Pascal Siakam - The 170 Million Dollar Man

[HiMyNameIsTrey]

It's still so hard to believe that this guy is on the verge of becoming the highest paid Raptor ever. What a find by the scouts.

It's interesting that in '15 and '16, the lower drafted player was actually the one that vastly exceeded expectations and fit into the long-term plans of the team (Delon/Norm + Jak/Pascal)

Delon is gonna have a better season next year then Norm ever will tbh

Didn't say Norm > Delon at all, I love Delon's game and wish he got a bigger role with us. I said expectations. Norm was a 2nd rounder traded for Vasquez and he's still here and helped us win a couple playoff series. Siakam was an afterthought while we wanted to see how good Poeltl was who we got for the precious Bargs first rounder.

[Psubs]

Honestly if I’m him and the team I’m really pushing for an extension where you give up 5-10% of the money but that way you don’t risk injury and cost yourself 100 million but the team gets a little discount

Agreed, look at IT. 4 year extension at $120 million.

[BBallG]

An injury could cost him 100+ mil (Cousins/IT) ... if i were close to him I'd tell him to sign something reasonable (20~ mil/yr ) asap and guarantee you and your family's future, then worry about max contract BS in 4 years when you're already set for life and still in your prime. Forget the greedy **** your agent will feed you so they can get a bigger cut cause they're not the one risking it all, you are.

[vbmeer]

Those hoping to retain him for Ibaka-Gasol level money should understand that basically means he doesn't play all that well (i.e the games where he puts up 20 points in 22 shot attempts) or gets injured for the bulk of the season.

If those want to hype him up as a top tier (top 20) player then that also means facing the reality of paying him what the market has established as a baseline.

[Raps in 4]

170 million for a guy who's only had ONE good year and hasnt even been an All-Star yet. Sure! Why not. Give him $300 million even! and a key to the city! and His own private Island in Hawaii! SMH. The amount of homerism on this board is approaching ridiculous levels. Lets wait AFTER this year to see if this guy can actually become a #1 option and make the All-Star team. Last year he was great for sure but lets not forget that he was playing beside a top 3 player in the world attracting double and triple teams on every possession. I need to see him repeat last years numbers AS A #1 OPTION before i crown him the King of Toronto.

He put up elite numbers last season. If he can repeat that production this year, he would be worth every penny of a $170 million contract. That's the objective truth.

[yellowknifer]

He will be making more than that after he wins MVP FMVP DPOY and MIP again. Plus the 1st team all NBA.

[libertyYYZ]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/255395/NBA-Estimating-$116M-Salary-Cap-For-20-21-$125M-For-21-22
>>> The luxury tax line for 20-21 is $141 million with 21-22 coming in at $151 million. <<<

So, Siakam at 5/$170M is 23% of team salary without going into the luxury tax in 21-22. Sign him up! It reminds me of people quivering about Valanciunas getting $16M/year which seems like a bargain in today's dollars. Siakim is on a path to top-20 talent, so buy into his path and let the kid show his talent.

[J-Roc]

Some chatter at 2:37.

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[Jcity08]

He'll be in his prime years at the end of that 5 year contract. If he continues his growth into a superstar, this will be looked back at as a bargain.

I'd rather we invest in him as our home grown star and trust Masai builds a team to compliment his strengths and to compensate his weaknesses.

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Let's say he take a positive step and becomes a serviceable #1 option who has a strong regular season, but with clear flaws in that role in the playoffs. Would you risk trying to bargain him down to sub 30 million (12%-15% less than max per annum) in risk of him balking and souring the relationship with an uncertain core of players remaining after this season?

Yes.

There's no reason to pay now. Salary cap flexibility, a year of injury insurance and Siakam can prove that he's a genuine star (who are actually underpaid in the salary cap system, rather than paying him his actual value right now).

There is no value in the salary cap flexibility it would offer next summer. The free agent class is pathetic. He's the best one in it and will fetch the max. So why alienate the player?

[Kinger95]

Trade him to the suns for 6 -1st rounders.

Could build a dynasty if we sold everything we have right now while there’s value. Honestly we lost our best player and Kyle and Marc have 1 year left or 2. Teams gonna have to rebuild no matter what

[vbmeer]

Trade him to the suns for 6 -1st rounders.

Could build a dynasty if we sold everything we have right now while there’s value. Honestly we lost our best player and Kyle and Marc have 1 year left or 2. Teams gonna have to rebuild no matter what

There is an inevitability that the "Trade Siakam, end the madness" movement will happen during the duration of his next deal, possibly sooner than anyone would like to believe. The question becomes if just having Siakam and a bunch of question marks is worth going through on the moderately slim chance Masai signs another max player 2 years from now, and if he is unable to, what to do with Siakam afterwards or just tear everything down and start from a boosted scratch.

[Rapsfan07]

170 million for a guy who's only had ONE good year and hasnt even been an All-Star yet. Sure! Why not. Give him $300 million even! and a key to the city! and His own private Island in Hawaii! SMH. The amount of homerism on this board is approaching ridiculous levels. Lets wait AFTER this year to see if this guy can actually become a #1 option and make the All-Star team. Last year he was great for sure but lets not forget that he was playing beside a top 3 player in the world attracting double and triple teams on every possession. I need to see him repeat last years numbers AS A #1 OPTION before i crown him the King of Toronto.

Unbelievable how these guys are thinking here.

Look, unless Siakam's camp is willing to give us a discount, it makes absolutely no sense for us to max him now.

1. He could play next year and get seriously injured.
2. He might not perform the same as a Number 1 option.

So why outbid ourselves when we have his rights anyway? Let him go on the court and prove that he's a max guy. If he is, then I'd be happy to pay. Other teams will offer the max and we can simply match and keep him and if he's not the real deal, we can pay him what he's actually worth.

All y'all on here clamouring for a max deal right now are the same one's that didn't like how Colangelo used to do business. I don't understand it.

Anyways, I think Siakam is definitely a stud but I'm not sold on him being a James/Harden/Curry/Leonard type star so I'm not going to pay him like that. If he turns out to be that however, I'd be more than happy to pay that man.

[TheBoi10]

Let's say he take a positive step and becomes a serviceable #1 option who has a strong regular season, but with clear flaws in that role in the playoffs. Would you risk trying to bargain him down to sub 30 million (12%-15% less than max per annum) in risk of him balking and souring the relationship with an uncertain core of players remaining after this season?

Yes.

There's no reason to pay now. Salary cap flexibility, a year of injury insurance and Siakam can prove that he's a genuine star (who are actually underpaid in the salary cap system, rather than paying him his actual value right now).

There is no value in the salary cap flexibility it would offer next summer. The free agent class is pathetic. He's the best one in it and will fetch the max. So why alienate the player?

That's incorrect, we can take on expiring deals for draft picks with the additional space.

[firekil]

Come hell or high water we’re going to sink or swim with him for the next 5 years!

triggered

[vbmeer]

When Siakam signs the max in the next 12 months, will he be a Raptor for all 5 years? A lot of things can change.

If Jamal Murray was playing on the Raptors with Jokic setting him up, and he put up the same stats as he did to gain his respective max, the fanbase would be very anxious and be ready to attack the guy. And he's clearly the #2 option. Pascal could easily be determined as a #2 or #3 masquerading as a #1 (similar to Derozan's reputation).