Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Steal by Bird]

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.

How is he against Embiid?


That's what Boston really needs..a big dude to match Embiid. Everybody else can be beaten by guards and wings.

Just looking at the rosters around the league, the big man market is pathetic. Guys like Biyombo, Mahinmi, Dieng. Cody Zeller are all getting 15-17 mil..the slightly better ones like Ibaka, Gasol are all over 23 mil. It's wild.

We really should have given Dwight an opportunity. Not sure what the point of Poirier was if he can't get off the bench.

Maybe in a few months something like Capela for Theis, Langford, Semi and J.Green would interest the Rockets.

We can always wait as see if Embiid can stay healthy. If he were to get hurt for the season again, we could probably get way without adding another big.

Embiid will get his, but it would be nice to someone who can at least mitigate him a little.

In the playoffs when teams start playing downhill and a little more physical, it will be a bigger problem.

Celtics don’t need a star big man, just some respectable post defenders. WCS makes like 2 million as does Kyle O’quinn, Robin Lopez didn’t get much more. You would think we could have overpaid a little and got 2 of them maybe. Seems like you are going to “overpay” for a center but if you want a shot at the finals that’s just what you may have to do. Paying Kanter and Theis 5 each, and neither of them seem like an option for playoff defense at center. Kanter is a career negative in defensive +\- and Theis is just to small.

[100proof]

Giles for Wannamaker doesn't work in the trade checker, nor does Giles for Semi straight up. But if we could get a third team to take Wannamaker, and send player X to Sac and we get Giles, I think he would be fine as a low cost project.

Wannamaker and about 100k in cash works. Giles for Semi straight up does work.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y2lkg46g


I would be fine with a gamble on Giles, but would much prefer a gamble on DJ Wilson or Christian Wood, and to a lesser extent Thon Maker. I think all have far superior health and similar potentials. imo.

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IMO, DJ WIlson is a perferct PF for this team. solid range and 3pt shooting, excellent at moving without the ball, very solid rebounder, decent athleticism, good solid team defense. He is lost in the shuffle in Milwaukee right now and cost should be low. He is only 24 years old, should still improve and give us a tandem of GWilliams and Wilson at PF to fight it out. 2 different play styles. Smash mouth intelligent playmaking from Williams, floor spacing and scoring/rebounding from DJ Wilson.

the other choice, although with blake out the cost may have gone up a bit is Christian Wood. This kid is long, and HUNGRY to make it. Not sure why he has bounced so much, whenever he has gotten an opportunity he has done his best to make the most of it. Very solid face up game, can actually make a few 3s for you, great rebounder and help defender. Got a little Pascal Siakam vibe to him with his driving ability. Player who can really grow with expanded minutes IMO.

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Lastly is someone that kind of screwed themselves over at times, but is a very buy low candidate with extremely high potential. He needs to be coached and taught, someone like KG needs to work with him (KG spoke very highly in the past). Only 22 (arguable) years old so lots of time to groom him up. Real nice video someone made on him here. I like hard workers, and always put faith in them as end of bench guys to improve dramatically.

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Personally love the thought of any of these 3 guys paired up with the Williams boys as a long term front court trio. All Long, all shotblockers, all very athletic, and all but Rob and shoot the 3.

[100proof]

How is he against Embiid?


That's what Boston really needs..a big dude to match Embiid. Everybody else can be beaten by guards and wings.

Just looking at the rosters around the league, the big man market is pathetic. Guys like Biyombo, Mahinmi, Dieng. Cody Zeller are all getting 15-17 mil..the slightly better ones like Ibaka, Gasol are all over 23 mil. It's wild.

We really should have given Dwight an opportunity. Not sure what the point of Poirier was if he can't get off the bench.

Maybe in a few months something like Capela for Theis, Langford, Semi and J.Green would interest the Rockets.

We can always wait as see if Embiid can stay healthy. If he were to get hurt for the season again, we could probably get way without adding another big.

Embiid will get his, but it would be nice to someone who can at least mitigate him a little.

In the playoffs when teams start playing downhill and a little more physical, it will be a bigger problem.

Celtics don’t need a star big man, just some respectable post defenders. WCS makes like 2 million as does Kyle O’quinn, Robin Lopez didn’t get much more. You would think we could have overpaid a little and got 2 of them maybe. Seems like you are going to “overpay” for a center but if you want a shot at the finals that’s just what you may have to do. Paying Kanter and Theis 5 each, and neither of them seem like an option for playoff defense at center. Kanter is a career negative in defensive +\- and Theis is just to small.

WCS isnt very good though.

[Romeiro Celtic]

For what package?

Only guy we can really trade for that price is Hayward

Are we doing that?

Also statistically drummond doesnt = wins.



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The thing is, we've never seen Drummond out of Detroit and with a decent coach. Who he's had as coach since he got in the NBA?

1. Lawrence Frank - Career losing coach
2. Mo Cheeks - Awful coach, only made it to the playoffs 3 times
3. John Loyer - who the hell is that?
4. Stan Van Gundy - The guy who in 4 seasons in detroit only made it to the playoffs once and he wanted to play Drummond - Monroe - Smith lineup, which clearly didn't work out.
5. Dwane Casey - probably the best coach out of this 5, but still not a great one either.

What I mean is: He's had 5 different coaches, 5 different aproaches to the game and none of those were winning coaches (except for Casey). What keeps you from thinking he could thrive in a different situation other than Detroit since he never tried it?

I’ve had the same thought on Drummond, and he works hard every offseason. But he’s 27 now, I don’t know if it’s worth the gamble when he’s 2-3 years away from falling off the same cliff Deandre Jordan and Dwight Howard have.. (Drummond to Phoenix for Ayton/Tyler Johnson wouldn’t shock me, tbh).

Phx isn't giving away Ayton, he's proving to be a really solid player and has a high celling. I'd be completly shocked if they did that move. Drummond is 26, he'll be 27 next year. I think it's worthy since Drummond doesn't rely as much as Howard and Jordan used to on their athleticism, he got other tools and can be better than both given the right approach and training.

[24istheLAW]

While I like the idea of what WCS can do, i don't believe he's a fit for the type of culture we have established here. Sac wouldn't keep him for basically a bag of peanuts and there was very little to no interest in the market for him. Turns out those concerns coming out of college were true.

I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole coming out of Kentucky.

But now? I think he's got a track record of being active on the court in Sacramento. Maybe he's tough to work with behind the scenes, but he isn't some Andray Blatche type on the court waiting to huck up a shot. He's given pro effort as a pro. And he'd take up roughly the same payroll as Semi Ojeleye.

[Gomes3PC]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

[Joshyjess]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

OH NO!!!! Please no more Zeller's in Boston!!!!!
I still get nightmares just remembering seeing Tyler Zeller walk onto the floor. Cody might be a little bit better than Tyler, but no Zeller is worth the agony of seeing them in the green. Just say "NO" to the Zellers!!!!!!!

[24istheLAW]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

I like Zeller too. He's good at everything but not great at anything, so he's easier to overlook than the guys with defined strengths (shot blocker, 3 point shooter, rebounder etc.). But he's a starting NBA center for sure.

[Wes-J]

While I like the idea of what WCS can do, i don't believe he's a fit for the type of culture we have established here. Sac wouldn't keep him for basically a bag of peanuts and there was very little to no interest in the market for him. Turns out those concerns coming out of college were true.

I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole coming out of Kentucky.

But now? I think he's got a track record of being active on the court in Sacramento. Maybe he's tough to work with behind the scenes, but he isn't some Andray Blatche type on the court waiting to huck up a shot. He's given pro effort as a pro. And he'd take up roughly the same payroll as Semi Ojeleye.

You bring in WCS then it will be at the cost of Rob's playing time, who I believe has a long term future here in Boston. Theis and Grant are a mainstay in the rotation and we'll get Kanter back soon. Where's the PT coming from?

Wish I knew why he was out of favor in Sacramento.

[Ernest]

When will Kanter be back? This thread is kind of pointless until we see how we look with him playing. a few random thoughts:

1. We do probably need help at the 5 and going cheap would be the easiest way.

2. Hayward could be moved. It's not PC but he is a handsome white guy and America is pretty racist. Some team might be willing to overpay. Some team not selling tickets. When I was a kid I remember my uncle who was a die hard Nets fan talking to me about Larry Bird. Now my uncle wasn't racist at all and was a short white guy. But I remember him saying how great it felt seeing a guy that looked like him do so well in a game where almost everyone didn't look like him. We can hate it all we want, but it is something. If Hayward keeps improving, I could see some crappy team trying to sell him to their fan base as a big star. We are about winning over money, but not everyone is.

[FlatearthZorro]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

Cody is a pretty darn decent player. Whats his salary cap number?

[jmr07019]

When will Kanter be back? This thread is kind of pointless until we see how we look with him playing. a few random thoughts:

1. We do probably need help at the 5 and going cheap would be the easiest way.

2. Hayward could be moved. It's not PC but he is a handsome white guy and America is pretty racist. Some team might be willing to overpay. Some team not selling tickets. When I was a kid I remember my uncle who was a die hard Nets fan talking to me about Larry Bird. Now my uncle wasn't racist at all and was a short white guy. But I remember him saying how great it felt seeing a guy that looked like him do so well in a game where almost everyone didn't look like him. We can hate it all we want, but it is something. If Hayward keeps improving, I could see some crappy team trying to sell him to their fan base as a big star. We are about winning over money, but not everyone is.

surprised you didn't work global warming, gun control and a few other liberal talking points into the post

[Ernest]

When will Kanter be back? This thread is kind of pointless until we see how we look with him playing. a few random thoughts:

1. We do probably need help at the 5 and going cheap would be the easiest way.

2. Hayward could be moved. It's not PC but he is a handsome white guy and America is pretty racist. Some team might be willing to overpay. Some team not selling tickets. When I was a kid I remember my uncle who was a die hard Nets fan talking to me about Larry Bird. Now my uncle wasn't racist at all and was a short white guy. But I remember him saying how great it felt seeing a guy that looked like him do so well in a game where almost everyone didn't look like him. We can hate it all we want, but it is something. If Hayward keeps improving, I could see some crappy team trying to sell him to their fan base as a big star. We are about winning over money, but not everyone is.

surprised you didn't work global warming, gun control and a few other liberal talking points into the post

Super random, but is Hayward a Trump guy? Like was that recently mentioned in a game or somewhere? Or did I just dream it up. Sorry to derail the whole thread, I don't want to make things political. But to some degree outside things could be a factor in potential trades. Let's steer this ship back though..

Remember when Obama won and some interviewer in the locker room asked Rondo about the election and he said everyone but one voted Obama and then the camera panned around and stopped on Scal? That was pretty funny right?

[Gomes3PC]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

Cody is a pretty darn decent player. Whats his salary cap number?

~$15mm

[ddb]

No idea how we'd make the salaries work, but I think Cody Zeller would be a great pairing long-term with Robert Williams at the 5. Really smart defender, his rebounding has exploded this year, and he's the kind of guy who can score without demanding touches. He's also shown decent passing skills over the last year or so (~2-3 APG in 25 MPG).

Cody is a pretty darn decent player. Whats his salary cap number?

~$15mm

which makes it impossible to make a deal for Zeller...Or at least a deal that would make any sense for Boston

[Fencer reregistered]

When will Kanter be back? This thread is kind of pointless until we see how we look with him playing. a few random thoughts:

1. We do probably need help at the 5 and going cheap would be the easiest way.

2. Hayward could be moved. It's not PC but he is a handsome white guy and America is pretty racist. Some team might be willing to overpay. Some team not selling tickets. When I was a kid I remember my uncle who was a die hard Nets fan talking to me about Larry Bird. Now my uncle wasn't racist at all and was a short white guy. But I remember him saying how great it felt seeing a guy that looked like him do so well in a game where almost everyone didn't look like him. We can hate it all we want, but it is something. If Hayward keeps improving, I could see some crappy team trying to sell him to their fan base as a big star. We are about winning over money, but not everyone is.

surprised you didn't work global warming, gun control and a few other liberal talking points into the post

Super random, but is Hayward a Trump guy? Like was that recently mentioned in a game or somewhere? Or did I just dream it up. Sorry to derail the whole thread, I don't want to make things political. But to some degree outside things could be a factor in potential trades. Let's steer this ship back though..

Remember when Obama won and some interviewer in the locker room asked Rondo about the election and he said everyone but one voted Obama and then the camera panned around and stopped on Scal? That was pretty funny right?

Robyn Hayward is mentioned as a Trump donor. I'm about as negative on Trump supporters as anyone could be, due to various aspects of my background (worked in Wall Street research in the 80s, hence have known he was one of the worst crooks in the country for decades; first-generation immigrant, hence Constitutional patriot). But it's not a big deal for me in this particular instance, and I imagine it isn't for the players either. I was actually more worried by the young white suburban parents club of Hayward/Theis/Baynes that somehow didn't seem to include Horford or anybody else of color. But I doubt that's a big issue either.

There are reasons for Hayward to be highly popular with his teammates -- he praises them publicly, likes to distribute the ball, etc. I doubt he reaches the upside of that popularity, given what we know about the previous role-on-team tensions or his general whitebreadness. But I doubt there's any serious negativity at this point either.

[Fencer reregistered]

When will Kanter be back? This thread is kind of pointless until we see how we look with him playing. a few random thoughts:

1. We do probably need help at the 5 and going cheap would be the easiest way.

2. Hayward could be moved. It's not PC but he is a handsome white guy and America is pretty racist. Some team might be willing to overpay. Some team not selling tickets. When I was a kid I remember my uncle who was a die hard Nets fan talking to me about Larry Bird. Now my uncle wasn't racist at all and was a short white guy. But I remember him saying how great it felt seeing a guy that looked like him do so well in a game where almost everyone didn't look like him. We can hate it all we want, but it is something. If Hayward keeps improving, I could see some crappy team trying to sell him to their fan base as a big star. We are about winning over money, but not everyone is.

surprised you didn't work global warming, gun control and a few other liberal talking points into the post

You're missing the point. Whiteness in the past was a big deal in team marketing, and can be presumed to be financially helpful to a team even now. I don't think it rises today to the 1950s levels of the St. Louis Hawks not wanting Bill Russell or even the 1970s levels of teams feeling the need to have "token white forwards". But, for example, the Atlanta Hawks' leaked concerns about their marketing skewing too "black" wasn't all that long ago.

[Fencer reregistered]

Cody is a pretty darn decent player. Whats his salary cap number?

~$15mm

which makes it impossible to make a deal for Zeller...Or at least a deal that would make any sense for Boston

Didn't you previously advocate for acquiring WCS? What if anything has changed?

[Andrew McCeltic]

The thing is, we've never seen Drummond out of Detroit and with a decent coach. Who he's had as coach since he got in the NBA?

1. Lawrence Frank - Career losing coach
2. Mo Cheeks - Awful coach, only made it to the playoffs 3 times
3. John Loyer - who the hell is that?
4. Stan Van Gundy - The guy who in 4 seasons in detroit only made it to the playoffs once and he wanted to play Drummond - Monroe - Smith lineup, which clearly didn't work out.
5. Dwane Casey - probably the best coach out of this 5, but still not a great one either.

What I mean is: He's had 5 different coaches, 5 different aproaches to the game and none of those were winning coaches (except for Casey). What keeps you from thinking he could thrive in a different situation other than Detroit since he never tried it?

I’ve had the same thought on Drummond, and he works hard every offseason. But he’s 27 now, I don’t know if it’s worth the gamble when he’s 2-3 years away from falling off the same cliff Deandre Jordan and Dwight Howard have.. (Drummond to Phoenix for Ayton/Tyler Johnson wouldn’t shock me, tbh).

Phx isn't giving away Ayton, he's proving to be a really solid player and has a high celling. I'd be completly shocked if they did that move. Drummond is 26, he'll be 27 next year. I think it's worthy since Drummond doesn't rely as much as Howard and Jordan used to on their athleticism, he got other tools and can be better than both given the right approach and training.

He really doesn’t, though - he couldn’t post up as well as Dwight, which is why SVG’s plan went bust - he’s the most dominant rebounder in the league but the hope is that with a new environment and coaching he’d lock in as the most dominant defensive presence, too, and maybe look better on offense with a true stretch 4 and good perimeter players. There’s no one on the roster I’d give up to match salary to take that chance. If we could trade up from Theis/Kanter to Meyers Leonard to Mahinmi to Tyler Johnson to whoever with a couple firsts, sure. Steven Adams is better.

[Andrew McCeltic]

While I like the idea of what WCS can do, i don't believe he's a fit for the type of culture we have established here. Sac wouldn't keep him for basically a bag of peanuts and there was very little to no interest in the market for him. Turns out those concerns coming out of college were true.

I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole coming out of Kentucky.

But now? I think he's got a track record of being active on the court in Sacramento. Maybe he's tough to work with behind the scenes, but he isn't some Andray Blatche type on the court waiting to huck up a shot. He's given pro effort as a pro. And he'd take up roughly the same payroll as Semi Ojeleye.

You bring in WCS then it will be at the cost of Rob's playing time, who I believe has a long term future here in Boston. Theis and Grant are a mainstay in the rotation and we'll get Kanter back soon. Where's the PT coming from?

Wish I knew why he was out of favor in Sacramento.

More minutes planned for Bagley, and they signed Dedmon (who would be a realistic target for us if the Kings aren’t in the playoff hunt).

And he sucks. Young players who underachieve after getting plenty of minutes in decent developmental environments for several years aren’t worth it - just get a decent vet or go for a higher upside project. Marquesse Chriss getting another chance in Golden State is actually interesting..