China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[E-Balla]

Now E-balla is downplaying the right to vote, and discussing the long game of a British Empire that doesn’t exist. As if Boris, who can’t manage London, is the mastermind behind keeping Hong Kong “Europeanized”. Are we in parody territory?

This had been in play before Boris could spell Hong Kong. The man who wrote 99 years explicitly said the UK had no intention of ever giving up Hong Kong and as long as their businesses stay in HK and stay recording profits that benefit the UK they haven't given it up.

You'd have to be naive to believe a European power willingly gave up that much wealth for moral reasons.

We aren’t in the 19th-century, the Opium Wars are dead and buried, and Hong Kong is not under Europe’s thumb. There isn’t even a threat of that.

The geopolitical struggle for power by European countries never dies.

[KqWIN]

I have to say, I really do not like the pressure fans are putting on players/coaches/individuals right now to be "woke". The NBA's company line should have always been that they support freedom of expression. Took some time to get there, but that is the official statement from Silver. I'm happy with it.

Now, I see a lot of people being frustrated with players/coaches for non answers. It's OK to not have an opinion on something. The reality is that most people in America were not invested in this political situation because it does not effect their daily lives. That goes for the players and coaches being asked about this and also the people crying for them to be woke all of a sudden.

What's even worse is that to some this has diminished the actual social progress individuals have made. If you stand up for something, especially something that effects the daily lives of yourself and your community, it does not mean immediately have to have an opinion on everything ever. People seem to be more upset about how "woke" everyone is than the actual people of Hong Kong.

Exactly this. You even have US Senators coming out and criticizing the NBA instead of sticking up for American values simply to score political points because they don't like how active American citizens have been in US politics as if NBA players and personnel can't comment on politics in the (free?) country they live in unless they stand up to a powerful, foreign government they have no control over.

It's a weird phenomena. It's also very easy to criticize people when they have something to lose and you don't. I get it, prioritizing money and greed is bad. What if said you are a hypocrite for using the iPhone you're on because Apple and other large corporations (which the NBA put to shame in terms of standing up to China). Not only do I want you to destroy your iphone, but any time you supported a positive cause is also illegitimate because you wanted your iPhone and you wanted your NBA basketball. You donated to children with cancer? Fake woke! Didn't take a hard enough stance on this overseas political issue that you are not invested in.

[Jim Naismith]

This had been in play before Boris could spell Hong Kong. The man who wrote 99 years explicitly said the UK had no intention of ever giving up Hong Kong and as long as their businesses stay in HK and stay recording profits that benefit the UK they haven't given it up.

You'd have to be naive to believe a European power willingly gave up that much wealth for moral reasons.

We aren’t in the 19th-century, the Opium Wars are dead and buried, and Hong Kong is not under Europe’s thumb. There isn’t even a threat of that.

The geopolitical struggle for power by European countries never dies.

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[clyde21]

Now E-balla is downplaying the right to vote, and discussing the long game of a British Empire that doesn’t exist. As if Boris, who can’t manage London, is the mastermind behind keeping Hong Kong “Europeanized”. Are we in parody territory?

This had been in play before Boris could spell Hong Kong. The man who wrote 99 years explicitly said the UK had no intention of ever giving up Hong Kong and as long as their businesses stay in HK and stay recording profits that benefit the UK they haven't given it up.

You'd have to be naive to believe a European power willingly gave up that much wealth for moral reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslim-camps.html

Do you blame this on European colonialism as well?

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

[Blazers-1977]

This had been in play before Boris could spell Hong Kong. The man who wrote 99 years explicitly said the UK had no intention of ever giving up Hong Kong and as long as their businesses stay in HK and stay recording profits that benefit the UK they haven't given it up.

You'd have to be naive to believe a European power willingly gave up that much wealth for moral reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslim-camps.html

Do you blame this on European colonialism as well?

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

If you count the Ottoman Empire a European Empire sure.

[sule]

The Chinese government can rot in hell. The US should never sacrifice free speech to appease these communist thugs. I have great respect for the Chinese people who are captives in their own country, but the NBA needs to realize that they are in bed with a mafia state and they should start looking to grow their fanbase in other countries like India who can handle mild criticism.

You should read up on what's going on in India. They really aren't any better. A lot of the same stuff that is happening in China is happening in India. Forcing control over semi-autonomous region using heavy military tactics. Concentration camps. Removing citizenship in parts of the country. Concentration camps. Authoritarian nationalism masked under the guise of patriotism. Discrimination of minority religious groups en masse.


Same sh*t, but less reporting on these b/c the govt intimidates the press and blocks all communication channels and access to the regions they are committing these human rights violations.

China is just the more sexy reporting story for American media b/c China holds sway over the American economy, whereas India's influence beyond their own borders is next to nil.

[Blazers-1977]

The Chinese government can rot in hell. The US should never sacrifice free speech to appease these communist thugs. I have great respect for the Chinese people who are captives in their own country, but the NBA needs to realize that they are in bed with a mafia state and they should start looking to grow their fanbase in other countries like India who can handle mild criticism.

You should read up on what's going on in India. They really aren't any better. A lot of the same stuff that is happening in China is happening in India. Forcing control over semi-autonomous region using heavy military tactics. Concentration camps. Removing citizenship in parts of the country. Concentration camps. Authoritarian nationalism masked under the guise of patriotism. Discrimination of minority religious groups en masse.


Same sh*t, but less reporting on these b/c the govt intimidates the press and blocks all communication channels and access to the regions they are committing these human rights violations.

China is just the more sexy reporting story for American media b/c China holds sway over the American economy, whereas India's influence beyond their own borders is next to nil.

Kashmir situation is more like West Bank then Hong Kong .

[Rzwynn]

Wow! nba hypocrisy at its finest!

If this happened in US, Silver, Lebron and co would be all over this.

Don’t believe all the media BS. Everyone only in it for themselves

[Ducklett]

you know what's hysterical about all of this? Cato institute did a freedom index study in which HK placed THIRD in the world...the US placed...17th:



full report: https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf

highest freedom level on the economic freedom scale...THAT is actually the HKers are protesting (wealth gap is running rampant, but I digress).

the hypocrisy levels are at an all time high I see.

Correct me if I am wrong, because I could be, but the Cato Institute didn't give weights to those freedoms based on importance. For example, there are countries ahead of the US were you can be jailed for speech. I don't think any of us would consider that country more free than the US. The whole concept of determining who is more free than someone else seems a bit silly to me overall.

[clyde21]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslim-camps.html

Do you blame this on European colonialism as well?

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

If you count the Ottoman Empire a European Empire sure.

i laughed at that one bro, where'd you get that one from Benny Shapiro or Steven Crowturd?

[clyde21]

you know what's hysterical about all of this? Cato institute did a freedom index study in which HK placed THIRD in the world...the US placed...17th:



full report: https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf

highest freedom level on the economic freedom scale...THAT is actually the HKers are protesting (wealth gap is running rampant, but I digress).

the hypocrisy levels are at an all time high I see.

Correct me if I am wrong, because I could be, but the Cato Institute didn't give weights to those freedoms based on importance. For example, there are countries ahead of the US were you can be jailed for speech. I don't think any of us would consider that country more free than the US. The whole concept of determining who is more free than someone else seems a bit silly to me overall.

which country ahead of the US jails people on speech?

[Ducklett]

you know what's hysterical about all of this? Cato institute did a freedom index study in which HK placed THIRD in the world...the US placed...17th:



full report: https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf

highest freedom level on the economic freedom scale...THAT is actually the HKers are protesting (wealth gap is running rampant, but I digress).

the hypocrisy levels are at an all time high I see.

Correct me if I am wrong, because I could be, but the Cato Institute didn't give weights to those freedoms based on importance. For example, there are countries ahead of the US were you can be jailed for speech. I don't think any of us would consider that country more free than the US. The whole concept of determining who is more free than someone else seems a bit silly to me overall.

which country ahead of the US jails people on speech?

The Netherlands. Intentionally insulting the monarch could earn you up to five years' imprisonment or a fine, while the same offense against the monarch's spouse, the heir apparent, the heir apparent's spouse or the regent carries up to four years behind bars.

[JeepCSC]

I never said freedom is a Western notion. Freedom as we understand it as westerners is though. The treatment of non Han Chinese is really the only major criticism I feel comfortable attacking China for. Outside of that there's too many shades of gray for me to feel comfortable butting in.

Why you don’t think the Han Chinese deserve the same protections you give to non Han Chinese could fill a library.

[zimpy27]

Keep the topic on the NBA

[clyde21]

Correct me if I am wrong, because I could be, but the Cato Institute didn't give weights to those freedoms based on importance. For example, there are countries ahead of the US were you can be jailed for speech. I don't think any of us would consider that country more free than the US. The whole concept of determining who is more free than someone else seems a bit silly to me overall.

which country ahead of the US jails people on speech?

The Netherlands. Intentionally insulting the monarch could earn you up to five years' imprisonment or a fine, while the same offense against the monarch's spouse, the heir apparent, the heir apparent's spouse or the regent carries up to four years behind bars.

and in the US you can get 5 years for smoking pot, we'll call it even.

[sule]

The Chinese government can rot in hell. The US should never sacrifice free speech to appease these communist thugs. I have great respect for the Chinese people who are captives in their own country, but the NBA needs to realize that they are in bed with a mafia state and they should start looking to grow their fanbase in other countries like India who can handle mild criticism.

You should read up on what's going on in India. They really aren't any better. A lot of the same stuff that is happening in China is happening in India. Forcing control over semi-autonomous region using heavy military tactics. Concentration camps. Removing citizenship in parts of the country. Concentration camps. Authoritarian nationalism masked under the guise of patriotism. Discrimination of minority religious groups en masse.


Same sh*t, but less reporting on these b/c the govt intimidates the press and blocks all communication channels and access to the regions they are committing these human rights violations.

China is just the more sexy reporting story for American media b/c China holds sway over the American economy, whereas India's influence beyond their own borders is next to nil.

Kashmir situation is more like West Bank then Hong Kong .

Not really. Kashmiris have been constantly protesting, with hundreds injured by the Indian military, people have been killed. Young males have been picked up without cause, and shipped to prisons across the country. Same thing with Kashmiri politicians.

India completely blacked out Kashmir prior to revoking their semi-autonomous status. They have no internet, telephone lines, no internet on their phones, media is banned from reporting, and no outsiders are allowed in, including foreign media and human rights organizations.

Modi is up there with some of the worst authoritarians in the stuff he's done. And Vivek Ranadive has a budding relationship with him, including his daughter singing for Modi during a recent visit to Mumbai.

It's a really bad look for the NBA that they book two of their foreign exhibition games in countries where these kinds of human rights violations are occurring.

Really makes them look hypocritical for moving the All-Star Game from Charlotte over the transgender bathroom issue.

[JeepCSC]

To circle this around, playing in China comes with consequences. The balancing act is insane, but every company should have a red line they aren’t willing to cross. Hopefully from that a better understanding through dialogue can come about, but it must be transparent.

[clyde21]

You should read up on what's going on in India. They really aren't any better. A lot of the same stuff that is happening in China is happening in India. Forcing control over semi-autonomous region using heavy military tactics. Concentration camps. Removing citizenship in parts of the country. Concentration camps. Authoritarian nationalism masked under the guise of patriotism. Discrimination of minority religious groups en masse.


Same sh*t, but less reporting on these b/c the govt intimidates the press and blocks all communication channels and access to the regions they are committing these human rights violations.

China is just the more sexy reporting story for American media b/c China holds sway over the American economy, whereas India's influence beyond their own borders is next to nil.

Kashmir situation is more like West Bank then Hong Kong .

Not really. Kashmiris have been constantly protesting, with hundreds injured by the Indian military, people have been killed. Young males have been picked up without cause, and shipped to prisons across the country. Same thing with Kashmiri politicians.

India completely blacked out Kashmir prior to revoking their semi-autonomous status. They have no internet, telephone lines, no internet on their phones, media is banned from reporting, and no outsiders are allowed in, including foreign media and human rights organizations.

Modi is up there with some of the worst authoritarians in the stuff he's done. And Vivek Ranadive has a budding relationship with him, including his daughter singing for Modi during a recent visit to Mumbai.

It's a really bad look for the NBA that they book two of their foreign exhibition games in countries where these kinds of human rights violations are occurring.

Really makes them look hypocritical for moving the All-Star Game from Charlotte over the transgender bathroom issue.

louder for the people in the back.

[TheNewEra]

All seems so hostile why is the league risking even playing over there? Take a hit and bring the players back home

[seanbig]

Well this is huge bigger than the kapernick thing
Bigger than the sterling thing

Last looks like Yao and the rest of mainland felt like Morey as the former Gm of the team closest to China got called the proverbial n word or is that the c-word

This China sovereignty thing is huge and I didn’t grow up there

And for us chastising those who might lose their way of life for not standing up for democracy is being 2 faced