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I posted a Steve Brule gif in the Siakim thread on the Raptors board and they went off calling the Bucks trash.
They seem a little... insecure.
They seem a little... insecure.
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JayMKE wrote:It's the market price, not just gigastars like Giannis and Lebron get max contracts. Toronto didn't have a choice if they wanted to retain him.
i think fans get way too caught up in the cap aspect of it. i get it if the team is not good and they are retaining their guys at a premium price. but the raptors are coming off a title where he played a huge part. drafted...in house development. mid 20's and improving every year. secondly, it's ok to build a good to really good team. it doesn't have to be tank/sh tty or great. the raptors for 5 straight years had a good to very good team. it allowed them to take a shot for greatness and it worked out. but if they blew it up before last season, then when would've toronto ever win a title? of course something like a kawhi deal doesn't happen all that often but neither does getting a super star in the draft.
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Siakim's worth his contract and he's still getting better. He's good enough to be a #1 and if a megasuperduperstar can be lured to Toronto, I don't see him causing static. Good job, Toronto and now I'm going to projectile vomit after praising the...Craptors. GOT'EM.
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Badgerlander wrote:Nowak008 wrote:Badgerlander wrote:Not really, they don’t have a center that’s a shooter. Best fit would be portland next to Zach Collins
Eh, you don’t need all 5 guys on the floor to shoot 3’s. His passing and smart defense would be perfect for them. They have enough guys who will soak up possessions.
I’d bump them up from a tier 3 team to a tier 2 team if they added him. It would be significant.
Well Sabonis isn’t a shooter so they’d be down to 3 guys on the floor that can shoot maybe only two when smart is in. I don’t see the fit
There will be plenty of lineups wherever he goes where you can just play Sabonis as the 5. That's the issue with him and Turner together, really both should be 5s.
Also, I don't see any problem with that Siakam contract.
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Ron Swanson wrote:He's now overpaid just like Middleton but every other GM in the league gives him that contract because that's what you have to do to keep your good young players.
He's simply a better all-around player than Middleton.
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Ruzious wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:He's now overpaid just like Middleton but every other GM in the league gives him that contract because that's what you have to do to keep your good young players.
He's simply a better all-around player than Middleton.
Agree on both points. I wonder if he can step up his game and be a playmaker now.
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crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:He's now overpaid just like Middleton but every other GM in the league gives him that contract because that's what you have to do to keep your good young players.
He's simply a better all-around player than Middleton.
Agree on both points. I wonder if he can step up his game and be a playmaker now.
Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
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Ruzious wrote:crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:He's simply a better all-around player than Middleton.
Agree on both points. I wonder if he can step up his game and be a playmaker now.
Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
I include making plays for yourself in this. Leonard had over 100 more ISO possessions than Siakam in 20 less games and had more PPP to boot. Siakam also had a pretty high TO frequency in his ISOs, higher than Giannis even.
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crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:crkone wrote:
Agree on both points. I wonder if he can step up his game and be a playmaker now.
Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
I include making plays for yourself in this. Leonard had over 100 more ISO possessions than Siakam in 20 less games and had more PPP to boot. Siakam also had a pretty high TO frequency in his ISOs, higher than Giannis even.
So you're saying Siakam is a worse player than Kawhi? What a surprise.
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LuessiT wrote:crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
I include making plays for yourself in this. Leonard had over 100 more ISO possessions than Siakam in 20 less games and had more PPP to boot. Siakam also had a pretty high TO frequency in his ISOs, higher than Giannis even.
So you're saying Siakam is a worse player than Kawhi? What a surprise.
What the **** are you talking about? Someone said Leonard wasn't a playmaker after all I said was I wonder if Siakam's going to try to step up that part of his game. I responded showing that I do in fact think Kawhi's a playmaker since he makes plays for himself.
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Incredibly debatable that he's "worth" a 30+ million per year contract. But just like a lot of these deals, it's not about worth in a vacuum, but rather what's necessary to retain your best guys. He'll be a really good, fringe All-Star type player for the next 6-7 years, but I'm not buying all this hype that people are trying to push that he has some further superstar type potential. He's just not that kind of talent IMO.
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crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:crkone wrote:
Agree on both points. I wonder if he can step up his game and be a playmaker now.
Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
I include making plays for yourself in this. Leonard had over 100 more ISO possessions than Siakam in 20 less games and had more PPP to boot. Siakam also had a pretty high TO frequency in his ISOs, higher than Giannis even.
Right - though it's not at all surprising Leonard had a lot more ISO possessions since he was their clear #1 scoring option, and Siakam was usually their 3rd option. To's are definitely an issue - we'll have to wait and see how Siakam does with more opportunities. I don't expect he'll be as good as Leonard or Giannis - but I regard them as the 2 best forwards in basketball, so that's an awfully high standard. It'll be interesting to see how Toronto does this season.
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Ruzious wrote:crkone wrote:Ruzious wrote:Keep in mind - Leonard was never a play-maker for his teammates.
I include making plays for yourself in this. Leonard had over 100 more ISO possessions than Siakam in 20 less games and had more PPP to boot. Siakam also had a pretty high TO frequency in his ISOs, higher than Giannis even.
Right - though it's not at all surprising Leonard had a lot more ISO possessions since he was their clear #1 scoring option, and Siakam was usually their 3rd option. To's are definitely an issue - we'll have to wait and see how Siakam does with more opportunities. I don't expect he'll be as good as Leonard or Giannis - but I regard them as the 2 best forwards in basketball, so that's an awfully high standard. It'll be interesting to see how Toronto does this season.
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I think rookie extensions need to be done by 5:00pm CT.
Kings and Buddy have reached a fair deal IMO.
Kings and Buddy have reached a fair deal IMO.
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Maybe, but picking up the option isn’t really an indication of that. Hope he’s sprung from the Knicks soon we we get a better idea of what he is.
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^^^^^^How do we think JJ looks versus Wes?