KP is looking much more strong and healthy

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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#61 » by bran muffin » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:30 pm

shtolky wrote:Ah so Carlisle is only a magician and a fixer when it fits your narrative. He is a very good coach but couldn't do anything with the players I mentioned (you conveniently ignored Barnes and Smith), but now he's going to fix KP and all of his issues that you are ignoring.

Barnes was a far better player with Dallas than he ever was with the Warriors. He is actually a great example of Carlisle taking a mediocre 11 ppg roleplayer and making him look better than he really is. As for DSJ... has he done anything in NY that makes you think Carlisle didn't already get the most out of him? It's still too soon to claim the Mavs coaching staff failed to unlock his potential. I suspect they already did, but I'll withhold judgement until after the season.

Like I always tell Mavs fans: Don't blame the coach for not turning turd into gold. Blame the GM for bringing him a turd to begin with.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#62 » by matt6715 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:31 pm

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shtolky wrote:Why didn't Carlisle fix Tim Hardaway, Jr.?


Because there's nothing to fix. He was never a good player to begin with.

THJ is a scrub that you geniuses signed to a gargantuan contract. You guys were the ones who thought he could turn into a future All-Star. We here in Dallas recognize him for what he is --- a bench player with a ridiculous contract, and the price we paid to get Porzingis into Dallas.



Ah so Carlisle is only a magician and a fixer when it fits your narrative. He is a very good coach but couldn't do anything with the players I mentioned (you conveniently ignored Barnes and Smith), but now he's going to fix KP and all of his issues that you are ignoring.


Casual NBA fans shockingly overrate player rebounding numbers. Here's a statistic that actually matters - the Knicks were much, much better rebounding as a team when KP was on the floor vs. when he was off of it.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#63 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:31 pm

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Capn'O wrote:Has he learned how to box out and secure rebounds?


Has Mills learned how to not hand out stupid contracts and use the Franchise Player to dump them 1.5 years later and trying to sell the new cap flexibility as huge win?


a 7"3 mobile, athletic PF who played less games every season since his rookie year. Good Luck bro


we traded an athletic PG (who we didnt need anymore with Luka and Brunson), who tore an ACL early in his career and played in his first two NBA seasons 16 games less than KP because of injuries. We are fine bro
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#65 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:34 pm

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DimesandKnicks wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
Has Mills learned how to not hand out stupid contracts and use the Franchise Player to dump them 1.5 years later and trying to sell the new cap flexibility as huge win?


a 7"3 mobile, athletic PF who played less games every season since his rookie year. Good Luck bro


we traded an athletic PG (who we didnt need anymore with Luka and Brunson), who tore an ACL early in his career and played in his first two NBA seasons 16 games less than KP because of injuries. We are fine bro


and 2 first round picks. I hope he doesn't complain about being tired 30 games in or get into any more bar fights. We're fine too.
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Post#66 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:36 pm

Couldnt care less about the picks. One is protected and with the other one it takes some serious bad luck to end up better than #10.

He was never in a "bar fight" but of course you would write it like that, didnt expect less.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#67 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:36 pm

Swish1906 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
Has Mills learned how to not hand out stupid contracts and use the Franchise Player to dump them 1.5 years later and trying to sell the new cap flexibility as huge win?


a 7"3 mobile, athletic PF who played less games every season since his rookie year. Good Luck bro


we traded an athletic PG (who we didnt need anymore with Luka and Brunson), who tore an ACL early in his career and played in his first two NBA seasons 16 games less than KP because of injuries. We are fine bro



Don't forget the two picks :D
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#68 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:36 pm

matt6715 wrote:
shtolky wrote:
bran muffin wrote:
Because there's nothing to fix. He was never a good player to begin with.

THJ is a scrub that you geniuses signed to a gargantuan contract. You guys were the ones who thought he could turn into a future All-Star. We here in Dallas recognize him for what he is --- a bench player with a ridiculous contract, and the price we paid to get Porzingis into Dallas.



Ah so Carlisle is only a magician and a fixer when it fits your narrative. He is a very good coach but couldn't do anything with the players I mentioned (you conveniently ignored Barnes and Smith), but now he's going to fix KP and all of his issues that you are ignoring.


Casual NBA fans shockingly overrate player rebounding numbers. Here's a statistic that actually matters - the Knicks were much, much better rebounding as a team when KP was on the floor vs. when he was off of it.


I think the amount of rebounds he averages is a greater reflection of his abilities as a rebounder than the amount of rebounds his team averages when he's on the floor.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#69 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:41 pm

Swish1906 wrote:Couldnt care less about the picks. One is protected and with the other one it takes some serious bad luck to end up better than #10.

He was never in a "bar fight" but of course you would write it like that, didnt expect less.


I don't know you, you shouldn't expect anything.

Bad luck like a 7''3 Pf coming off of injury getting hurt again? I wonder how he'll fair in the West tbh. And eff a top 10, we got Mitch in the 2nd round.

Does altercation at a bar do it for you? I wonder what his reputation would be if he was American born. We'd probably be calling him a Diva/ trouble maker with everything he's ad going on including skipping out on his exit meetings and essentially demanding a trade. I'm fine with not giving him $150 Million. Just wish we would have been able to get at least a second rounder for DJ.
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Post#70 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:42 pm

The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#71 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:45 pm

Swish1906 wrote:The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.





This is silly since Embiid, Davis and Gobert are top notch shot blockers that can also rebound the ball.

KP is a terrible rebounder, he has a weak base and gets pushed off his spots, maybe he can improve but he has never shown the ability to rebound.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#72 » by gh123 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:45 pm

Lol, rc is the worst coach a young player could have. I don't care about DSJ, but saying rc already unlocked his potential is ridiculous.
KP didn't want to stay in NY and they got a decent deal for him (picks, good salary relief + a potentially starter at Pg). Ofc they didn't get a star with all that cap space, but as a Mavs fan I really couldn't care less about whom NYK signed. What I care about is that we have 0 picks in the next several years (which is aight, lol, coz rc would ruin them anyway) and we have dead 35 mil/year for the next 5 years. We could avoid that situation, but no, they had to rush it. Now we're gonna be a 7-10th first round fodder until Luka's contract expires and I wont be mad at all if he leaves.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#73 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:46 pm

Swish1906 wrote:The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.


They are great rebounders because there great rebounders. There are plenty of shotblockers who are capable of averaging double digit rebounds. Who aren't athletic or 7''3. Have you ever even watched Porzingiz play?
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Post#74 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:47 pm

DimesandKnicks wrote:I don't know you, you shouldn't expect anything.


You are on a message board, you get judged by stuff you write...so yeah i know that to expevt from you.


And eff a top 10, we got Mitch in the 2nd round.


Great argument. Because getting a steal late in the 1st or even in the 2nd happens every year...sure.


Does altercation at a bar do it for you?


No, that also doesnt describe that happened. Try again. Maybe read some details about that night.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#75 » by shtolky » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:48 pm

Swish1906 wrote:The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.



This is absolutely false. We saw him play for 2.5 seasons, every game, and he simply was a poor rebounder for his size. It had nothing to do with him going for blocks. Most Knick fans will tell you this. Not saying he won't improve as a Mav, or hasn't improved technique already, but he was 100% a poor rebounder relative to his size. There are plenty of big men who block shots and also rebound the ball well (Gobert, Embiid, Whiteside, Davis, Drummond, Towns, Giannis, etc.). KP was constantly out muscled for both offensive and defensive rebounds. He was around the basket a ton.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#76 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:49 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.





This is silly since Embiid, Davis and Gobert are top notch shot blockers that can also rebound the ball.

KP is a terrible rebounder, he has a weak base and gets pushed off his spots, maybe he can improve but he has never shown the ability to rebound.


Players learned pretty quickly last year that in order to guard Porzi...you put an arm on him.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#77 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:52 pm

DimesandKnicks wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:The way you play impacts your rebounding numbers because trying to block shots is hurting your box out / generall rebounding position.

Kevin Love or Boozer had great rebounding numbers because they literally not even tried to block any shot at all. KP could pull a Kevin Love and end up with higher rebounding numbers. At offense he plays often a stretch-4, also hurting his offensive rebounding numbers.

So the "bad rebounder" is the result of the way he plays and not BECAUSE he is a bad rebounder.


They are great rebounders because there great rebounders. There are plenty of shotblockers who are capable of averaging double digit rebounds. Who aren't athletic or 7''3. Have you ever even watched Porzingiz play?


No there arent plenty. For both you need an incredible fast 2nd jump or general dominance and not many have that. Thats why the league isnt filled with Rudy Goberts.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#78 » by DimesandKnicks » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:52 pm

Swish1906 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:I don't know you, you shouldn't expect anything.


You are on a message board, you get judged by stuff you write...so yeah i know that to expevt from you.


And eff a top 10, we got Mitch in the 2nd round.


Great argument. Because getting a steal late in the 1st or even in the 2nd happens every year...sure.


Does altercation at a bar do it for you?


No, that also doesnt describe that happened. Try again. Maybe read some details about that night.


This is a bar, and the blood on his forehead would suggest an altercation. Don't know what you'd call it on your block. And pushing a women out the way? Lucky he isn't Demarcus Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=6SAgmKqdGvA
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#79 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:54 pm

DimesandKnicks wrote:
This is a bar, and the blood on his forehead would suggest an altercation. Don't know what you'd call it on your block. And pushing a women out the way? Lucky he isn't Demarcus Cousins.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=6SAgmKqdGvA[/youtube]


Ah okay, again proving you know nothing about it except the video.
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Re: KP is looking much more strong and healthy 

Post#80 » by jstudabaka » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Doesn't mean a damn thing until he shows he can go 6 weeks without being weighed down by injury or fatigue

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