ATL: The 2019-20 Season Has Begun

[kid idioteque]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I would not. I still don't believe he's a point guard.

[Willie Colon]

Obviously they need Oladipo back but a 3-4 start for the Pacers with the schedule they've played is not exactly inspiring.

They're also missing their best defender, Miles Turner, and Sabonis. They're going to be tough to beat once fully healthy. Reminder that they matched up very well with us last year and have added two high quality starters.

[H2tObes]

Obviously they need Oladipo back but a 3-4 start for the Pacers with the schedule they've played is not exactly inspiring.

They're also missing their best defender, Miles Turner, and Sabonis. They're going to be tough to beat once fully healthy. Reminder that they matched up very well with us last year and have added two high quality starters.

They went 0-3 to start the season against Det x2 and Cleveland, with both Myles and Sabonis healthy. They've probably had the easiest schedule in the league up to this point, they've been nothing but underwhelming so far. McMillan is really overrated.

Yes, Indiana gained some players in the offseason, but they also lost quite a few important players. They've just shuffled around the deck chairs, you can't talk like they improved drastically.

Dipo needs to come back and be a bonafide star for me to be convinced they have a chance against us, which even with Dipo healthy they have tons of question marks.

[midranger]

Yeah, putting indys “struggles” on Brogdon is mysterious.

[MikeIsGood]

Don't care that it's against the Cavs. Have we talked about Gordon Hayward? 39/7/8. By far his best game since injury.

[Coach Carter]

Just last week i was actually thinking if boston would do Gordon Hayward for khris straight up. I like that hayward can actually create for others.

[Bucksfan28]

Don't care that it's against the Cavs. Have we talked about Gordon Hayward? 39/7/8. By far his best game since injury.

Ya love to see it.

[emunney]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I would not. I still don't believe he's a point guard.

This is getting to be an awfully tenuous position.

[Bernman]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I feel like we'd get torched by every backcourt in the league if we made that swap.

What if we played DiVincenzo at the 1 defensively, while allowing Brogdon to guard 2's while playing more of the point offensively? It's a false dilemma that for the Bucks to have retained Brogdon he would have had to guard 1's most of the time. I imagine when Oladipo comes back he'll guard 1's. Lamb isn't going to do it now.

I feel like some people are resorting to mental gymnastics to pretend like we didn't lose anything when we lost a core player for nothing, in the short-term at least. And not much on paper in the long-term.

[soxperry]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I feel like we'd get torched by every backcourt in the league if we made that swap.

What if we played DiVincenzo at the 1 defensively, while allowing Brogdon to guard 2's while playing more of the point offensively? It's a false dilemma that for the Bucks to have retained Brogdon he would have had to guard 1's most of the time. I imagine when Oladipo comes back he'll guard 1's. Lamb isn't going to do it now.

I feel like some people are resorting to mental gymnastics to pretend like we didn't lose anything when we lost a core player for nothing, in the short-term at least. And not much on paper in the long-term.

i can't hear you over the sound of Giannis dominating so thoroughly.

[Ayt]

Don't care that it's against the Cavs. Have we talked about Gordon Hayward? 39/7/8. By far his best game since injury.

16-16 from 2. Crazy game for him.

[Pachinko_]

I love Brogdon and I hate not having him on the team, but there's just no way he could do for us what he does for Indiana right now.

We had reduced him to a drive or catch & shoot guy because that's what our system demands for anyone playing next to Giannis. What little creating is left is strictly reserved for Middleton, that's just the order of things on the Bucks, and you don't **** around with a system that works. And it works very well for us, Brogdon did what he had to do without complaining or creating any problems and I'm grateful for that. A truly classy guy.

But there's a lot more to Brogdon, it was time for him to move on and find an environment where he can use all of his skills. I'm happy for him and at least we got something back.

I'm moving on from this.

[Bernman]

i can't hear you over the sound of Giannis dominating so thoroughly.

That was a goal post move out of the stadium and you're talking to me like I'm a fan of an opponent as opposed to someone who is disappointed the team we root for didn't utilize all their resources to put the best roster possible. You should be the same if your goal is to a win a championship.

Brogdon wouldn't have detracted from that only enhanced it. He was one of the team's best performers in the playoffs in spite of being hindered by injury and rust. Bledsoe was not. Of course he fell apart. So even if he yielded results now it would come with an asterisk. Even MVP Giannis was mortal against Toronto. Multiple Brogdons could have offset that. At least you could have referenced DiVincenzo. That would have been moderately rational. But it was easy to justify retaining both if they would have pitched Bled over the side, as we've discussed ad nauseum.

[Antinomy]

Just last week i was actually thinking if boston would do Gordon Hayward for khris straight up. I like that hayward can actually create for others.

Lateral move at best.

We struggle with two things:
1) Controlling pace
2) Consistency in the half court

Hayward doesn’t solve any of our issues.

[WRau1]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I feel like we'd get torched by every backcourt in the league if we made that swap.

What if we played DiVincenzo at the 1 defensively, while allowing Brogdon to guard 2's while playing more of the point offensively? It's a false dilemma that for the Bucks to have retained Brogdon he would have had to guard 1's most of the time. I imagine when Oladipo comes back he'll guard 1's. Lamb isn't going to do it now.

I feel like some people are resorting to mental gymnastics to pretend like we didn't lose anything when we lost a core player for nothing, in the short-term at least. And not much on paper in the long-term.

Having DiVincenzo as your starting PG probably makes you have the worst guard rotation in the league. I don't think anyone is saying that the Brogdon loss doesn't hurt, it's just way overblown.

[BroncoBuck]

Just last week i was actually thinking if boston would do Gordon Hayward for khris straight up. I like that hayward can actually create for others.

[Cooleyo47]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I would not. I still don't believe he's a point guard.

This is getting to be an awfully tenuous position.

Dude's NetRtg is +16 on a so-so team and he's 2nd in the league in assists.

The Bucks may have enough depth to be fine for this season without him, but they severely misjudged this one...

They let go of an All-Star who just entered his prime.

[kid idioteque]

Say what you want about Brogdon, but I would feel considerably more confident about our chances to win the east and win it all if we swapped Bledsoe for him right now.

I would not. I still don't believe he's a point guard.

This is getting to be an awfully tenuous position.

Let me clarify. Brogdon very badly wanted to be a team's 1a or 1b option and he's got that now. He's going to be a very ball-dominant point guard which is maybe okay for the Pacers.

And then it comes down to "we should've signed him anyway" to which I respond, no, at that salary I don't want an injury-prone guy whose heart isn't in it.

[kid idioteque]

I would not. I still don't believe he's a point guard.

This is getting to be an awfully tenuous position.

Dude's NetRtg is +16 on a so-so team and he's 2nd in the league in assists.

The Bucks may have enough depth to be fine for this season without him, but they severely misjudged this one...

They let go of an All-Star who just entered his prime.

Fit is important.

Look at Houston.

[DingleJerry]

I've generally stayed out on this one. My big pic view on it is that I get what MKE did with the cap situation, getting picks back, Brog's injuries, etc. It was a totally logical move and I get it.

But, I think Bucks fans in general are going to far in trying to dismiss Brogdon as not being that good of a player, that he won't be missed, product of Giannis, etc. Those type of takes. The guy is very good, we should all prefer that we have him. But the logistics on it made for a tricky situation.