2020 Draft Thread

clyde21 · Post #261 » by **clyde21** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:22 am

Mylie10 wrote:Would any of you trade the first pick for Donovan Mitchell? Just curious to hear.

big yes

azwfan · Post #262 » by **azwfan** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:56 am

Mylie10 wrote:Would any of you trade the first pick for Donovan Mitchell? Just curious to hear.

I would.

For the simple fact that Donovan Mitchell is a known quantity... and he is a good known quantity. This seems pretty obvious.
Draft picks, for the most part are not impact players. Obviously, the higher the pick, the better chance of getting an impact player. But this doesn't appear to be a draft that has can't miss impact players at the top. More like, really good prospects.
I can't see why the Jazz would do that unless there's some personality issue or... something else going on.

Mylie10 · Post #263 » by **Mylie10** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:41 am

Not saying I would.

I was just thinking about him based on a couple of things.

1. Friends with Paschall, like really good friends. They have known each other since they were little kids.

2. Mitchell is a dog on the floor. He's like a mini Dwayne Wade. He takes bad shots, but I'm not sure that will continue as he gets older. Really strong diverse defender.

3. Utah is in a year that may have them making some big changes soon. Not saying I this season, they will let this one play out. But this off season they may want to shake things up.

4. Extends life after Curry and Klay. Not saying he's as good as those 2, but he has the potential to be damn good. Heard from Wade that Mitchell calls him all of the time for advice. Even sends Wade his film to critic, so he wants to be great.

Downfall is it forces the Klay to small Forward. I love Klay as a 2 because of mismatches in Klay's size, so I'm not gung-ho to force Klay to 3. Would almost have to be a 3way deal, because I don't see the Jazz having any interest in DLo. Also would have to get more in the deal somehow if it's DLo and our 1st rounder. Mitchell isn't worth both.

Just a thought, and really wanted to see how others felt about it. And I wouldn't do it if we had the 1dt or 2nd pick. Because I'm a Wiseman guy, and Edwards would be a younger cheaper version of Mitchell, and Edwards wouldn't complain about starting his Warrior career as a bench guy.

Mylie10 · Post #264 » by **Mylie10** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm

Paul Reed last game, 19 points, 10 rebounds, 4 BLOCKS, and 1 steal.

Averaging 3.4 blocks per

freypies · Post #265 » by **freypies** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:29 pm

Did you guys read Letourneau's new article about Warriors draft in SF Chronicles? It seems like the only one in or around the top 5 the Warriors seem to like right now is Obi Toppin.

Phase 3 · Post #266 » by **Phase 3** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:34 pm

freypies wrote:Did you guys read Letourneau's new article about Warriors draft in SF Chronicles? It seems like the only one in or around the top 5 the Warriors seem to like right now is Obi Toppin.

Toppin is 3 years older than the other top prospects and projects to play the 4 in the NBA(Draymond’s position). Only way I would be interested in him is if they’re drafting outside the top 6-7.

I’d take Wiseman, Edwards, and RJ Hampton over him for sure...and there’s probably a couple other guys I’d take over him easily.

Mylie10 · Post #267 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:35 pm

freypies wrote:Did you guys read Letourneau's new article about Warriors draft in SF Chronicles? It seems like the only one in or around the top 5 the Warriors seem to like right now is Obi Toppin.

I never believe any pre draft leaks about the Warriors. They have really shut down leaking in the last few seasons, but there could be a rotten apple I the midst.

If this is legit, it might be to gauge early interest in their pick. But really I don't think this means anything.

xdrta+ · Post #268 » by **xdrta+** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:54 pm

I didn't read that as the Warriors liking Toppin. After quoting "league sources" that the Warriors aren't particularly high on the projected top picks, Letourneau says, "One player who could intrigue Golden State is Dayton forward Obi Toppin..." Saying Toppin could intrigue them sounds like it's the writers opinion.

BballIntellect · Post #269 » by **BballIntellect** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:12 pm

Phase 3 wrote:
freypies wrote:Did you guys read Letourneau's new article about Warriors draft in SF Chronicles? It seems like the only one in or around the top 5 the Warriors seem to like right now is Obi Toppin.

Toppin is 3 years older than the other top prospects and projects to play the 4 in the NBA(Draymond’s position). Only way I would be interested in him is if they’re drafting outside the top 6-7.

I’d take Wiseman, Edwards, and RJ Hampton over him for sure...and there’s probably a couple other guys I’d take over him easily.

Maybe he could come off the bench and play small ball 5 in spurts with Draymond. Draymond used to share the big men spot with Barnes in our death lineup pre KD. That's an even smaller frontcourt.

Toppin seems to be a decent enough shooter who can stretch the floor and then he has all the intangibles you want out of your big men.

Also if he's any good, he could come in and contribute right away since he redshirted his freshman year and is now in his second playing season in college.

I think he's one of the only projected lottery picks of this year who will actually have played multiple seasons in college when entering the NBA.

Phase 3 · Post #270 » by **Phase 3** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:27 pm

BballIntellect wrote:
Phase 3 wrote:
freypies wrote:Did you guys read Letourneau's new article about Warriors draft in SF Chronicles? It seems like the only one in or around the top 5 the Warriors seem to like right now is Obi Toppin.

Toppin is 3 years older than the other top prospects and projects to play the 4 in the NBA(Draymond’s position). Only way I would be interested in him is if they’re drafting outside the top 6-7.

I’d take Wiseman, Edwards, and RJ Hampton over him for sure...and there’s probably a couple other guys I’d take over him easily.

Maybe he could come off the bench and play small ball 5 in spurts with Draymond. Draymond used to share the big men spot with Barnes in our death lineup pre KD. That's an even smaller frontcourt.

Toppin seems to be a decent enough shooter who can stretch the floor and then he has all the intangibles you want out of your big men.

Also if he's any good, he could come in and contribute right away since he redshirted his freshman year and is now in his second playing season in college.

I think he's one of the only projected lottery picks of this year who will actually have played multiple seasons in college when entering the NBA.

When drafting high in the draft, I’m all about BPA and upside. Others have different philosophies but those are the two things I prioritize.

We’ll see how Myers and the Lacob kids do in this draft. It’s the first time they’ll have a lottery pick in a quite a while...Need to make it count.

clyde21 · Post #271 » by **clyde21** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:09 pm

Toppin is pretty good, nothing special, he's a sophomore but senior aged, like 22 already, not a great defender either not sure about playing small ball 5

again...we're looking at the wrong positions here...why are we even talking about Toppin when we have Dray and Paschall on the roster?

Post #272 » by **floppymoose** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:27 am

BPA if the pick is high. No exceptions.

BballIntellect · Post #273 » by **BballIntellect** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:39 am

clyde21 wrote:Toppin is pretty good, nothing special, he's a sophomore but senior aged, like 22 already, not a great defender either not sure about playing small ball 5

again...we're looking at the wrong positions here...why are we even talking about Toppin when we have Dray and Paschall on the roster?

Yeah I'm not sure about Toppin playing small ball either. That was just something I was putting out there.

Now concerning the power forward position : I love Draymond but he's undersized, his play has been declining every year since 2017 (first year with KD), his offense has become non existant when he used to be a threat and he can't even control his own weight anymore.

So I want to keep Draymond but I wouldn't bank on the long term with him.

Paschall has been great but he's still a second round rookie. Tobbin has more upside. Paschall has scored the ball a lot but he also has had much more touches and opportunities than he could have ever dreamed of at the start of the year. Pashall is physical but he hasn't much been much of an effective defender in present time.

Mylie10 · Post #274 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:56 pm

Saw Paschall do a really good job guarding Holiday on a possession. Moved his feet like the haters said he can't lol.

I'm for taking Wiseman if available. If not then trade down.

What I really want is some guys who can help guard LeBron, George, Kawhi, Giannis, AD.

If you don't have bodies that can at least get in their way and possibly make it a little difficult for them, then we are screwed. I feel like only Draymond and Paschall can even get in their way right now.

That's why I really like Paul Reed. He's a defense first guy and he can guard all positions. Scottie Lewis from Arizona is a great wing defender, but would struggle against those guys based on size, but he's still a great defender.

TB · Post #275 » by TB » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:05 pm

Anyone got some insight on Isaiah Stewart?

Dudes been a consensus top 5 all through high school rankings and start of this season, now in the 10 range and nobody on this board is mentioning him...

yet, he's playing really well in an offense that doesn't really showcase a center much outside of 5 ft. Seems like a great modern day big prospect (not EVERY center has to pop for 3's

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cdubbz · Post #276 » by **cdubbz** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:18 pm

TB wrote:Anyone got some insight on Isaiah Stewart?

Dudes been a consensus top 5 all through high school rankings and start of this season, now in the 10 range and nobody on this board is mentioning him...

yet, he's playing really well in an offense that doesn't really showcase a center much outside of 5 ft. Seems like a great modern day big prospect (not EVERY center has to pop for 3's )

I really like Stewart myself, but got more intrigued by Cole Anthony & Edwards. Stewart is a physically strong and can hold his own on the block against post defenders.

clyde21 · Post #277 » by **clyde21** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:28 pm

my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

clyde21 · Post #278 » by **clyde21** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:30 pm

TB wrote:Anyone got some insight on Isaiah Stewart?

Dudes been a consensus top 5 all through high school rankings and start of this season, now in the 10 range and nobody on this board is mentioning him...

yet, he's playing really well in an offense that doesn't really showcase a center much outside of 5 ft. Seems like a great modern day big prospect (not EVERY center has to pop for 3's )

he's okay, but unless he develops more of an all-around offensive game or an elite defender he's much more of a bench big than a starter in the NBA

freypies · Post #279 » by **freypies** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:02 pm

clyde21 wrote:my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Is this a ranking of how much you like each prospect and their potential, or a ranking of where you think each player should be picked? It seems like the former for sure considering Scottie at the top, but I am just surprised considering you seem far higher on Wiseman here than it appeared from previous posts.

clyde21 · Post #280 » by **clyde21** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:05 pm

freypies wrote:
clyde21 wrote:my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Is this a ranking of how much you like each prospect and their potential, or a ranking of where you think each player should be picked? It seems like the former for sure considering Scottie at the top, but I am just surprised considering you seem far higher on Wiseman here than it appeared from previous posts.

i mean I like Wiseman, I just don't think 1) his archetype as it stands is that impactful at the NBA level, thus I wouldn't take him this high and 2) we have other glaring holes on the team that we need to fill before worrying about nabbing another rim runner.

it's also by tiers, so if we're picking 4th for example, and those are the players available, then I'd take Josh Green or Tyrese Haliburton for example over Wiseman because they're in the same tier and better fits, or obviously if someone is available from tier 1.