2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[RHODEY]

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LaMelo goes off against the RJ Hampton

This dude threw the ball off the rim just to go out and get his triple double

FOH, anybody that wants this clown in NY deserves the circus he would bring with him

and he seems a little slow footed, that dunk barely made it over the rim.

[Thugger HBC]

We gonna be alright as long as we land a top 5 pick. All those guys will be highly productive NBA players.

[Tron Carter]

we need a shooter. I’m rolling with nico and (obviously) edwards rn.

[TheScout31]

For Nico Mannion, I'd be wary of Jimmer 2.0 stuff, but if has a shred of athleticism, the new "no defense" NBA should allow him to thrive.

I think it's something that some teams and fans haven't adjusted to. Players who couldn't make it in the league 10 or 20 years ago can now, if they can shoot and are skillful, if not as athletic, as long as they are athletic enough.

Even Jimmer still couldn't make it, even now. It has to be a tick more athletic than that, but not by a lot.

He’s literally nothing like Jimmer at all on either side of the court.

[Chanel Bomber]

We gonna be alright as long as we land a top 5 pick. All those guys will be highly productive NBA players.

Every draft has its busts at the top.

Unless it's a clear and obvious generational talent (even then), I'm not trusting anyone.

[ADeP7]

The fact that lamelo will be polarizing to this board and start debates between people makes me pray the knicks draft him haha

[mpharris36]

For Nico Mannion, I'd be wary of Jimmer 2.0 stuff, but if has a shred of athleticism, the new "no defense" NBA should allow him to thrive.

I think it's something that some teams and fans haven't adjusted to. Players who couldn't make it in the league 10 or 20 years ago can now, if they can shoot and are skillful, if not as athletic, as long as they are athletic enough.

Even Jimmer still couldn't make it, even now. It has to be a tick more athletic than that, but not by a lot.

He’s literally nothing like Jimmer at all on either side of the court.

outside of him being white there is literally no similarities

[thebuzzardman]

For Nico Mannion, I'd be wary of Jimmer 2.0 stuff, but if has a shred of athleticism, the new "no defense" NBA should allow him to thrive.

I think it's something that some teams and fans haven't adjusted to. Players who couldn't make it in the league 10 or 20 years ago can now, if they can shoot and are skillful, if not as athletic, as long as they are athletic enough.

Even Jimmer still couldn't make it, even now. It has to be a tick more athletic than that, but not by a lot.

He’s literally nothing like Jimmer at all on either side of the court.

outside of him being white there is literally no similarities

Sometimes there are guys whose level of athleticism/skill doesn't play at the next level. I didn't say he was like Jimmer, just that it's a possibility. Again, if there is enough athleticism, I think the lack of defense lets more guys thrive who wouldn't have before.

[jvsimonetti0514]

whose form do you think is more broken, Lonzo's or LaMelo's? I feel like Lonzo's was way worse.

[Polk377]

He’s literally nothing like Jimmer at all on either side of the court.

outside of him being white there is literally no similarities

Sometimes there are guys whose level of athleticism/skill doesn't play at the next level. I didn't say he was like Jimmer, just that it's a possibility. Again, if there is enough athleticism, I think the lack of defense lets more guys thrive who wouldn't have before.

Nico = Trey Young. Both can shoot lights out, crafty with the ball, great passing awareness, have a high level floater to penetrate, quick decision makers, confident, very thin with T-Rex arms.

Trey was worth the risk and so is Nico.

[Jeffrey]

I've already commented on Edwards' Melo-lite game. If he is solid on the defensive end, then I"m all for him. His offense will be 20+ scorer but can he make the team better? If we're going for a top 5 pick, I seriously want a 2-way player with good measurements (height, wingspan etc.).

Frank-Edwards-Barrett and Mitch can be a defensive force with Edwards and Barrett being the focal point of the offense.

[The-Power]

Nico = Trey Young. Both can shoot lights out, crafty with the ball, great passing awareness, have a high level floater to penetrate, quick decision makers, confident, very thin with T-Rex arms.

Trey was worth the risk and so is Nico.

Trae Young is way quicker, craftier around the rim and a more creative and better passer (one of the best in the league already). They definitely aren't equals.

Can a frank cole backcourt work???

Best possible fit, actually. Complement each other well and Cole is actually the best off-ball PG who can also be your primary scorer/playmaker. He plays a lot off the ball already – and actually moves around with purpose – and his team quite frankly sucks on offense.

Say the knicks add lamelo or Cole. And then acquire a pick around 10-16 range.
Anyone have a favorite Sg/SF to target in that range

Precious Achiuwa - perfect wing, loads of potential.

Aaron Henry - Defensive stud at the 3, needs to work on his shooting.

Maybe Josh Green or Cassius Stanley as a two guard, although I doubt Barrett wants to play the three.

Achiuwa is definitely a 4 at this point, and he has struggled quite a bit thus far. He doesn't play like a wing at all and he doesn't have the tools either. His chance at success is from being an athletic 4 who develops more skills than the average 4 (but he has a lot to work on to get there).

Henry, I don't see him worth being a late lottery pick. Stanley has very few translatable NBA skills, I wouldn't draft him at all. Green should easily be able to play at the 3 spot, and that's what Barrett could/should play as well. Who cares where a young player wants to play if the coaching staff sees this as the best way forward? What a terrible precedent that would set.

I like Obi too as a forward tho.

Obi is a 4/5, not a wing.

Somebody tell me what Lamelo Ball can do that Tyrese Haliburton can't? I'll wait

If you really want a flashy PG with size, then atleast target the one who has better skills than Lamelo.

Haliburton is indeed underrated. If he can sustain the aggressiveness he's shown the last three games against good competition, I'd take him over Ball. Similar strengths and weaknesses but fewer question marks.

[thebuzzardman]

outside of him being white there is literally no similarities

Sometimes there are guys whose level of athleticism/skill doesn't play at the next level. I didn't say he was like Jimmer, just that it's a possibility. Again, if there is enough athleticism, I think the lack of defense lets more guys thrive who wouldn't have before.

Nico = Trey Young. Both can shoot lights out, crafty with the ball, great passing awareness, have a high level floater to penetrate, quick decision makers, confident, very thin with T-Rex arms.

Trey was worth the risk and so is Nico.

I was wondering if the skill and quickness were sufficient - that's all. You seem to think so. I have no idea, other than I was idly speculating that there have been other guys who played at a high level in college who didn't quite translate. Obviously with Jimmer, he was like a ball dominant SG in a PG sized body, but he'd make some fairly creative passes etc.

Jimmer was smaller in height - that's an important difference right away. But I realize they aren't stylistically the same at all.

Again, mostly idle thought.

Here's another guy who looked really impressive in college, though I think there were concerns about level of competition, but he looked very skilled and athletic, but it hasn't translated in a meaningful way yet - Huerter. Then again, KH is still really young and he's already carved out a role as a rotation guy, even if it's on a rebuilding kind of team. Then again, different styles, heights, athleticism - any KH concerns I think were about level of comp and would what looked pretty impressive continue to do so.

Again, VERY different player.

I was wondering if the Trae Young comp would give Nico a chance, but sometimes there's enough skill and athleticism to separate young players where one guy is basically star level and the other guy is a noticeable level(s) down in the NBA.

Haven't watched enough of Nico to have a real opinion

[TheGreenArrow]

http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

cole out of top tier, lamelo in. Nico 4th over cole.

Mock has us taking lamelo 3rd over cole

Exactly as they should.

[EdgeOf]

Achiuwa is definitely a 4 at this point, and he has struggled quite a bit thus far. He doesn't play like a wing at all and he doesn't have the tools either. His chance at success is from being an athletic 4 who develops more skills than the average 4 (but he has a lot to work on to get there).

I still see a 3 here and don’t think he will get drafted as a 4. Yes he has a lot of work to do

Henry, I don't see him worth being a late lottery pick. Stanley has very few translatable NBA skills, I wouldn't draft him at all. Green should easily be able to play at the 3 spot, and that's what Barrett could/should play as well. Who cares where a young player wants to play if the coaching staff sees this as the best way forward? What a terrible precedent that would set.

Fine **** it. Just draft Tyrese Maxey and force Barrett to defend the 3 then. Aaron Henry would then be a great pickup with our second rounder. TRade up and pair him with Haliburton the thats you’re guy.

[Capn'O]

Anyone want to take over a BAF team. We have an opening and they have draft picks

[3toheadmelo]

Draftexpress new mock. Some new changes. Lamelo at #1, Edwards #2, Wiseman #3.

Spoiler:

1. NYK LaMelo Ball Illawarra 6-7 PG 18.2
2. MEM Anthony Edwards Georgia 6-3 SG 18.3
3. CHA James Wiseman Memphis 7-1 C 18.6
4. ATL Cole Anthony North Carolina 6-3 PG/SG 19.5
5. GSW RJ Hampton NZ Breakers 6-5 PG 18.8
6. CLE Deni Avdija Maccabi 6-9 SG/SF 18.9
7. CHI Nico Mannion Arizona 6-3 PG 18.7
8. WAS Tyrese Maxey Kentucky 6-3 PG/SG 19.0
9. DET Jaden McDaniels Washington 6-10 SF/PF 19.1
10. NOP Tyrese Haliburton Iowa St 6-5 PG 19.7
11. SAS Precious Achiuwa Memphis 6-9 PF/C 20.4
12. OKC Theo Maledon Villeurbanne 6-5 PG 18.4
13. SAC Obi Toppin Dayton 6-9 PF 21.7
14. PHX Killian Hayes Ulm 6-5 PG/SG 18.3
15. MIN Isaac Okoro Auburn 6-6 SG/SF 18.8
16. ORL Josh Green Arizona 6-6 SG/SF 19.0
17. ATL (via BKN) Isaiah Stewart Washington 6-9 C 18.5
18. POR Vernon Carey Duke 6-10 C 18.7
19. MIL (via IND) Scottie Lewis Florida 6-5 SG/SF 19.7
20. DAL Trendon Watford LSU 6-9 PF 19.0
21. UTA Tre Jones Duke 6-3 PG 19.8
22. MIA Patrick Williams Florida St 6-8 SF/PF 18.2
23. BKN (via PHI) Zeke Nnaji Arizona 7-0 C 18.8
24. OKC (via DEN) Kahlil Whitney Kentucky 6-7 SF/PF 18.8
25. BOS Karim Mane Vanier 6-6 SG 19.5
26. HOU Isaiah Joe Arkansas 6-5 SG 20.4
27. LAC Jordan Nwora Louisville 6-8 SF/PF 21.2
28. TOR Cassius Winston Michigan St 6-1 PG 21.7
29. LAL Aaron Nesmith Vanderbilt 6-6 SF 20.1
30. BOS (via MIL) Onyeka Okongwu USC 6-9 PF/C 18.9
31. PHI (via NYK) Aleksej Pokusevski Olympiakos B 7-0 PF 17.9
32. WAS (via MEM) Matthew Hurt Duke 6-9 PF 19.6
33. NYK (via CHA) Amar Sylla Oostende 6-9 PF/C 18.1
34. PHI (via ATL) Aaron Henry Michigan St 6-6 SG 20.2
35. DAL (via GSW) Makur Maker CIBA 6-11 PF/C 19.0
36. CHA (via CLE) Ochai Agbaji Kansas 6-5 SG/SF 19.6
37. CHI A.J. Lawson South Carolina 6-6 SG 19.3
38. NOP (via WAS) Jalen Smith Maryland 6-10 PF 19.7
39. SAC (via DET) Myles Powell Seton Hall 6-1 PG/SG 22.4
40. NOP Kira Lewis Alabama 6-3 PG 18.6
41. SAS Reggie Perry Mississippi St. 6-9 PF/C 19.6
42. OKC Paul Reed DePaul 6-9 PF 20.4
43. SAC Kenyon Martin Jr. IMG Academy 6-7 SF/PF 18.9
44. MEM (via PHX) Paul Eboua Pesaro 6-8 PF 19.7
45. MIN Malcolm Cazalon Leuven 6-6 SG 18.2
46. ORL Filip Petrusev Gonzaga 7-0 PF/C 19.6
47. BOS (via BKN) Anthony Lamb Vermont 6-6 SF/PF 21.8
48. POR Abdoulaye N'doye Cholet 6-7 PG/SG 21.7
49. IND Devin Vassell Florida St 6-5 SG/SF 19.2
50. PHI (via DAL) Naji Marshall Xavier 6-8 SF/PF 21.8
51. DAL (via UTA) Devon Dotson Kansas 6-2 PG 20.3
52. SAC (via MIA) Nahziah Carter Washington 6-6 SG/SF 20.2
53. PHI Cassius Stanley Duke 6-6 SG/SF 20.2
54. BKN (via DEN) Borisa Simanic Red Star 7-0 PF 21.7
55. CHA (via BOS) Ashton Hagans Kentucky 6-3 PG 20.4
56. SAC (via HOU) Ayo Dosunmu Illinois 6-4 SG 19.8
57. LAC Skylar Mays LSU 6-4 SG 22.2
58. TOR Jon Teske Michigan 7-1 C 22.5
59. ORL (via LAL) Mamadi Diakite Virginia 6-9 PF/C 24.8
60. NOP (via MIL) Aleksa Radanov FMP 6-8 SG 21.8

[2010]

Just popping in to say Cole makes me yawn. Very basic player who makes me tired watching him play. Next in line of the very long list of overrated overhyped NYC point guards.

[3toheadmelo]

Just popping in to say Cole makes me yawn. Very basic player who makes me tired watching him play. Next in line of the very long list of overrated overhyped NYC point guards.

His effiency is pretty poor and his playmaking is not good. Just 1 assist in his last game and 3 assists in the prior game. I am not seeing how people would take him #1, let alone I don’t even think he is the best PG of the draft. While I think he will still be a solid player and won’t be that upset if we got him, I am definitely taking Wiseman, Edwards, Lamelo, Nico over him.

[HEZI]

Anybody wanna post Edwards and Lamelo efficiency so we can compare to Cole?

Actually post entire stats lets compare