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Mecca · Post #961 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:59 pm

Buddy was arguably better than Fox last year. The guy is an absolute bucket. Can’t hate that #.

Post #962 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:59 pm

Mecca wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Base around 86 million + incentives for Hield. That seems in the right ballpark in this salary environment.

Hoo boy though that's a lot of money. Good time to be a second/third tier player in the NBA.

It's contracts like that that make me agree with Pills' strategy more than I disagree.

Why pay Hield when you can get a real star for moderately more?

Yes, the real stars are harder to get, but the juice is worth the squeeze.

I mean, Buddy is a pretty elite scorer. 59 TS% 42.7% from 3 on over 8 a game is pretty insane. He’s worth every penny of that contract and arguably a value deal. Shooting at an elite level is worth gold.

Certainly better than Barnes' contract

Spoiler:

As discussed earlier, I'm not as violently opposed to this approach as some previous ones. Just respectfully disagree and think a better path to the stars is through acquiring trade chips and creating a halfway decent team.

Mecca · Post #963 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:01 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Mecca wrote:
GONYK wrote:
It's contracts like that that make me agree with Pills' strategy more than I disagree.

Why pay Hield when you can get a real star for moderately more?

Yes, the real stars are harder to get, but the juice is worth the squeeze.

I mean, Buddy is a pretty elite scorer. 59 TS% 42.7% from 3 on over 8 a game is pretty insane. He’s worth every penny of that contract and arguably a value deal. Shooting at an elite level is worth gold.

Certainly better than Barnes' contract

Spoiler:

As discussed earlier, I'm not as violently opposed to this approach as some previous ones. Just respectfully disagree and think a better path to the stars is through acquiring trade chips and creating a halfway decent team.

I mean, yeah, but I don’t think that’s what the Knicks are going to do. Getting Iggy, Dragic Harkless trio would’ve been the sneaky smart move with those picks.

Post #964 » by **GONYK** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:01 pm

Mecca wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Mecca wrote:
I mean, Buddy is a pretty elite scorer. 59 TS% 42.7% from 3 on over 8 a game is pretty insane. He’s worth every penny of that contract and arguably a value deal. Shooting at an elite level is worth gold.

Certainly better than Barnes' contract

Spoiler:

As discussed earlier, I'm not as violently opposed to this approach as some previous ones. Just respectfully disagree and think a better path to the stars is through acquiring trade chips and creating a halfway decent team.

I mean, yeah, but I don’t think that’s what the Knicks are going to do. Getting Iggy, Dragic Harkless trio would’ve been the sneaky smart move with those picks.

Making moves like that is the strategy I endorse as well.

Post #965 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:04 pm

Buddy Hield

Played and started in 82 games - 31.9 MPG
20.7 PPG 5.0 RPG 2.5 APG 0.7 SPG 0.4 BPG
46% on 16.6 FGA 43% on 7.9 3PA 89% on 2.4 FTA
56% EFG 59% TS

That got him 4/94

He might outplay that contract if he continues to progress. As is, that seems like fair value.

Paying guys who are good is not a bad thing just b/c they're not superstars. It's overpaying trash for no good reason that leaves you in a terrible position.

Post #966 » by **GONYK** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Mecca wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Base around 86 million + incentives for Hield. That seems in the right ballpark in this salary environment.

Hoo boy though that's a lot of money. Good time to be a second/third tier player in the NBA.

It's contracts like that that make me agree with Pills' strategy more than I disagree.

Why pay Hield when you can get a real star for moderately more?

Yes, the real stars are harder to get, but the juice is worth the squeeze.

I mean, Buddy is a pretty elite scorer. 59 TS% 42.7% from 3 on over 8 a game is pretty insane. He’s worth every penny of that contract and arguably a value deal. Shooting at an elite level is worth gold.

Hield is good and the contract is fine in a vacuum. I just don't know if I pay Hield as an overall team building strategy for a squad in our position.

I would rather stack up rookie deals and save my powder.

Problem with that is that Pills may run out of time before the strategy bears fruit.

Mecca · Post #967 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:08 pm

GONYK wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Certainly better than Barnes' contract

Spoiler:

As discussed earlier, I'm not as violently opposed to this approach as some previous ones. Just respectfully disagree and think a better path to the stars is through acquiring trade chips and creating a halfway decent team.

I mean, yeah, but I don’t think that’s what the Knicks are going to do. Getting Iggy, Dragic Harkless trio would’ve been the sneaky smart move with those picks.

Making moves like that is the strategy I endorse as well.

There are people with the Knicks that wanted to do that strategy as well, but they got over-ruled by management, who want to build a competitive team with specific players they wanted.

HEZI · Post #968 » by **HEZI** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:12 pm

Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

Post #969 » by **GONYK** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:15 pm

HEZI wrote:Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

I agree it makes sense for Sacto. They need more like this and less like Barnes.

I still can't believe they paid Barnes the first time, watched him for a few years, then paid him again. I understand they are the Kings, but have some self-respect.

It's like Chandler Parsons all over again.

Post #970 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:16 pm

GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

I agree it makes sense for Sacto. They need more like this and less like Barnes.

I still can't believe they paid Barnes the first time, watched him for a few years, then paid him again. I understand they are the Kings, but have some self-respect.

It's like Chandler Parsons all over again.

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Post #971 » by **GONYK** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:18 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

I agree it makes sense for Sacto. They need more like this and less like Barnes.

I still can't believe they paid Barnes the first time, watched him for a few years, then paid him again. I understand they are the Kings, but have some self-respect.

It's like Chandler Parsons all over again.

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Ah, you're right. I forgot Dallas committed the original sin (in both Parsons' and Barnes' cases).

The rest of my statement still stands.

HEZI · Post #972 » by **HEZI** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:21 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

I agree it makes sense for Sacto. They need more like this and less like Barnes.

I still can't believe they paid Barnes the first time, watched him for a few years, then paid him again. I understand they are the Kings, but have some self-respect.

It's like Chandler Parsons all over again.

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I thought Mavs paid him then Kings traded for him

Knicksfan1992 · Post #973 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:28 pm

GONYK wrote:
HEZI wrote:Nobody is signing to go to Sacramento lets be real. Hield is a good signing because he's an elite shooter and even on that contract he's still a valuable asset. Playoff teams will always search for a guy like that so even if they do decide to trade him it won't be hard to find the right deal

I agree it makes sense for Sacto. They need more like this and less like Barnes.

I still can't believe they paid Barnes the first time, watched him for a few years, then paid him again. I understand they are the Kings, but have some self-respect.

It's like Chandler Parsons all over again.

You're too harsh on Barnes. It's an overpay, but he's a competent defender, shooter and a good locker room guy. Parsons had microfracture surgery on his knee before he signed that deal. That was a disaster from the beginning. Barnes is at least a healthy body who isn't a complete liability on either end.

Mecca · Post #974 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:42 pm

Not many people actively watch the Kings so I get it, but Buddy is legitimately one of the elite scorers in the NBA. For the Kings, this was a must, especially because he fits with Fox and Penny Bagley.

Mecca · Post #975 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:17 pm

Who’s gonna stan Matisse Thybulle & Kenrich Williams with me this year? We move. Kings being a playoff team is my hot take.

spree2kawhi · Post #976 » by **spree2kawhi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:19 pm

We need a shooter like that at SG.

Chanel Bomber · Post #977 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:30 pm

Mecca wrote:Who’s gonna stan Matisse Thybulle & Kenrich Williams with me this year? We move. Kings being a playoff team is my hot take.

Hotter take, Kings make the playoffs and Lakers miss the playoffs.

Mecca · Post #978 » by **Mecca** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:31 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Mecca wrote:Who’s gonna stan Matisse Thybulle & Kenrich Williams with me this year? We move. Kings being a playoff team is my hot take.

Hotter take, Kings make the playoffs and Lakers miss the playoffs.

Lmao, no way bruh. Bron AND AD??

Post #979 » by **GONYK** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:35 pm

Mecca wrote:Who’s gonna stan Matisse Thybulle & Kenrich Williams with me this year? We move. Kings being a playoff team is my hot take.

god shammgod · Post #980 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:45 pm

guaranteed playoff teams

lakers
clippers
denver
utah
portland
houston

next 2 are golden state and san antonio. can the kings knock one of them out ? i don't think so. they might need 1 more year. with a healthy zion, new orleans might be better. 1 month without him though might be too long for them to recover. the west is that tough.