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Little Nathan wrote:
I'm sure it was a great talk, a fantastic talk, probably the greatest talk ever. Absolutely huge.
Jeffster81 wrote:Little Nathan wrote:
I'm sure it was a great talk, a fantastic talk, probably the greatest talk ever. Absolutely huge.
There might have been some of the infamous Jon Paxson "persuasion" that might attribute to this "clearing the air" conversation between Lavine and Boylen.
BigUps wrote:coldfish wrote:BigUps wrote:
Who cares? Boylen is doing more harm than good on EVERYONE (biggest example is Lauri).
Arguing Zach vs Boylen is really pointless. Boylen is bringing everyone down. He's not the guy. I'd give Zach a massive high five if he could complain enough to get Boylen fired. That alone would be an insane level of value that he brought to the team.
I look at it the opposite way.
Boylen's not a good coach. I'm not going to shed a tear when he is fired. But he isn't the problem.
As of this minute, Lavine's on/off:
On the court, 515 minutes, -8.9 per 100 differential
Off the court, 253 minutes, +7.2 per 100 differential
I don't think I have ever seen anything like that. A team's best player being its absolute worst. Just to put some data points to show how mind blowing that is, the Warriors had the second best net rating in the NBA last year at +6.4. They won 57 games. The Bulls as a team won 24 games last year with a net rating of -8.4. Effectively, Zach stepping on the floor turns the Bulls from playing like a 60 win team to a 20 win team.
I would love to see Lauri's numbers without Lavine. Same with Wendell. I suspect they are through the roof.
If Boylen was really bringing everyone down like you say, how are they playing so well when Lavine is on the bench? Boylen can stay or go, I don't care. The issue with the team is looking more and more like its Lavine. Boylen went after him personally. Its about time.
Is Boylen not responsible for going to Zach hero ball every 4th quarter? Is losing not getting to this team? Is Lauri not in complete shambles right now? Should Gafford have been glued to the bench? Sato is playing like poopie, guess Boylen takes no responsibility for that? Whys isn't our best 3 point shooter (Valentine) playing when we can't hit 3's?
Your defense is much like the GOP's defense of Trump. Its riddled with miopic talking points to state how poorly Zach is playing. I'm not arguing he's playing well, nobody is. I'm arguing Boylen is a bigger issue.
Getting rid of Zach could arguably improve us, but getting rid of Boylen will improve us more. He's the bigger problem, now and long term. The only bigger problem is GarPax. Do you have a stat for that? What is GarPax's on/off?
Boylen's not a good coach. I'm not going to shed a tear when he is fired.
Its riddled with miopic talking points to state how poorly Zach is playing. I'm not arguing he's playing well, nobody is. I'm arguing Boylen is a bigger issue.
The only bigger problem is GarPax. Do you have a stat for that? What is GarPax's on/off?
MeloRoseNoah wrote:Little Nathan wrote:
I'm sure it was a great talk, a fantastic talk, probably the greatest talk ever. Absolutely huge.
Their spirits were in harmony after the discussion.
dougthonus wrote:Can't say I'm surprised by this turn of events given that Boylen threw the team under the bus twice this season already.
transplant wrote:
And LaVine said...?
Jcool0 wrote:transplant wrote:
And LaVine said...?
Payt10 wrote:This is what I am imagining right now:
The Bulls will scapegoat Lavine and trade him while his value is at an all-time low, and then talk about how much trust they have in Jim Boylen. Flash forward a year or so later, Boylen gets fired, while Lavine is having a career year somewhere else.
You know something like this is going to happen.
WindyCityBorn wrote:Payt10 wrote:This is what I am imagining right now:
The Bulls will scapegoat Lavine and trade him while his value is at an all-time low, and then talk about how much trust they have in Jim Boylen. Flash forward a year or so later, Boylen gets fired, while Lavine is having a career year somewhere else.
You know something like this is going to happen.
Not sure I agree. Paxson has basically staked his job on Markkanen and LaVine. I would not be surprised if he "encouraged" Boylen to try and fix this this ASAP. It's easier to say the coach sucks than I chose the wrong players.
kodo wrote:It's a tough situation because Zach's not a good defender, so one would think Boylen is right to pull him for not showing on defense.
But the reality is Zach is 100% correct here. The Bulls run their defense without any adjustments and teams figure it out by halftime, or in the first 5 minutes like Miami.“I don’t remember seeing three egregious mistakes,” LaVine said. “I think I was supposed to show on one. And I didn’t. I told him because Jimmy doesn’t usually set screens. He slips out of them. I didn’t want to show and have him cut right to the basket. They told me to show and I didn’t show. The other two, I don’t know.
Bulls always, always hard hedge even if the ballhandler is not a threat and the screener is a threat. This is a typical case:
Even if one of our guards is capable of stopping a rolling center at the rim, Kyle Korver was left wide open at the corner 3.
Here's the exact scenario Lavine was talking about. Butler screen, Zach shows hard as Boylen demanded, Butler left open in the paint with nobody guarding him.
Bulls defense has overall done a good job, but what Zach is saying would be an improvement and the Bulls need all the help they can get.
I would have just said I'm pulling you Zach because your offense sucks, and that's your specialty.
