Tuesday game thread discussion

Vsauce12 · Post #21 » by **Vsauce12** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:01 pm

Snotbubbles wrote:Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

How many of those teams you mentioned played Boston on a b2b?

dirkforpres · Post #22 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:01 pm

I’d love him on Dallas next to Porzingis and Doncic to play as the PF but Dallas doesn’t have near enough assets... and I’m likely in the minority of people that would want him there

LipSkinMatter · Post #23 » by **LipSkinMatter** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Vsauce12 wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

How many of those teams you mentioned played Boston on a b2b?

Was Boston on a b2b when the Sixers clobbered them the first game of the season? :thinking:

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #24 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:09 pm

Snotbubbles wrote:Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

They are 12-2 in their last 14 in large part because Harris has found his shot and is scoring more efficiently. The reason why people are talking about Simmons and Embiid not being able to play together is because you rarely see them play off one another, or have big statistical nights in the same game. In that 14 game stretch Simmons is now down to 13.4ppg, that is unacceptable for a former number 1 pick and soon to be max player. The defense is nice, but they didn't draft him to be Draymond Green, and realistically if they're playing a series and he has games like last night the Sixers will be in trouble. If the goal is to win a title, he has to be more assertive and aggressive on offense, the coach challenged him and since then he's actually gotten more passive.

Tanks1 · Post #25 » by **Tanks1** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:15 pm

How many points did Tatum have last night?......who was guarding him?.....

Simmons is not going anywhere, .....move on from that nonsense...

10, 9, 8, 76ers!!!

tcheco · Post #26 » by **tcheco** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:27 pm

That's a terrible terrible thread

And to the guy offering Wall for Simmons... That's gotta be a joke, right?

The guy is elite at defending and passing, his team was one shot away from the finals and you are dumb enough to say that the "experiment" failed? LOL

The_Hater · Post #27 » by **The_Hater** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:27 pm

nurseryc wrote:Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other. The Sixers have elected to build around Embiid, not Simmons. This is not a Bucks scenario with Giannis.

Simmons dominates and plays at his best when Embiid sits. Embiid likes to slow the game down and have the ball passed into him where he is effective in scoring inside, Simmons likes to run and gun, similar to Magic Johnson. They have completely contrasting play styles and cancel out each other’s effectiveness. You simply cannot expect big games from Simmons when Embiid is playing.

1. What is a worthy trade for Simmons?
2. Of all teams factoring in coaches, what is the best team for Simmons to be traded to in order for him to develop to his full potential and become the best version of himself?

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They’re clearly going to play things out this season. You’re seeing broken right as they keep winning games against good opponents.

They’re a very good team with the potential and likelihood to be the best defensive team in the league by playoffs and Simmons is a big part of that, all those counting them out in December are going to be disappointed. This team is built for the slow grind of the playoffs.

Vsauce12 · Post #28 » by **Vsauce12** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:32 pm

LipSkinMatter wrote:
Vsauce12 wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

How many of those teams you mentioned played Boston on a b2b?

Was Boston on a b2b when the Sixers clobbered them the first game of the season?

That was at philly, not at Boston. You aren’t doing a lot of thinking here. Your original point was that they beat them in BOSTON

Fantaxp7 · Post #29 » by **Fantaxp7** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:34 pm

Tanks1 wrote:How many points did Tatum have last night?......who was guarding him?.....

Simmons is not going anywhere, .....move on from that nonsense...

10, 9, 8, 76ers!!!

15 points on the second night of a back to back where he played poorly? Tatum missed a lot of shots that were not contested.

Vsauce12 · Post #30 » by **Vsauce12** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:35 pm

Just lol at the result based thinking “they’re winning so therefore it’s fine”. No, not really, they’re winning despite of Simmons and embiid poor fit and would be far better off with someone else.

I don’t need a crystal ball to know that Simmons halfcourt troubles are going to bite philly in the ass come playoff time. Like it’s done 2 years in a row now

Sprewell4Three · Post #31 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:39 pm

Brett brown just isn’t creative enough to bring the best out of the two. You guys want every got dam team to be built the same with this 4 /5 out offenses. If Ben had just a reliable mid range jumper I think it can work.

Fantaxp7 · Post #32 » by **Fantaxp7** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:44 pm

Last night I got some serious Rondo vibes. Very intelligent player who makes great passes but shoots poorly...I think Rondo has a more aggressive demeanor but Simmons with his length is a similar strength.

Just observations...Maybe different from those who watch him every game.

And1+2 · Post #33 » by **And1+2** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:47 pm

We will give you Ibaka and a horse for him.

... on second thought we will keep the horse.

What about Ibaka and NORMAN POWELL! Yeah!

No?

Damn, I tried.

tcheco · Post #34 » by **tcheco** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:51 pm

They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.

MambaJuice · Post #35 » by **MambaJuice** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:53 pm

Sixers ain't moving Simmons at this point. It just isn't happening this season. Sure, he and Embiid don't complement each other. But A)he's insurance if Embiid gets hurt and B) he's doing enough defensively that it hasn't mattered in the win-loss column.

Revisit this topic next year in case of an early playoff exit.

Vsauce12 · Post #36 » by **Vsauce12** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:54 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

They are 12-2 in their last 14 in large part because Harris has found his shot and is scoring more efficiently. The reason why people are talking about Simmons and Embiid not being able to play together is because you rarely see them play off one another, or have big statistical nights in the same game. In that 14 game stretch Simmons is now down to 13.4ppg, that is unacceptable for a former number 1 pick and soon to be max player. The defense is nice, but they didn't draft him to be Draymond Green, and realistically if they're playing a series and he has games like last night the Sixers will be in trouble.If the goal is to win a title, he has to be more assertive and aggressive on offense, the coach challenged him and since then he's actually gotten more passive.

rzzzzz · Post #37 » by **rzzzzz** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:07 pm

doesn't make any sense to move Simmons or JoJo before you move Brown. it would be like the Lakers moving Shaq or Kobe before they moved Harris.

Post #38 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Vsauce12 wrote:Just lol at the result based thinking “they’re winning so therefore it’s fine”. No, not really, they’re winning despite of Simmons and embiid poor fit and would be far better off with someone else.

I don’t need a crystal ball to know that Simmons halfcourt troubles are going to bite philly in the ass come playoff time. Like it’s done 2 years in a row now

Ben was great last year in the playoffs. Even if he wasn’t, he couldn’t have hurt us that bad seeing as we took the Champs to a Game 7 buzzer beater.

Aren’t you a Bucks fan? You should know better than to play out the “exposed in the half court” narrative.

Jody Smokz · Post #39 » by **Jody Smokz** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:10 pm

Ben needs to start shooting but he's supremely talented. Splitting up Embiid and Simmons before you absolutely have to would be idiotic.

LipSkinMatter · Post #40 » by **LipSkinMatter** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:13 pm

Vsauce12 wrote:
LipSkinMatter wrote:
Vsauce12 wrote:How many of those teams you mentioned played Boston on a b2b?

Was Boston on a b2b when the Sixers clobbered them the first game of the season?

That was at philly, not at Boston. You aren’t doing a lot of thinking here. Your original point was that they beat them in BOSTON

My original point? Must have been somebody else's, my only post in this thread was about Wall.