MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[I_Like_Dirt]

Wasnt the night he had 9 to?

Yup. He had 9 TOs and shot 2 for 11. He poked Anunoby in the eye, too, and took him out of the game so he didn't have to face him the way Lebron did. Smart strategy?

I think Kawhi is probably the best player in the NBA when the chips are down but he's definitely a Ferrari that spends his time tuning up and then gets cranked out for a very specific race. He's good in the regular season but isn't likely going to be the MVP. Harden is currently averaging an efficient 38/6/8 while Giannis is averaging an efficient 30/14/7. Both those guys have generally been pretty durable, too, and are playing for teams that are going to win 50+ games. Unless someone makes a massive jump, those are really the only two choices. Kawhi doesn't care about the regular season enough to challenge those kinds of performances. There's a certain parallel to Shaq that way.

[Colbinii]

Wasnt the night he had 9 to?

Yup. He had 9 TOs and shot 2 for 11. He poked Anunoby in the eye, too, and took him out of the game so he didn't have to face him the way Lebron did. Smart strategy?

I think Kawhi is probably the best player in the NBA when the chips are down but he's definitely a Ferrari that spends his time tuning up and then gets cranked out for a very specific race. He's good in the regular season but isn't likely going to be the MVP. Harden is currently averaging an efficient 38/6/8 while Giannis is averaging an efficient 30/14/7. Both those guys have generally been pretty durable, too, and are playing for teams that are going to win 50+ games. Unless someone makes a massive jump, those are really the only two choices. Kawhi doesn't care about the regular season enough to challenge those kinds of performances. There's a certain parallel to Shaq that way.

Paul George is also significantly better than Middleton and Westbrook. AD is also better than the two mentioned above.

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[TurboTitan]

James Harden might be the best all around scorer of all time

In the RS?

Arguable.

Not in the playoffs though.

yeah, prob shouldve clarified that

[K_chile22]

Harden being so far behind Doncic is interesting

[User_friendly]

Harden being so far behind Doncic is interesting

And Kawhi.
But I think Harden's difference is more flagrant.
I don't disagree Doncic being around the top 10 right now. But this top 3 doesn't give credit to the list really.

[Texas Chuck]

Harden being so far behind Doncic is interesting

well this poll is more popularity contest than anything and Luka is the new shiny toy and well we all know how divisive Harden is.

But it goes without saying that Harden will almost certainly be a legit MVP candidate again this season and Luka should start earning his first MVP shares but finish outside the top 5. Unless the Mavs shockingly go crazy and win 48+ but that isn't going to happen.

Even Luka said this week he's not an MVP candidate.

[Dupp]

Hardens back in it. This will be a two man race again between him and Greek.

Houston lucked out with Gordon’s Injury.

[Colbinii]

Harden being so far behind Doncic is interesting

well this poll is more popularity contest than anything and Luka is the new shiny toy and well we all know how divisive Harden is.

But it goes without saying that Harden will almost certainly be a legit MVP candidate again this season and Luka should start earning his first MVP shares but finish outside the top 5. Unless the Mavs shockingly go crazy and win 48+ but that isn't going to happen.

Even Luka said this week he's not an MVP candidate.

Luka is very smart.

I said it before but he is at the point in his career where he is racking up crazy numbers and will take a year or two to fully figure out how to have an impact far beyond the stats. Once he gets to that point watch out as it will be earlier than most stars.

[scrabbarista]

Harden being so far behind Doncic is interesting

well this poll is more popularity contest than anything and Luka is the new shiny toy and well we all know how divisive Harden is.

But it goes without saying that Harden will almost certainly be a legit MVP candidate again this season and Luka should start earning his first MVP shares but finish outside the top 5. Unless the Mavs shockingly go crazy and win 48+ but that isn't going to happen.

Even Luka said this week he's not an MVP candidate.

We need to be able to change our votes. I voted like two(?) weeks ago for KAT and haven't been able to change my vote.

[Noctilux]

You gotta put Melo in the discussion now that he's back in the NBA.

[K_chile22]

Hardens back in it. This will be a two man race again between him and Greek.

Houston lucked out with Gordon’s Injury.

How so? He always starts off like hot garbage then starts hitting everything in December. He finally looked like himself that last game before he got hurt too

[Triples333]

Luka is no MVP. I watched every minute of another 30/10/10+, but he has very little awareness still. The kid takes horrid shots in opportune times. He could have easily beat the Knicks tonight, but frankly they were too selfish and stupid to make it happen
They're kids, I don't blame them.


Despite insane stats (see: inflated as all hell), the top level of play this year is not elite compared to the greats. That's not just Luka, he just exemplifies how damn inflated per game stats are right now. Fact.

We got Harden averaging damn near 40 on 39/31 due to ridiculous usage and FT attempts. The per game stats have become a complete joke.

[Jayt99]

Empty stats Luka being on that list is gross

[RB34]

Giannis has this on lock so far.

[OverAndOut]

Giannis will pick up his 2nd MVP.

[LoneyROY]

Luka is no MVP. I watched every minute of another 30/10/10+, but he has very little awareness still. The kid takes horrid shots in opportune times. He could have easily beat the Knicks tonight, but frankly they were too selfish and stupid to make it happen
They're kids, I don't blame them.


Despite insane stats (see: inflated as all hell), the top level of play this year is not elite compared to the greats. That's not just Luka, he just exemplifies how damn inflated per game stats are right now. Fact.

We got Harden averaging damn near 40 on 39/31 due to ridiculous usage and FT attempts. The per game stats have become a complete joke.

Why can't people get stats right? Harden is not shooting 39 percent.

[mariller]

Luka is no MVP. I watched every minute of another 30/10/10+, but he has very little awareness still. The kid takes horrid shots in opportune times. He could have easily beat the Knicks tonight, but frankly they were too selfish and stupid to make it happen
They're kids, I don't blame them.


Despite insane stats (see: inflated as all hell), the top level of play this year is not elite compared to the greats. That's not just Luka, he just exemplifies how damn inflated per game stats are right now. Fact.

We got Harden averaging damn near 40 on 39/31 due to ridiculous usage and FT attempts. The per game stats have become a complete joke.

Why can't people get stats right? Harden is not shooting 39 percent.

Well on 11/3 it was 37% so he wasn't far off.

[LikeABosh]

Trending towards being a footrace between Giannis and Harden once again. Would be kind of funny if Harden averaged 37 points for 2 seasons straight and didn't win an MVP for either of them

[Yuri36]

So through this thread, we are now learning that Doncic is a stat padder and that Harden deserves more MVP considerations than Doncic despite being a far bigger stat padder (as showed by his shooting percentage comparing to Doncic's).
Oh and the stat padding Doncic has "only" the second best efficiency in the league behind Giannis....and to me, that stat is one of the most significant one when it comes to judge a player.
So keep going on the stat padding Doncic, I just can't stop laughing.

[Archx]

So through this thread, we are now learning that Doncic is a stat padder and that Harden deserves more MVP considerations than Doncic despite being a far bigger stat padder (as showed by his shooting percentage comparing to Doncic's).
Oh and the stat padding Doncic has "only" the second best efficiency in the league behind Giannis....and to me, that stat is one of the most significant one when it comes to judge a player.
So keep going on the stat padding Doncic, I just can't stop laughing.

Was told he won't be able to dribble in the NBA. It's interesting when suddenly only argument is that he is stat padding his 30pt triple doubles at 20yo.