Cam Reddish on pace for worst shooting season in modern era

[Duke4life831]

Why is everyone surprised? We were already primed with this amazing thread:
Why draft Cam Reddish aside from "potential"? https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1816528

And then we also had this gem

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But I guess you guys were persuaded by the Rookie Survey
Cam Reddish To Have Best NBA Career, According To Rookie Surveyhttps://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1883901

I know everyone (especially Dirk) thinks Im this big time Duke homer (... I am...), I do stick by what I said in this thread that was quoted here. Me in March on Cam.

"Find me one star player that had as bad of shooting stats as this as a freshman

35/33/76 and 20 more turnovers than assists (below 50 TS%). These numbers are even worse when looking at conference play, so you don't have all the cupcakes that college teams play against factored in.

I've been on and off the Cam hype train roller coaster. But when I took a step back and took off the Duke blue tinted shades, i don't see a NBA prospect at the moment, let alone a top 5, 10, lotto or 1st round pick.

He has size and defense. But the defense isn't elite enough to take him solely on that. He is a jump shooter that has always been inconsistent with his jumper and so far is barely above 30% from 3 in conference play and in the low 70s from the line. I don't recall a 1st round prospect as poor at attacking the basket as Cam. Every time he attacks the basket is a great bet that 1 of 3 things will happen. He just fumbles the ball, he stumbles and falls over, he runs into a guy for a charge.

And it's not like he is this raw athlete either. His explosion around the basket is non-existent."

I mean if Im not going to bat 100% for a Duke guy, there is something wrong haha.

[Texas Chuck]

I know everyone (especially Dirk) thinks Im this big time Duke homer (... I am...), .

Couple things:

1. I wish everyone was as transparent about their potential biases as Duke.
2. Just because Duke is a fan of certain teams, doesn't mean he's not capable of objective analysis, something he's demonstrated on this board over and over again.

So while clearly he just proved above that he wasn't high on this specific Duke player, doesn't mean we should dismiss him as a homer if he is high on a Duke guy. Now if he starts in on telling us Greg Paulus and Alaa Abdelnaby are HoFers I reserve the right to edit this post. Greg Koubek HoF talk will of course be accepted.

[Duke4life831]

I know everyone (especially Dirk) thinks Im this big time Duke homer (... I am...), .

Couple things:

1. I wish everyone was as transparent about their potential biases as Duke.
2. Just because Duke is a fan of certain teams, doesn't mean he's not capable of objective analysis, something he's demonstrated on this board over and over again.

So while clearly he just proved above that he wasn't high on this specific Duke player, doesn't mean we should dismiss him as a homer if he is high on a Duke guy. Now if he starts in on telling us Greg Paulus and Alaa Abdelnaby are HoFers I reserve the right to edit this post. Greg Koubek HoF talk will of course be accepted.

Now let me tell you about the best draft prospect of this year's class, a guy named Jack White...

Haha thanks. I will fully admit to my Duke bias and many times when it comes to projecting draft prospects somehow Duke guys just always end up high on my draft board for some reason haha. Or how I will most definitely cherry pick stats (most of the time subconsciously) to defend my Duke guys in the NBA (look at any Kyrie or Ingram thread haha). But I do try to take the Duke blue tinted shades off as much as I can, but what can I say, I live in Cali and its sunny most of the year haha.

[Dirk]

[shakes0]

I know everyone (especially Dirk) thinks Im this big time Duke homer (... I am...), .

Couple things:

1. I wish everyone was as transparent about their potential biases as Duke.
2. Just because Duke is a fan of certain teams, doesn't mean he's not capable of objective analysis, something he's demonstrated on this board over and over again.

So while clearly he just proved above that he wasn't high on this specific Duke player, doesn't mean we should dismiss him as a homer if he is high on a Duke guy. Now if he starts in on telling us Greg Paulus and Alaa Abdelnaby are HoFers I reserve the right to edit this post. Greg Koubek HoF talk will of course be accepted.

before we go singing the praises of non-duke homer Duke4life831, let's all remember that last year at this time he had Trevon Duvall as a top 10 player from the 2018 draft.

So let's slow our roll a bit just cause he didn't bite on Cam Rubbish.

[Duke4life831]

I know everyone (especially Dirk) thinks Im this big time Duke homer (... I am...), .

Couple things:

1. I wish everyone was as transparent about their potential biases as Duke.
2. Just because Duke is a fan of certain teams, doesn't mean he's not capable of objective analysis, something he's demonstrated on this board over and over again.

So while clearly he just proved above that he wasn't high on this specific Duke player, doesn't mean we should dismiss him as a homer if he is high on a Duke guy. Now if he starts in on telling us Greg Paulus and Alaa Abdelnaby are HoFers I reserve the right to edit this post. Greg Koubek HoF talk will of course be accepted.

before we go singing the praises of non-duke homer Duke4life831, let's all remember that last year at this time he had Trevon Duvall as a top 10 player from the 2018 draft.

So let's slow our roll a bit just cause he didn't bite on Cam Rubbish.

Also had Okafor over KAT. Like I said, its tough for me to take off the Duke tinted shades a lot of the times haha.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Kobblehead]

It's usually a safe bet to stay away from college guys with true shooting percentages in the 40s. Reddish being a nightmare is no surprise to me. And I actually really like his shooting and point of attack defensive tools. But my hard rule of "no 40% true shooting guys" kept me away.

[Arteezy]

If RJ Barrett keeps this up, he could join him in the race

[The_Hater]

Well not like RJ Barrett is much better

Every other rookie has been much better including RJ Barrett. Even undrafted rookies are playing much better. That’s just a bad comparison.

[Stillwater]

Too early to write anyone off. Ppl were writing off Trae to start last year.

Let’s see where he is year 3.

Not a great comparison. Trae Young was absurd in college, while Reddish was terrible. Not to mention, point guards have a much steeper learning curve in the NBA than wings do typically.

You’re missing what I’m comparing. It’s not how they did in college or the position they play.

All I’m comparing is that ppl wrote off Trae as well. The actual act of writing off a kid this early is crazy.

nobody should be written off this soon I agree but when the prospect is hyped so much that they are over picked because of it despite having ample opportunities to gain traction at the college level and failed there against much much lesser competitions it doesn't bode well for his timeline.
he was the epitome of a prospect overhyped in hs that everyone who was paying attn should have recognized as hype not skill that is transferable. Can he become something he isn't sure...that's what undrafted g leaguers do

[mplsfonz23]

Couple things:

1. I wish everyone was as transparent about their potential biases as Duke.
2. Just because Duke is a fan of certain teams, doesn't mean he's not capable of objective analysis, something he's demonstrated on this board over and over again.

So while clearly he just proved above that he wasn't high on this specific Duke player, doesn't mean we should dismiss him as a homer if he is high on a Duke guy. Now if he starts in on telling us Greg Paulus and Alaa Abdelnaby are HoFers I reserve the right to edit this post. Greg Koubek HoF talk will of course be accepted.

before we go singing the praises of non-duke homer Duke4life831, let's all remember that last year at this time he had Trevon Duvall as a top 10 player from the 2018 draft.

So let's slow our roll a bit just cause he didn't bite on Cam Rubbish.

Also had Okafor over KAT. Like I said, its tough for me to take off the Duke tinted shades a lot of the times haha.

I was told that Flip was sold on Okafor too. Not sure if it's true, but if so, glad someone talked him into KAT.

[Jamaaliver]

This thread may have jumped the gun a bit. CAM shooting 31% over the last 10 games from deep and 39% from three in the month of December. His season averages are still terrible, but it's clear there's been some improvement.

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[Sign5]

Meh wouldn't be surprised if he developed like Oubre.

[jayu70]

This thread may have jumped the gun a bit. CAM shooting 31% over the last 10 games from deep and 39% from three in the month of December. His season averages are still terrible, but it's clear there's been some improvement.

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1st 5 games (October) of his NBA career - 1-18 from 3 for 5.5%
12 games in November: 12-43 for 27.9%
Last 5 games (December) : 11-28 from 3 for 39.3%

Baby Steps!!!

[Jamaaliver]

So, during the month of December, Cam Reddish is currently shooting 40% from the field and a solid 36% from 3-pt range. His finishing is still pretty subpar for a player his size, but his numbers from the field have continued to improve steadily after a dreadful start.

And this is with more PT and more FGAs also.

Oddly, as his FG% has jumped, his FT% has fallen...what's that about?

[jayu70]

So, during the month of December, Cam Reddish is currently shooting 40% from the field and a solid 36% from 3-pt range. His finishing is still pretty subpar for a player his size, but his numbers from the field have continued to improve steadily after a dreadful start.

And this is with more PT and more FGAs also.

Oddly, as his FG% has jumped, his FT% has fallen...what's that about?

He hit 1 of 2 freethrows in 3 of the 7 games he got to the line. That affects the percentages. The other 4 games he was 5/8, 3/4, 2/2 and 4/4. (that's for Dec)

[Jamaaliver]

the FT% for December is a cumulative number; 17/24 is pretty avg for a guy reputed to be a really good shooter in HS. And pro scouts constantly cite that there's a correlation between FT shooting and 3-pt shooting.

Here's hoping they both improve as he gets stronger this year.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

So at this point:

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               FGA/G    FG%      3P/G    3P%      FTA/G  FT%
Cam Reddish    9.0      32.9     4.0     27.6     2.2    75.4
Jordan Poole   9.0      25.6     4.8     24.0     2.0    83.3


If Poole could just start bricking a few free throws, this discussion would be over.

[j-ragg]

I'm still a believer god damn it