His draft self was so promising its absurd, but the redflags became very evident before he stepped on NBA floor. IF you remember, he was drafted right out of mediocre Juventud team, but he decided to spend 2 more years in Spain by signing with Barcelona. Years paseed and he showed zero improvement. He joined Minny 2 years later and he wasnt a lick better than he was when he was drafted. If anything he got exposed a ton, since his Euroleague stats were hurrendously bad, but Rubio always was the player with terrible stats but big positive impact in actual games, just my point is that he just didnt improve on anything.

He was such a natural 16 year old its amazing how he couldnt improve on that more. Its like he got a gift to play basketball so well by the snap of the fingers, but that was it, he couldnt build on it at all. What he didnt got just naturally, he never acquired that.

UcanUwill · Post #96 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:59 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Bogdan Bogdanovic looked awesome. 22.9/4.4/4.1 35/66 from 3 pt range.

I just hope that he doesn't tire out during the season from going to hard here.

Best player in the tournament, better than Jokic.

Danny1616 · Post #97 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:01 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
dc wrote:
udfa wrote:It seemed like everyone was polarized on Rubio in the 09 draft, either awesome or bust, but he's just been a really solid NBA player his whole career. Looking forward to seeing him dish for Phoenix this year

Yeah, he's a good solid PG who can pass and defend. Been so pretty much all of his career.

He was ultra hyped up coming into the 2009 draft. People were talking about him like he was some wunderkind/prodigy who was some combo of Kidd/Magic/Stockton. I assumed that was true, but when I watched his HIGHLIGHTS I didn't see any of that. I just saw a solid player who happened to be 17 at the time.

I think a lot of his hype just came from his productive FIBA play, which was mature beyond his years. And he looked good in 2008 vs. Team USA, IIRC. He's just a better FIBA player than he is NBA player.

Rubio was so good as 17 year old its not even funny. He is goat pre 18 year old without a doubt. His IQ, vision and ability to play defense at elite level at age 16 and 17 was unseen, he was so natural he leaves guys like Sabonis or Pau in shame. That said he peaked in his teens, he really did. I know people will say he is much better scorer right now, but he is also worse defender compared to his super quick pesky teen version.

That said, he was never productive FIBA or Euroleague player. He just could not shoot, and perimeter guys who cant shoot are toasts in FIBA and Europe. His selling point always was that he is much better NBA fit than Euro player, and thats true. His draft self was so promising its absurd, but the redflags became very evident before he stepped on NBA floor. IF you remember, he was drafted right out of mediocre Juventud team, but he decided to spend 2 more years in Spain by signing with Barcelona. Years paseed and he showed zero improvement. He joined Minny 2 years later and he wasnt a lick better than he was when he was drafted. If anything he got exposed a ton, since his Euroleague stats were hurrendously bad, but Rubio always was the player with terrible stats but big positive impact in actual games, just my point is that he just didnt improve on anything.

He was such a natural 16 year old its amazing how he couldnt improve on that more. Its like he got a gift to play basketball so well by the snap of the fingers, but that was it, he couldnt build on it at all. What he didnt got just naturally, he never acquired that.

Injuries also really hurt his development, as well as his quickness/explosiveness.

Rubio was 2nd in rookie of the year voting before he tore his ACL.

He's also had a lot of injury issues since then.

UcanUwill · Post #98 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:11 pm

Danny1616 wrote:Injuries also really hurt his development, as well as his quickness/explosiveness.

Rubio was 2nd in rookie of the year voting before he tore his ACL.

He's also had a lot of injury issues since then.

I am huge fan of his, and remember his rookie season very well. This is an unpopular opinion, but I still think his rookie season is his best NBA season. He was so impactful and opposition wasnt very well prepared for him yet.

I remember Kyrie Irving saying that first thing he does when he wakes up, he checks out Rubios stats, because that ROY race was real, mostly everyone thought Kyrie is ROY, but Rubio was close.

I remember looking some stats 25 games into that season, Minny was like 10-15, Adelman not starting RIcky for his first 10 games, but I came across to a stat that told you everything about Rubio. His total +/- 25 games into the season, not only was hugely positive, showing that is 10-15 is winning when hes on the court, but his total +/- was better than Kevin Durants or Russell Wesbrooks, guys who had record like 17-7 or something like that.

I watched most Minny games that year and I really believe he was their MVP, most valuable and impactful player, even tho they literally had a guy who averaged 25 and 15. But thats just what it was, one of the greatest intangibles guy ever versus one of the biggest empty stats guy ever, so when you put everything together, it starts to make sense.

That injury was such a shame. Of course he got injured by playing help defense, one of his main traits, amazing help defense and positioning at PG position, he was closing in on Kobe and it just snapped.

davinci79 · Post #99 » by **davinci79** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:11 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Rubio was so good as 17 year old its not even funny. He is goat pre 18 year old without a doubt. His IQ, vision and ability to play defense at elite level at age 16 and 17 was unseen, he was so natural he leaves guys like Sabonis or Pau in shame. That said he peaked in his teens, he really did. I know people will say he is much better scorer right now, but he is also worse defender compared to his super quick pesky teen version.

He is worse defender right now because of the knee injury. He lost the elite quickness he had. Before that he could stop and frustate any point guard in the planet.

In2ition · Post #100 » by **In2ition** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:45 pm

Dacost wrote:I still think it's an awful signing from the suns his shot will eventually go away.

Money wise is just not worth it.

I don't get this take at all. I think we need to flush out this line of thought, since this is a common take among many around the league. Can you please explain why you think this is so?
1. It didn't really hurt their cap space at all and still can have up to $32 mil in cap space available in the next 2 off-seasons.
2. They got a top 15 PG, who is the 16th highest paid PG in the league.
3. The Suns were probably going to have to overpay for any PG this past summer, no matter who it was.
4. The Suns needed a pass first pg more than almost anything and Ricky is one of the best in the league.
5. They also needed a vet that can play defense and is a decent rebounder.
6. Rubio does a lot of things that don't show up in the stat line, but help a team win.
7. Suns had the WORST PG rotation in NBA league history last year to start the season (Canaan, Melton, Okobo). Let that sink in for a second.
8. Rubio has shown that he helps bigs and swings have their best seasons of their careers, or help them immensely when they are starting out. (ie. Wiggins, Pekovic, Towns, Gobert, Mitchell) I'm curious what he does with Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Oubre, Johnson, and Saric.