The thing about Porzingis...

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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#61 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:07 pm

Jellybeans wrote:
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DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Why will Knicks fans be salty if both teams can very well win this trade?


I did not mean to include all fans of both teams but it pretty obvious in the responses. Mavs fans are ignoring the injury/durability/stamina problems. Some Knicks fans are acting like he is trash.

Your statement is closer to the truth. If KP did not want to be in NY a trade was the only solution and the Knicks at least got a decent package in return.

Steven A Smith allready said that KP never asked for the trade :D


He also said Lebron and Durant were coming to NY
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#62 » by E-Balla » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:08 pm

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E-balla, stop playing man. You know that whole Dwight Howard line was supposed to be your drop the Mike moment and he destroyed it. Dont be wrong and strong. People love picking out one game or even one or two sequences to define someone's career. Try again.

With that said though I find it funny how there was nobody around to jump to KPs defense while he was on the Knicks but now hes a maverick and everybody loves them some KP. Of course it's the crappy Knicks. So tell me, who right now on the Knicks is actually a good player that you wont admit to until he leaves?

Bro what? We're discussing his defense at C. Y'all can't even defend it so you're switching the topic. Stop with the random nonsense. And you know for a damn fact I've been talking about his defense negatively since 2017 and saying he needed to stop being soft. Stop it.


You have, that's for sure. But I didn't think it was fair ball then. I mean, him being bigger now isnt that out of the ordinary.Its only year 4 for a player who came in at 19? Fans just didnt have patience. What you call softness is simply lack of physical maturity. I could think of a litany things he did that show he wasn't soft. I'm scared of how good hes gonna look this year with that added strength. I bet he starts doing all the things you wish he did in 2017

No one said he couldn't improve. I said I wanted to see the improvement. Him being soft is about his mentality and not his play.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#63 » by Juris » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:53 pm

E-Balla wrote:Him being soft is about his mentality and not his play.

Whaat? :crazy: Have you ever played basketball and know what it means to be a team leader?
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#64 » by YouthMovement » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:38 pm

there’s no doubt KP will be successful alongside Luka in dallas
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#65 » by RoxSteady » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:19 pm

Scalabrine wrote:I'm glad most people have hit the nail on the head here with KP.

I also think his rebounding concerns are a little overblown and his low numbers was mostly scheme based. He played alongside 2 very good rebounding Centers in Kanter and O'Quinn and Melo was also a good rebounding 3. He was mainly tasked for protecting the rim and contesting the shots while those guy grabbed the miss. He put up some really huge rebounding games in his rookie year.

He's a major impact player. We were battling for a playoff spot before he got injured and then went 4-26 or something close to that after he got hurt and Tim Hardaway Jr. and Enes Kanter became our best players. On a team with another legit scorer, plus a nice supporting cast, he should be better. The biggest factor for him will being able to stay healthy and on the court, it's a HUGE gamble that the Mavs took on his health but if it pays off, they're gonna have one of the best 1-2 punches in the NBA for the next decade.


They were 8 games under .500 when he went down.
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Post#66 » by NY 567 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:17 pm

He was 22 years old and was basically forced to take inefficient shots because we had no guards that could get him easy baskets and no one to run the PnR and PnP with. His efficiency is going to explode playing with Doncic, getting better as a player, and if he plays more Center. He has the potential to be a top 5 player in this league. His upside is still limitless. At worst he's gonna be an elite stretch 4/5 who is also an elite rim protector who can run the floor, finish in transition, and put the ball on the floor. That's a hell of a floor. His ceiling is doing whatever he wants out there on the floor and dominating in every conceivable way outside of rebounding. If he figures out his stamina and durability issues, it's over for the league, he was doing whatever he wanted with anyone he wanted to until he hit that wall. I think playing too much 4 and defending glorified 3s wore him and his 7'3 frame out
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#67 » by kamaze » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:27 pm

I hope KP stays healthy I always wondered why people wanted him to be a center when he clearly wasn't one. With him at power forward he was a good defender.

Nazrmohamed wrote:
Jellybeans wrote:
zonedefense wrote:
I did not mean to include all fans of both teams but it pretty obvious in the responses. Mavs fans are ignoring the injury/durability/stamina problems. Some Knicks fans are acting like he is trash.

Your statement is closer to the truth. If KP did not want to be in NY a trade was the only solution and the Knicks at least got a decent package in return.

Steven A Smith allready said that KP never asked for the trade :D


He also said Lebron and Durant were coming to NY


He was right about Durant just not to the team he expected. :lol:
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#68 » by Scalabrine » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:36 pm

RoxSteady wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:I'm glad most people have hit the nail on the head here with KP.

I also think his rebounding concerns are a little overblown and his low numbers was mostly scheme based. He played alongside 2 very good rebounding Centers in Kanter and O'Quinn and Melo was also a good rebounding 3. He was mainly tasked for protecting the rim and contesting the shots while those guy grabbed the miss. He put up some really huge rebounding games in his rookie year.

He's a major impact player. We were battling for a playoff spot before he got injured and then went 4-26 or something close to that after he got hurt and Tim Hardaway Jr. and Enes Kanter became our best players. On a team with another legit scorer, plus a nice supporting cast, he should be better. The biggest factor for him will being able to stay healthy and on the court, it's a HUGE gamble that the Mavs took on his health but if it pays off, they're gonna have one of the best 1-2 punches in the NBA for the next decade.


They were 8 games under .500 when he went down.


What's the point of this?

We were 22-25 when he was on the floor and 7-28 when he was injured. I didn't say we were a contender, but we were definitely in the playoff hunt when he went down. Probably wouldn't have made it, but my point still stands; he was the difference between us being the worst team in basketball (our record after he went down & last season) to being a team that was fighting for a playoff spot.

Are you trying to argue that he wasn't an impact player?
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#69 » by Alfred » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:39 pm

People continue to use FG% when a player shoots 5+ threes a game. Mind boggling.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#70 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:16 pm

kamaze wrote:I hope KP stays healthy I always wondered why people wanted him to be a center when he clearly wasn't one. With him at power forward he was a good defender.

Nazrmohamed wrote:
Jellybeans wrote:Steven A Smith allready said that KP never asked for the trade :D


He also said Lebron and Durant were coming to NY


He was right about Durant just not to the team he expected. :lol:


Actually you're right.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#71 » by antonac » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:39 pm

There are question marks over Porzingis, and worse they are ones that people tend to explain away with blind optimism.

Can he stay healthy, not just to stay on the court but so that he has confidence in his body to be physical and play without reserve.

Also his attitude, he seems to me a bit of a prima donna and a hot head, he's going to have to learn to maybe play no.2 to someone in a smaller market, that might be tough, he's not going to get a green light playing for Carlisle, that might be tough. That said the work he's done in this off season does look promising, I don't care how it translates to his game, you don't make that sort of body transformation by slacking in then gym.

Anyone doubting the actual skill set though needs their head examined, an elite rim protector that can shoot the 3 like a guard with nice handles and mobility too? He's a potential top 10 player, there's no reason he won't be popping up in conversations comparing AD to Embiid next year if it all goes well.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#72 » by iLLmatic860 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 12:40 am

antonac wrote:There are question marks over Porzingis, and worse they are ones that people tend to explain away with blind optimism.


Also his attitude, he seems to me a bit of a prima donna and a hot head, he's going to have to learn to maybe play no.2 to someone in a smaller market, that might be tough, he's not going to get a green light playing for Carlisle, that might be tough. That said the work he's done in this off season does look promising, I don't care how it translates to his game, you don't make that sort of body transformation by slacking in then gym.

Anyone doubting the actual skill set though needs their head examined, an elite rim protector that can shoot the 3 like a guard with nice handles and mobility too? He's a potential top 10 player, there's no reason he won't be popping up in conversations comparing AD to Embiid next year if it all goes well.

Its his brother. He needs to get a new agent. He’s gets bad advice from him imo.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#73 » by BallinBug » Tue Oct 1, 2019 6:19 pm

He was really good in his first season. Unfortunately he's not that young anymore. I dont expect he'll be as good as he would have been had he stayed on his trajectory pre injury.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#74 » by King of Canada » Tue Oct 1, 2019 7:07 pm

It's fun to see a different fanbase defend KP now :lol:
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#75 » by matt6715 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 7:23 pm

BallinBug wrote:He was really good in his first season. Unfortunately he's not that young anymore. I dont expect he'll be as good as he would have been had he stayed on his trajectory pre injury.


I mean... KP is a month younger than Kyle Kuzma. He's younger than Jokic. He's younger than guys like Caris Lavert, Terry Rozier, Julius Randle, Embiid, and Giannis. I don't buy into the narrative that he's somehow missed out on developing over just one season. If anything, his newfound physique should help him IMMENSELY
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#76 » by blueNorange » Wed Oct 2, 2019 7:29 pm

lol looks like kristaps is going to be miss around 15-20 games due to load management.

janis already calling shots.
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Post#77 » by NYKHardKnock » Wed Oct 2, 2019 7:59 pm

blueNorange wrote:lol looks like kristaps is going to be miss around 15-20 games due to load management.

janis already calling shots.
Let him miss a lot of games next year with load management with having their pick :lol:
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#78 » by robillionaire » Wed Oct 2, 2019 8:07 pm

He was really good in the first 20-30 games of that season. He eventually hit a small slump though before the injuries.
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#79 » by Scalabrine » Wed Oct 2, 2019 8:16 pm

King of Canada wrote:It's fun to see a different fanbase defend KP now :lol:


Especially when they probably haven't seen him play outside of highlights and maybe a game or two...
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Re: The thing about Porzingis... 

Post#80 » by Jellybeans » Wed Oct 2, 2019 8:25 pm

blueNorange wrote:lol looks like kristaps is going to be miss around 15-20 games due to load management.

janis already calling shots.

Sorry for what im gonna say,but you are dumb..
Janis cant control how many games he will play.Cuban and coach allready said that they will limit KP's back to back games...Stop reaching.Grow up and move on.

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