Alan Horne named EL Pitcher of the year!!

Post #1 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:51 pm

This is really nice, worthy of it's own thread IMO. He has pitched really well all season and if I'm not mistaken led the league in Ks and almost in ERA (even while starting the season in high A). He had a great year and I expect him to spend almost all of next season in AAA. He'll be the first guy in line if there is an injury and will most certainly be a Septembar call up at worst.

Here were his numbers on the season:
12-4
2.97 ERA
142.1 innings
136 hits
51 walks
158 strikeouts
1.40 GO/AO ratio

Opening day 2009 will consist of a rotation of Hughes-Joba-Wang-Kennedy-Horne. Book it.

cmaff051 · Post #2 » by **cmaff051** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:01 pm

He's a very valuable piece of trade bait when Sabathia or Santana becomes available. Not saying he's the main piece, but he's a pretty important piece.

Pharmcat · Post #3 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:07 pm

34Celtic · Post #4 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:14 am

I'll take a Santana signing over Horne any day of the week and twice on Sundays

cmaff051 · Post #5 » by **cmaff051** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:20 am

34Celtic wrote:I'll take a Santana signing over Horne any day of the week and twice on Sundays

Hopefully he's part of the trade to get Santana.

Post #6 » by **moocow007** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:03 am

Didn't Santana recently ask for part ownership of the Twins to resign?

Post #7 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:16 am

moocow007 wrote:Didn't Santana recently ask for part ownership of the Twins to resign?

That was just a column written in a Minnesota paper where the writer said that the Twins should try to convince Santana to stay by offering him part ownership and maybe they can even sign him for cheaper that way. He pretty much made it up, no way that would ever happen. Even Scott Boras wouldn't get that for a client of his.

throwbackewing33 · Post #8 » by **throwbackewing33** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:03 pm

I think over the winter you see cashman trading some of these prospects for a guy like santana. You know ALL of these prospects arent going to live up to the promise. If we do get Santana it will be a hefty price tag. But its the only way to truly compete for a world series next year. A rotation of all rookies probably wont get you to the playoffs.

cmaff051 · Post #9 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:09 pm

throwbackewing33 wrote:I think over the winter you see cashman trading some of these prospects for a guy like santana. You know ALL of these prospects arent going to live up to the promise. If we do get Santana it will be a hefty price tag. But its the only way to truly compete for a world series next year. A rotation of all rookies probably wont get you to the playoffs.

I would only trade some of these prospects for a top of the rotation type guy. No Jon Garlands or Bronson Arroyos.

34Celtic · Post #10 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:42 pm

The Twins are going to ask for Kennedy, Hughes, or Joba in any deal for Johan...you guys realize that right? I think Joba is untouchable but I wouldn't shoot down a deal involving Hughes OR Kennedy, key word there is OR. Hughes AND Kennedy is a no in my mind.

Realistically though Minny probably would ask for Hughes, Tabata, and another prospect for Santana....and I wouldn't necessarily call them crazy for asking that. Don't know if I'd do it, but you have to pay big to get big time stars.

cmaff051 · Post #11 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:55 pm

34Celtic wrote:The Twins are going to ask for Kennedy, Hughes, or Joba in any deal for Johan...you guys realize that right? I think Joba is untouchable but I wouldn't shoot down a deal involving Hughes OR Kennedy, key word there is OR. Hughes AND Kennedy is a no in my mind.

Realistically though Minny probably would ask for Hughes, Tabata, and another prospect for Santana....and I wouldn't necessarily call them crazy for asking that. Don't know if I'd do it, but you have to pay big to get big time stars.

It's funny how you've given up on Hughes already. I have seen this kid in midseason form and the kid is just unbelievably talented. He's gifted. I believe his tools will translate better as a starter than Joba. Give the kid time, he's having some growing pains and even considering that he isn't doing that bad.

Giving up on Hughes now is foolish.

Saying prospects like Alan Horne, Ian Kennedy Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata are untouchable is foolish though.

34Celtic · Post #12 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:01 pm

Cmaff, once again you're skewing my words? When in there did I say I was turning on Hughes? I said I wouldn't call Minny crazy for asking for Hughes, Tabata and another prospect. I said I wouldn't hang up the phone, or say no right away. You'd have to be crazy to hang up the phone on Minnesota for any offer involving 2 of our big 3 pitching propsects.

But again, I never said I was giving up on Hughes. NEVER

Post #13 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:37 pm

Yeah, dealing Hughes+ for Santana isn't giving up on Hughes. Trading Hughes for Garland would be giving up on Hughes.

cmaff051 · Post #14 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:49 pm

If Cashman is a good negotiator, he'll move them off Hughes. Minnesota has no leverage if they deal him by the trade deadline in 2008.

Pharmcat · Post #15 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:02 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote: Trading Hughes for Garland would be giving up on Hughes.

seems like something Phillips would do

Post #16 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:16 pm

The Kandi Man Rocks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

seems like something Phillips would do

Well to be fair to Phillips, the Kazmir deal was made by Duquette after he had taken over as the interim GM. With that said, Phillips was still a bad GM.

34Celtic · Post #17 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:24 pm

People don't realize that when GMs are under pressure to win now they do moves like that. Its not necessarily that they always think it will be the best move 15 years down the road, in most cases they care about what will happen in 2 years....which is why Cashman getting full control helped us because he A) could keep our young guys meaning B) He doesn't need to feel pressured to trade players and win at all costs.

Basically what I'm saying is prospects are often traded by big time teams because of pressure from above to win now, not because they think it will be the better move in 10 years.

Pharmcat · Post #18 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:43 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well to be fair to Phillips, the Kazmir deal was made by Duquette after he had taken over as the interim GM. With that said, Phillips was still a bad GM.

yea i know, but i like to take cheap shots at that loser whenever i get a chance to

Pugsley_2491 · Post #19 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:17 am

34Celtic wrote:People don't realize that when GMs are under pressure to win now they do moves like that. Its not necessarily that they always think it will be the best move 15 years down the road, in most cases they care about what will happen in 2 years....which is why Cashman getting full control helped us because he A) could keep our young guys meaning B) He doesn't need to feel pressured to trade players and win at all costs.

Basically what I'm saying is prospects are often traded by big time teams because of pressure from above to win now, not because they think it will be the better move in 10 years.

yeah just look at the linebrink to the brewers deal

cmaff051 · Post #20 » by **cmaff051** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:19 am

Pugsley_2491 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yeah just look at the linebrink to the brewers deal

Agreed. I don't think Cashman will ever do a deal like that though.