OT: Official KP Thread

Post #481 » by **duetta** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:17 am

nedleeds wrote:Nobody is saying the Knicks had to sign him to $30 million. But making the trade for nothing when they could just wait and see if they could get something made all the sense in the world. BUT they took it up the poop highway on the trade because they were day dreaming about KD and Kyrie. They got taken for fools for starphucking.

This is true.

I remain angry because he asked for a trade, despite the fact that his absence and overall inablity to withstand the stress of an 82 game season was one of the reasons that the team was awful.

But our management also took back much less in assets in order to clear their cap for their starphruck orgy - which didn't turn out as they had hoped.

They get paid good money to be right, not to be unlucky. There had better be a market for some of these short-term contracts (although if AD walks from LA and decides he wants to play with Barrett in 2020, I will stand happily corrected...).

Wildcat · Post #482 » by **Wildcat** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:21 am

The Knicks have been selling fans **** for decades. I'm in amazement that people are still buying the horse **** that has come along with the stories they're putting out there.

KnicksGadfly · Post #483 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:12 am

I think everyone was wrong.

We had ****** management. If we had stable guys who were smart and knowledgeable, and not Phil Jackson or Horny or whoever, then I think things would be okay. With Perry and Mills, I'm not sure about them as execs. I think there's a reason why they couldn't make those trades for Harkless or Iggy. They just never prepared for it. Other franchises have a Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. We had a plan A. Then we scrambled and landed on Plan Z, and it feels like a less costly version of a Hardaway deal.

He would have been eaten alive here. Max contract, injury prone, Janis, fake, losing and rape allegations? He was right to run from New York. I can't blame him for screwing Phil. Never can...Phil was a bonafide idiot...not sure how many careers he ruined with the Knicks. But at some point, the rot got into him. It's probably better for us too, cause he was getting toxic (and again, we empowered him). I wouldn't want him around Mitch or RJ at this point. So good riddance to that.

Anyway, we've done a good job ridding our franchise of the bad pieces. Melo's gone. KP's gone. Phil's gone. The bigger issue now is whether we've replaced them with other bad pieces or if we're really building a foundation. I've lost a lot of hope in Pills. Fizdale isn't showing anything good, but he's also been given crap for ingredients. If we don't clean out the rot everywhere, this cycle is just gonna repeat. Including me posting on this forum for the rest of my life.

Hope we don't waste RJ.

NoStatsGuy · Post #484 » by **NoStatsGuy** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:04 am

Wildcat wrote:The Knicks have been selling fans **** for decades. I'm in amazement that people are still buying the horse **** that has come along with the stories they're putting out there.

100% Janis idea to put pressure on the knicks. and then he (KP) got traded. thats the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in imagining Rj and KP playing together, since it wont happen here.

Im not buying what they say, but im buying they had no other choice, and what they did with the hand thye were dealt with is good enough for me.

Not everybody can be the spurs and have Pop, its time to accept that.

shmeakone · Post #485 » by **shmeakone** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:07 am

He wasn't NY made, simple as that. Not everybody is. I'd rather him be honest about it than become a bigger headline by playing for us & melting down.

I'm confident one of those 2 picks at least will turn into a respected player.

Not looking good for DSJ so far this year, but there's still plenty of time to turn it around. He's too proud & talented to not deliver.

NYKAL · Post #486 » by **NYKAL** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:14 pm

see the 1st round at least before acting like a Diva. Dude accomplished and proved nothing in the league yet but, the Knicks were supposed to bend over and let Janis call the shots. Better to move on from PK because, when would the demands stop?

Wildcat · Post #487 » by **Wildcat** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:22 pm

NoStatsGuy wrote:
Wildcat wrote:The Knicks have been selling fans **** for decades. I'm in amazement that people are still buying the horse **** that has come along with the stories they're putting out there.

100% Janis idea to put pressure on the knicks. and then he (KP) got traded. thats the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in imagining Rj and KP playing together, since it wont happen here.

Im not buying what they say, but im buying they had no other choice, and what they did with the hand thye were dealt with is good enough for me.

Not everybody can be the spurs and have Pop, its time to accept that.

The only real credible story I believe is the Knicks sunk their own ship. I cannot believe any of the things the front office has said to the media since -- and let's be real about it -- they have been a disorganized mess for years and nothing has really changed. Mills is still there. Dolan is still here. We know the common denominators.

BallSacBounce · Post #488 » by **BallSacBounce** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:10 pm

nedleeds wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
No this isn't true at all. It can't be, because the Mavericks didn't play him and were tanking. The very same offer would have been there from the Mavs after the draft. They did it to star phuck. Not because they have some master plan. Becomes a problem is code for a front office that can't handle NBA players and their egos -- that's on them not the 22 year old whose rights you control. If they can't handle him how can they ever handle an actual free agent veteran?

They got nothing. What more value was left to lose? His value could only go up by paying him and playing him. Or in an absolutely unprecedented move in the history of the league he plays on the qualifying offer. But again you don't have to offer that until the July moratorium. So they had absolutely nothing to lose by waiting. Everything that ended up happening just proves my point. No Zion. Nobody wanted to come and play for this dumpster hee haw front office and Dallas tanked.

If he became a problem then the value goes down. Guaranteed. He's already proven himself to be one with missing an end of year interview, showing up a coach and waltzing in and demanding **** that got him traded. You just choose not to see it.

The only way his value goes UP is if he plays and all looks good, which as you pointed out was never going to happen.

So the only possible movement was downward. There was something to lose by waiting and nothing at all to be gained.

You are lost man. The thing to be gained was information. Our draft position, the Hawks draft position, the free agent status of all the stars Perry and Mills were drooling on themselves to fellate. KPs value wasn't going down because of missed meetings with a fired clown GM 2 years ago, or demanding a trade from the worst run team in the league that was all known information.

We're as far apart as can be on whether it was better to make the trade then or wait. Nothing else to discuss on the issue.

Billy Goat · Post #489 » by **Billy Goat** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:14 pm

Dodged a major bullet. He stinks.

Sprewell4Three · Post #490 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:40 pm

You guys remind me of those guys that still go through their exes social media lol. You’re only hurting yourself by continuing to dwell on the past!

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thebuzzardman · Post #491 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 1:15 pm

Once the Knicks didn't tank for Donic to pair with KP, it was time to move on from KP. The end.

Context · Post #492 » by **Context** » Sun Nov 3, 2019 6:12 pm

Read on Twitter

and

Read on Twitter

Stay woke KP...sucker...

Traveyknicks23 · Post #493 » by **Traveyknicks23** » Sun Nov 3, 2019 6:32 pm

Wildcat wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
Wildcat wrote:The Knicks have been selling fans **** for decades. I'm in amazement that people are still buying the horse **** that has come along with the stories they're putting out there.

100% Janis idea to put pressure on the knicks. and then he (KP) got traded. thats the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in imagining Rj and KP playing together, since it wont happen here.

Im not buying what they say, but im buying they had no other choice, and what they did with the hand thye were dealt with is good enough for me.

Not everybody can be the spurs and have Pop, its time to accept that.

The only real credible story I believe is the Knicks sunk their own ship. I cannot believe any of the things the front office has said to the media since -- and let's be real about it -- they have been a disorganized mess for years and nothing has really changed. Mills is still there. Dolan is still here. We know the common denominators.

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy what you selling fam they gave kp the keys to the franchise they were trying to build around dude but what can you do when your guy is hurt and can’t contribute to anything and while he’s hurt has his brother is in his ear.but I’m suppose to believe kp got **** over? Nah

malik959 · Post #494 » by **malik959** » Sun Nov 3, 2019 8:33 pm

Man I'll never understand how a lot of people feel that a team can be ran like a 2k game. Throughout an an entire year owners will meet during games to discuss their players so to think that a team will just all of a sudden come out of the blue and just unload a player out of the blue is just complete and utter BS.

The Knicks have been dealing with BS from KP for a while now, off court issues, his own life long illness, multiple injuries to include a torn acl (for a 7ft player that's horrible), and dealing with his brother. Knowing this how many teams do you really know would take a chance on him? Oh wait Cuban has dealt with sexual harassment issuses so he knows what to do.

Now, if KP wanted out, good riddance we can do better. Right now we have youth, plenty of draft picks, and flexibility. When was the last time we even had that? So build off of that, stay the course. F@#$ KP, he can eat a d!&% and hiccup. We have players that want to be hear and want to make this team good. It's just going to take time and patience, New York fans just everything to happen right now.

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Post #495 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:08 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Once the Knicks didn't tank for Donic to pair with KP, it was time to move on from KP. The end.

What do you think about them going after Gallo? They desperately need a legitimate 3rd option

DaGawd · Post #496 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 7:59 am

KP, Barrett, Mitch and Knox would've been quite the core...oh well

Post #497 » by **King of Canada** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:33 pm

Doncic basically throwing the Mavs on his back. He doesn't even look KP's way so often that I don't see this ending well.

Post #498 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:42 pm

King of Canada wrote:Doncic basically throwing the Mavs on his back. He doesn't even look KP's way so often that I don't see this ending well.

He’s been unbelievable and might make an All NBA team

26.7 PPG 10.3 RPG 9.5 APG 1.5 SPG
46% FG 35% 3PT 80% FT 55% EFG 61% TS

He’s a floor General and he doesn’t have tunnel vision. I doubt that’s the reason it wouldn’t end well. KP is in a good spot as the 2nd guy. He’s not doing too bad either

20.5 PPG 8.2 RPG 2.2 APG 2.7 BPG
43% FG 39% 3PT 69% FT 51% EFG 54% TS

NY 567 · Post #499 » by **NY 567** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:49 pm

Doncic and KP are doing fine. Porzingis is averaging 20/8/3, and he literally just came back from an injury that kept him out for over a year and a half. You guys are grasping at straws and letting your hate for him blind you.

Wildcat · Post #500 » by **Wildcat** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 8:44 pm

Traveyknicks23 wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
100% Janis idea to put pressure on the knicks. and then he (KP) got traded. thats the only thing that matters.

Theres no point in imagining Rj and KP playing together, since it wont happen here.

Im not buying what they say, but im buying they had no other choice, and what they did with the hand thye were dealt with is good enough for me.

Not everybody can be the spurs and have Pop, its time to accept that.

The only real credible story I believe is the Knicks sunk their own ship. I cannot believe any of the things the front office has said to the media since -- and let's be real about it -- they have been a disorganized mess for years and nothing has really changed. Mills is still there. Dolan is still here. We know the common denominators.

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy what you selling fam they gave kp the keys to the franchise they were trying to build around dude but what can you do when your guy is hurt and can’t contribute to anything and while he’s hurt has his brother is in his ear.but I’m suppose to believe kp got **** over? Nah

Do tell what keys he was given? What pieces did they obtain to build around him? Rose? Noah? Willy? Hardway? Beasley? Or did they bring in coaches to that could get the most out of him, like Derek Fisher, Kurt Rambis, Jeff Hornacek, or David Fizdale. All these hires were gimmick hires and little else. Just look at their hiring of Fizdale, since he was hired to lure free agents.

KP isn't innocent by any degree, but it's marginal in comparisons to this organization. If we're working in a **** environment, you're going to pick-up **** habits. The Knicks never had any intention of building around him much how they screw the pooch when they were trying to "build around" Melo. Wake up, my man. The Knicks don't know how to put a team together. The Knicks game plan last year was to tank on a year where it made tanking exceedingly difficult to do. KP is right to want some answers from that egoistical moron Dolan. Pretty sure their argument was written down on a cocktail napkin:

1) Tank, get Zion.
2) Trade for AD, sign KD and KI.
3) ...
4) Profit.