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Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#121 » by Quattro » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:23 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:That’s it. That’s the thread.


Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse think he is. You’re not better than Masai Ujiri or Nick Nurse at recognizing basketball talent.

That’s it. That’s the thread.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#122 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:25 am

Quattro wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:That’s it. That’s the thread.


Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse think he is. You’re not better than Masai Ujiri or Nick Nurse at recognizing basketball talent.

That’s it. That’s the thread.

4 years of data makes it pretty clear what he is, but let's check back in on McCaw in a couple of months and we'll see what Masai and Nurse think he is then.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#123 » by SharoneWright » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:28 am

Need a long lead guard. Happy for every good performance. Happy to be patient for further development.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#124 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:37 am

Patrick McCaw this season has a 0.025 WS/48, a -2.0 BPM, a 0.0 VORP, a -2.76 PIPM (25th worst in the NBA), a -2.62 RPM (25th worst in the NBA), and a -7.7 RAPTOR rating (9th worst in NBA among players with more than 100 minutes).

I'm sure he's good, though.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#125 » by Johnny Bball » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:59 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Quattro wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:That’s it. That’s the thread.


Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse think he is. You’re not better than Masai Ujiri or Nick Nurse at recognizing basketball talent.

That’s it. That’s the thread.

4 years of data makes it pretty clear what he is, but let's check back in on McCaw in a couple of months and we'll see what Masai and Nurse think he is then.


You get he played 15 mpg for two seasons on the GSW right? This guy that isn't an NBA player. He did the same last year on the eventual champs until he lost his season. He will probably average just slightly higher this year as mostly part of the bench. So if you really want to rely on 4 years of data, you don't have a leg to stand on saying he's not an NBA player.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#126 » by will » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:38 am

You are not a realgm caliber poster.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#127 » by spicy4MVP » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:49 am

maternal85 wrote:
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maternal85 wrote:
Pat is such a garbage player, that I refuse to read such a long post on him. Sorry. I think you're the only person here who'd rather have Pat than the guys I mentioned who are making less. I'd honestly rather have VC with one leg than Patrick. I don't even think this con-artists can dominate the G league. He got Ujiri good. lol@ 1 bad game. Ok bud.


so please explain to me why Nurse publically acknowledged that hes terrible on offense and still okay with giving him heavy minutes because of his high defensive energy, passing and high BB IQ? Its obvious you cant expect a 2 way play from a 4 million dollar player. But you can still use a player and win games if they ace their strict responsibilities either on offence or defence. Do you remember biyombo? He was one of the worst offensive players in the league but he was so effective on defence and helped us get to keep cleveland series in proximity in the conference finals. He was signed for 17 or 18 million the following year if im not mistaking, 0 offence!!! You think Mccaw's defense is not worth just 1/4th of that?


Bruh, Pat does NOTHING POSITIVE on the court. Literally nothing. What are you debating about ?


Do you feel stupid yet?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#128 » by YelloC » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:00 am

will wrote:You are not a realgm caliber poster.

You spelled caliper wrong. :wink:
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#129 » by EH15 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:02 am

will wrote:You are not a realgm caliber poster.

Nope. Legit point he has.

McCaw had a good game. His first truly good game he's had with us. If he's going to contribute like this from now on then OP will gladly admit being wrong. But Pat won't play like this because he doesn't have the skills, the IQ, the attention, the intensity, the shooting, the finesse, the disposition, the tools, nor the will to continue this.

Anyone can have one good game. Anyone can have 10 good games. Give me 40 games and then you can get the minutes and the extended leash McCaw gets.

Look, no one is saying this dude is as bad as Hassan Adams. But he's not close to being as good now or in the future as Davis or OG.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#130 » by maternal85 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:04 am

spicy4MVP wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
spicy4MVP wrote:
so please explain to me why Nurse publically acknowledged that hes terrible on offense and still okay with giving him heavy minutes because of his high defensive energy, passing and high BB IQ? Its obvious you cant expect a 2 way play from a 4 million dollar player. But you can still use a player and win games if they ace their strict responsibilities either on offence or defence. Do you remember biyombo? He was one of the worst offensive players in the league but he was so effective on defence and helped us get to keep cleveland series in proximity in the conference finals. He was signed for 17 or 18 million the following year if im not mistaking, 0 offence!!! You think Mccaw's defense is not worth just 1/4th of that?


Bruh, Pat does NOTHING POSITIVE on the court. Literally nothing. What are you debating about ?


Do you feel stupid yet?


Not as stupid as you'll feel when I come here every time he has a bad game. Enjoy this fluke game.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#131 » by bobbyp3588 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:14 am

Get Lives Y’all.

Pat McCaw is not the problem.

If you’ve got a problem with Pat maybe you need to take a good look at yourselves and reevaluate some ish. That’s all.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#132 » by spicy4MVP » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:20 am

maternal85 wrote:
spicy4MVP wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
Bruh, Pat does NOTHING POSITIVE on the court. Literally nothing. What are you debating about ?


Do you feel stupid yet?


Not as stupid as you'll feel when I come here every time he has a bad game. Enjoy this fluke game.


So lets make a deal. If next game he plays well also, you can no longer call it a fluke game tonight since "fluke" cant strike consecutively? You will be then asked to respect McCaw as an impactful player on the team and you will be a man of your word and no longer trash his play. Deal?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#133 » by jepjep » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:27 am

McCaw’s game tonight shows promise and that’s why don’t get paid millions to be ‘fake’ GM. Masai the great
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#134 » by GordanFreeman » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:36 am

I mean he’d played like dog crap until tonight so ppl shtting on him were justified in their outrage. But it’s clear that nick sees some promise and untapped potential in Pat, much like he did in Fred. So, in Nick we trust.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#135 » by maternal85 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:38 am

spicy4MVP wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
spicy4MVP wrote:
Do you feel stupid yet?


Not as stupid as you'll feel when I come here every time he has a bad game. Enjoy this fluke game.


So lets make a deal. If next game he plays well also, you can no longer call it a fluke game tonight since "fluke" cant strike consecutively? You will be then asked to respect McCaw as an impactful player on the team and you will be a man of your word and no longer trash his play. Deal?


Even a G league player can have a stretch of 2 NBA games. How about he plays well for the rest of the season ? Is he a charity case ?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#136 » by S.W.A.N » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:00 am

It is one game... But if anything it does show that playing in the right role makes a big difference.

His passing is obviously a skill that has been underused up to now. Nurse decided to put the ball in his hands and it made a big difference. Now we wait and see if this effort and results becomes a regular thing.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#137 » by spicy4MVP » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:02 am

maternal85 wrote:
spicy4MVP wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
Not as stupid as you'll feel when I come here every time he has a bad game. Enjoy this fluke game.


So lets make a deal. If next game he plays well also, you can no longer call it a fluke game tonight since "fluke" cant strike consecutively? You will be then asked to respect McCaw as an impactful player on the team and you will be a man of your word and no longer trash his play. Deal?


Even a G league player can have a stretch of 2 NBA games. How about he plays well for the rest of the season ? Is he a charity case ?


you're just extending your time and using excuses for me not to call you out on being wrong. The worst thing that can happen to the person's ego is to realize that they are wrong and for them to admit it. How many consecutive games would a player have to play well in order for you to at least be wrong that there's "nothing positive" in him and that he's not G-Leaguer and at least qualified as serviceable? Lets not set the bar very high for this debate, because if he plays like he played today for the rest of the season he would be worth at least triple of his 4 million. How many games like today would he need to play this season ONLY to justify his 4 million dollar contract? 3? 4? 5? His average stats now appear as of someone who makes 4 million on NBA contract fairly. This game alone got his FG% up to an elite level of 45.5%. He's also 2nd best player on the team in steals and 5th in assists.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#138 » by Clay Davis » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:30 am

EH15 wrote:
will wrote:You are not a realgm caliber poster.

Nope. Legit point he has.

McCaw had a good game. His first truly good game he's had with us. If he's going to contribute like this from now on then OP will gladly admit being wrong. But Pat won't play like this because he doesn't have the skills, the IQ, the attention, the intensity, the shooting, the finesse, the disposition, the tools, nor the will to continue this.

Anyone can have one good game. Anyone can have 10 good games. Give me 40 games and then you can get the minutes and the extended leash McCaw gets.

Look, no one is saying this dude is as bad as Hassan Adams. But he's not close to being as good now or in the future as Davis or OG.
He doesn't really have an extended leash. He plays within his game. Defends, occasional drive and kick, and having to heave up 3s at the end of the shot clock since neither of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd options got a good look.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#139 » by BillyGM » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:51 am

Good that we lost Kawhi Leonard and not Patrick McCaw. Yes, sure one guy can put up big numbers but the other guy just straight up brings titles every year. Going for 4 in a row!
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#140 » by will » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:56 pm

YelloC wrote:
will wrote:You are not a realgm caliber poster.

You spelled caliper wrong. :wink:


I completely panaced when I was typing the post.

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