2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[Ghost of Kleine]

Grant could be a very nice player for us. Other than that, I'm out on Love or Griffin.

I like Favors, but his lack of a 3 might clog the middle, unless decides he's going to shoot it. but then again, I'd rather see Ayton more mid to inside.

Unless they get something good, namely a backup pg (Mills, Augestin), I'm standing pat for at least 10 games to see where the current roster is.

Grant is currently only making around 9 million, and will be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. But I'm not sure that Denver will actually let him reach free agency with Milsapp expiring in 2020. That's why I think it's important to consider trading for him now, before they potentially lock him up long term. Now it's been rumored by NBA pundits I believe that Denver has been quietly coveting Andre Iguodala. And with respect to that, And the consideration that Oubre will likely outplay his current contractual value as he becomes an unrestricted free agent himself in 2021. I believe that we could possibly trade for Grant, And then resign him at around 14-15 million which would give us a very viable replacement for Oubre at small forward, Whilst not blowing a large chunk of our cap space for 2021.

Now I see 2 avenues for this honestly. And I'd be happy with either to be honest. As long as we'd be sure we could resign him. Would we still have his bird rights post trade when he becomes trade eligible on January 15th? And can we use bird rights to potentially go over the cap to resign an unrestricted free agent IF NECESSARY???

Regardless of that though, we could either:

1- Phoenix/ Memphis/Denver:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256571 . *** Forget to add Carter ( Denver). But the trade still works.

Phoenix- Sends Oubre to ( Memphis), Kaminsky to ( Denver), Carter ( Denver), and a future lottery protected first ( 2023 or 2024 )? To Memphis.

Memphis- Sends Andre Iguodala to ( Denver) and Tyus Jones to ( Phoenix).

Denver- Sends Jerami Grant ( Phoenix), Juan Hernangomez, and Monte Morris to ( Memphis).

Or we could just simply Just trade Oubre to Denver for Jerami Grant and Monte Morris.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256570.

Another option that I like is to simply trade Oubre to Dallas for Kleber, and Seth Curry.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256572 .
This trade would theoretically( after resigning Baynes) still leave us with around 15 million for free agency, Which I would then use to offer:

- Either Doug McDermott or Nemanja Bjelica for around 10.
- TJ McConnell for around 3 million. ( Cause we have to maintain some a TJ on the team! ).
- Daniel Theiss for around 2 million.

- Rubio/ TJ McConnell/ Okobo.
-Booker/ Seth Curry/ Jerome.
- Bridges/Cam / McDermott.
- Kleber/McDermott/ Cam.
Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss.

Again, Ideally we do both trades, In wich we trade Oubre, etc. For Grant. And then use Johnson's expiring,Saric, and a future lottery protected first to ( San Antonio), And then Dallas recieves either Aldridge or Derozan ( their preference). And we recieve Maxi Kleber and Seth Curry.

That would theoretically give us around 7 million still to use in free agency. Which we can then use on :
- McConnell for 3 million.
- Daniel Theiss at 2 million.
- resign Diallo at 2 million?


- Rubio/ McConnell/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Curry/ Jerome.
- Grant/ Bridges/ Cam.
- Kleber/ Theiss/ Diallo.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss.
That's a really solid roster with both great offense, And great defense and rim protection.

[Saberestar]

What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?

Good try.

[bwgood77]

Grant could be a very nice player for us. Other than that, I'm out on Love or Griffin.

I like Favors, but his lack of a 3 might clog the middle, unless decides he's going to shoot it. but then again, I'd rather see Ayton more mid to inside.

Unless they get something good, namely a backup pg (Mills, Augestin), I'm standing pat for at least 10 games to see where the current roster is.

Grant is currently only making around 9 million, and will be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. But I'm not sure that Denver will actually let him reach free agency with Milsapp expiring in 2020. That's why I think it's important to consider trading for him now, before they potentially lock him up long term. Now it's been rumored by NBA pundits I believe that Denver has been quietly coveting Andre Iguodala. And with respect to that, And the consideration that Oubre will likely outplay his current contractual value as he becomes an unrestricted free agent himself in 2021. I believe that we could possibly trade for Grant, And then resign him at around 14-15 million which would give us a very viable replacement for Oubre at small forward, Whilst not blowing a large chunk of our cap space for 2021.

They signed Grant for a reason. I think regarding Millsap, if anything, they will probably let him go in 2020.

[Saberestar]

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[Saberestar]

I really like the Blazers roster, I think they are gonna be in the playoffs for sure.

Just look at their starting five...

Lillard
McCollum
Bazemore
Carmelo
Whiteside

They are waiting for Nurkic to coming back and they are set.

Bad luck with injuries, Rodney Hood and Zach Collins are out for a long time, but even with these absences the are deep.

Like against the Spurs we need Booker to win this game. This is a veteran team that knows how to play in the final minutes. And they are gonna well rested, three days off.

[suns12345]

We have a pretty tough stretch coming up. Could potentially lose a few in a row.

Shame we wasted the little easy patch we just went through. Hopefully Ayton returns us to being a genuinely good team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Grant could be a very nice player for us. Other than that, I'm out on Love or Griffin.

I like Favors, but his lack of a 3 might clog the middle, unless decides he's going to shoot it. but then again, I'd rather see Ayton more mid to inside.

Unless they get something good, namely a backup pg (Mills, Augestin), I'm standing pat for at least 10 games to see where the current roster is.

Grant is currently only making around 9 million, and will be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. But I'm not sure that Denver will actually let him reach free agency with Milsapp expiring in 2020. That's why I think it's important to consider trading for him now, before they potentially lock him up long term. Now it's been rumored by NBA pundits I believe that Denver has been quietly coveting Andre Iguodala. And with respect to that, And the consideration that Oubre will likely outplay his current contractual value as he becomes an unrestricted free agent himself in 2021. I believe that we could possibly trade for Grant, And then resign him at around 14-15 million which would give us a very viable replacement for Oubre at small forward, Whilst not blowing a large chunk of our cap space for 2021.

They signed Grant for a reason. I think regarding Millsap, if anything, they will probably let him go in 2020.

Of course they did, Because he's a good player. But if he wasn't, Then why would we want him? The point is that they may seriously consider trading him for Oubre straight up since he's currently producing more and is also young, And because they're trying to really compete for a deep playoff run.Or they maybe willing to move him in a 3 player trade, IF it lands them Andre Iguodala to help their playoff push, As they may simply see Iguodala as currently providing them more value as a veteran with playoff experience and a championship pedigree for their hopeful deep playoff push. Sometimes you just have to give up complimentary players with good value to get bigger pieces, etc. Also, You never can truly tell what a front office is willing to do in order to be more competitive, and push farther into the playoffs.


And yes, I completely agree with you that they'll likely let Milsapp expire in order to quite possibly retain certain players on their roster such as Grant. That is all the more reason why I'd want to trade for him after January 15th IF at all possible. Because if we aren't able to get back on track and make a big push upon Aytons' return, Then it will be important to acquire him sooner, because I don't think they let him reach free agency given their current roster. But IF they traded for Andre Iguodala, Or for Kelly Oubre at the same position offering more production, then wouldn't that be a solid reason for them to consider trading him? So, We should definitely make a strong offer once he becomes available after January 15th. If for no other reason than to guage interest and percieved value. And at worst, They decline our offer, Which won't be the end of the world as we then simply pursue other trades as needed.

But hopefully, One of those trades nets us Kleber and/ Or Grant etc. In order to adress our lingering critical defensive issues in both the frontcourt and on the perimeter. As well as upgrade our rosters' woefully subpar athleticism. So again, If Ayton returns, And we aren't able to turn things around and once again return to being a tough and competitive team as we were at the beginning of the season, Then I'd rather we are assertive, and pursue the necessary roster upgrades rather than to just sit on our hands and concede mediocrity for yet another year.

Last thing to consider is that with other top teams having struggles here and there, and with Doncic now being out for a couple of weeks at least, This is likely our best available opportunity to actually make a strong push, possibly climb the ladder a bit positionally, and reclaim a solid playoff position. So yes, we can of course try things out as is with Ayton for a run of games before possibly pursuing any immenent roster upgrades or alterations. But these two key players and their respective skillsets should absolutely be prioritized on our potential trade board.

[Frank Lee]

And you are not getting either of them. Oubre is fools gold compared to your wishlisters. You gotta be the King of the What If-ers

[Djedefre]

This team is an epitome of mediocre. McD's era was frustrating, but at least we had a promise of high picks in a few very good drafts (botching the actual job is a completely different story). What do we have now? Basically no trade chips (Jones had spent them fairly quickly), very slim chances of internal growth, still a glaring hole at 4 spot for the future and subpar playmaking in this league. The big change this season will be that we're going to be just bad enough to not be actually good. Maybe there is a light, but i'm not seeing it although i'm trying really hard.

What are you talking about?

No growth chances? Look at the average age of our core players.

Sub-par playmaking? We signed one of the best playmaking PG in the whole league and are currently ranked top 3 in team assists.

The Suns are finally turning into a team. You can't jump from 19 wins to 60 in one off-season.

It's all wilful blindness around here. There is no real step ahead, no sustainable growth, just a fistful of sand that'll slip through the fingers. Delusions of a desperate man. This ship is sailing straight to hell with Jones at the wheel and Sarver as navigator.

[bwgood77]

I really like the Blazers roster, I think they are gonna be in the playoffs for sure.

Just look at their starting five...

Lillard
McCollum
Bazemore
Carmelo
Whiteside

They are waiting for Nurkic to coming back and they are set.

Bad luck with injuries, Rodney Hood and Zach Collins are out for a long time, but even with these absences the are deep.

Like against the Spurs we need Booker to win this game. This is a veteran team that knows how to play in the final minutes. And they are gonna well rested, three days off.

Nurkic said he wasn't coming back this year (though at the time I wondered if he just meant 2019). If he comes back they will definitely get in...especially if it's by all star break.

[lilfishi22]

This team is an epitome of mediocre. McD's era was frustrating, but at least we had a promise of high picks in a few very good drafts (botching the actual job is a completely different story). What do we have now? Basically no trade chips (Jones had spent them fairly quickly), very slim chances of internal growth, still a glaring hole at 4 spot for the future and subpar playmaking in this league. The big change this season will be that we're going to be just bad enough to not be actually good. Maybe there is a light, but i'm not seeing it although i'm trying really hard.

What are you talking about?

No growth chances? Look at the average age of our core players.

Sub-par playmaking? We signed one of the best playmaking PG in the whole league and are currently ranked top 3 in team assists.

The Suns are finally turning into a team. You can't jump from 19 wins to 60 in one off-season.

It's all wilful blindness around here. There is no real step ahead, no sustainable growth, just a fistful of sand that'll slip through the fingers. Delusions of a desperate man. This ship is sailing straight to hell with Jones at the wheel and Sarver as navigator.

Willful blindness? Willful blindness is thinking high picks in good drafts changes fortunes when McD is a the helm. We did nothing with those picks AND sucked. That is the epitome of mediocre.

Yeah we don't have the treasure trove we once had but what the hell did McD even do with it? Jack all. Right now we arguably have everything we had before and more; promising young players who are actually contributing, vets who know how to play and can contribute at a high level, the best Booker we've seen, tradeable assets and likely a better coach than we've ever had. The only thing we're missing is picks and absolute youth but we also did nothing with those picks and the youth we had, while young, were trash with more than half of them no longer even rotation players.

Say what you want about our young guys now but they are at least part of a team that's near .500 after half a decade being comfortably at the bottom of the barrel while averaging 22 wins a season under McD. Most know I'm not the most optimistic poster on this board but even I can see we're in a better place than we were previously. Is it where I wish we were? No. But is it far better than where we have been? Absolutely.

[Ghost of Kleine]

And you are not getting either of them. Oubre is fools gold compared to your wishlisters. You gotta be the King of the What If-ers

Thanks man.... It's good to be king sometimes....

But honestly, What is any potential trade scenario other than a " What if" scenario. I mean isn't that all all trades begin anyways? The offers presented offers between teams during trade negotions are all essentially "what if" proposals now aren't they.

Now as far as it being a certainty that we couldn't get either player through trade, etc. That just seems highly presumptuous to me, As it's not like either player is currently valued in the range of Giannis or Anthony Davis level of untouchable.

And to a point, every team obviously has a price for its players. We just need to enquire as to the pricetag that is expected in order to see if we can afford the purchase. To not even make an attempt to do so, Would be negligence on the part of our front office. So not to detract from your apparently blind assumptions man, There's also free agency in 2021 to be considered,
Wherein Grant happens to be an unrestricted free agent. So even IF they may not choose to consider trading him outright on January 15th or shortly after, There's still the potential availability of acquiring him there as a free agent as well.

And with respect to Kleber, yes, He may obviously have solid value to Dallas currently, But do you really think that they wouldn't consider moving him in a trade wherein they could get back a bigger name player? Especially one whom they can play next to Porzingis to help strengthen their frontcourt as well as give them better depth with respect to their intentions of a deep playoff run for their Golden boy Doncic?

He's their franchise guy, And he wants to compete above all else. So don't you think they'd do whatever is necessary to put the best team possible around him to keep him happy and push deeper into the playoffs? So for a solid return, I can't see them not considering it strongly. Lastly, You may see Oubre as fool's gold against both Grant and Kleber. But not all perspectives are equal are they? Really, perception is dependent upon individual circumstances and positional needs. Other teams may look at his big shots made, as well as his moxy and infectious energy and say......Hey, We could use that push that he brings in the playoffs. Or he'd be a perfect compliment next to this player on our roster too. So his value again is going to be measured by what positional fit he could bring to those particular teams with respect to their individual interests. Good teams take risks, They take chances in order to improve. Mediocre or poor teams sit on their hands and watch those big teams swing for the fences , Whilst consoling their fans with visions of " Next year." Question is Frank, Which team do you want to be?

[WeekapaugGroove]

What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?

Good try.

Ha I think suggesting a Morris brother coming back to Phoenix is worthy of a 24 hour site ban

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[BobbieL]

I think jones is going to call about Love but the Blazers will get him

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think jones is going to call about Love but the Blazers will get him

I sure hope so! Any team that would save us from the mistake of handcuffing ourselves financially to that huge contract for the next 3 years is a blessing in disguise ss far as I'm concerned.

[BobbieL]

I think jones is going to call about Love but the Blazers will get him

I sure hope so! Any team that would save us from the mistake of handcuffing ourselves financially to that huge contract for the next 3 years is a blessing in disguise ss far as I'm concerned.

Agreed. I mean adding Love might make the team better this year. But the last couple years of that deal would be terrible

[ATTL]

What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?

Good try.

Ha I think suggesting a Morris brother coming back to Phoenix is worthy of a 24 hour site ban

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We won't be called soft anymore.

[Ghost of Kleine]

So the Thunder actually beat Denver tonight. And of course the Kings are destroying the Warriors as well. Both teams that we're tied with for the 8th playoff spot. We desperately need a win against the Blazers tommorow, otherwise we'll be in the 10th spot for real. And we really can't afford to give up too many more wins, As our upcoming schedule through January 1st consists of:

The Clippers, Thunder, Rockets, Nuggets, Warriors, Kings, Blazers, Lakers. That's 4 top 5 playoff teams, and 3 against interconference rivals also fighting for playoff position against us. Tommorow really is a must win for us.

[Dual]

So the Thunder actually beat Denver tonight. And of course the Kings are destroying the Warriors as well. Both teams that we're tied with for the 8th playoff spot. We desperately need a win against the Blazers tommorow, otherwise we'll be in the 10th spot for real. And we really can't afford to give up too many more wins, As our upcoming schedule through January 1st consists of:

The Clippers, Thunder, Rockets, Nuggets, Warriors, Kings, Blazers, Lakers. That's 4 top 5 playoff teams, and 3 against interconference rivals also fighting for playoff position against us. Tommorow really is a must win for us.

OKC didnt play tonight. Denver just beated NYC

[Ghost of Kleine]

So the Thunder actually beat Denver tonight. And of course the Kings are destroying the Warriors as well. Both teams that we're tied with for the 8th playoff spot. We desperately need a win against the Blazers tommorow, otherwise we'll be in the 10th spot for real. And we really can't afford to give up too many more wins, As our upcoming schedule through January 1st consists of:

The Clippers, Thunder, Rockets, Nuggets, Warriors, Kings, Blazers, Lakers. That's 4 top 5 playoff teams, and 3 against interconference rivals also fighting for playoff position against us. Tommorow really is a must win for us.

OKC didnt play tonight. Denver just beated NYC

My apologies on that one man! For some reason, I got it mixed up on my Google updates for nba scoreboard. I may need to slow down on the multitasking on my phone I'm thinking! Lol...So anyways, The Nuggets DID beat the Thunder thank goodness! But the kings did beat the warriors though. So we still absolutely need to pull out a win tommorow desperately. It's kind of strange though to have to be thinking about positional wins/ losses and their implications this early in the season, Can't decide if it's a good thing or a bad thing yet!