Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[Chuck Diesel]

Dario Saric played four minutes tonight. He’s an imperfect fit but an overall talent upgrade and potential long term Ersan replacement. Value is probably at an all time low. Has proven success alongside Ilyasova, who’s a friend and mentor to him. Think he’d thrive in Milwaukee competing for a championship, even in a smallish role for the remainder of this year. Would also allow Giannis to rest a ton down the stretch. Think we could get him for Brown, Wilson & a 2nd right now. Also be nice to clear a roster spot.

Not sure what to think here. Elite basketball mind idea, but for whatever reason Saric seems to get worse each year. I’m not sure he could defend in Bud’s system. Always thought he’d be really good, but I’ve sort of given up on him.

I think you look at him as a guy with talent in an extreme buy low situation. He definitely seems to get in his head & goes through shooting draughts, but he’s also had some relatively high highs at a young age (check his 2018 playoff numbers.) Seems like a dude who’s very situationally sensitive but when he’s bought in he really busts his ass. I’d trust the Bucks staff with him in a way I wouldn’t most in the league. People will want to make the comparison to Niko but they’re different players. Saric is a much better facilitator & a little tougher. Not nearly the instant long bomb gunner. Also insurance in case someone goes down.

[Plossum]

Listened to the Windy/Friedel pod. Didn’t think anything criminal in there. Basically they said they could t see the Bucks beating either team in LA in a finals series. Obv this forum would disagree but I can see why a lot of people would be of that mindset. Trying to take down a Lebron or Kawhi led team in the finals would be tough.

Summary seemed we’re built for reg season but our supplementary support to Giannis can’t kick it up enough to warrant them taking us over the two LA teams.

[emunney]

Dario Saric played four minutes tonight. He’s an imperfect fit but an overall talent upgrade and potential long term Ersan replacement. Value is probably at an all time low. Has proven success alongside Ilyasova, who’s a friend and mentor to him. Think he’d thrive in Milwaukee competing for a championship, even in a smallish role for the remainder of this year. Would also allow Giannis to rest a ton down the stretch. Think we could get him for Brown, Wilson & a 2nd right now. Also be nice to clear a roster spot.

Not sure what to think here. Elite basketball mind idea, but for whatever reason Saric seems to get worse each year. I’m not sure he could defend in Bud’s system. Always thought he’d be really good, but I’ve sort of given up on him.

I think you look at him as a guy with talent in an extreme buy low situation. He definitely seems to get in his head & goes through shooting draughts, but he’s also had some relatively high highs at a young age (check his 2017 playoff numbers.) Seems like a dude who’s very situationally sensitive but when he’s bought in he really busts his ass. I’d trust the Bucks staff with him in a way I wouldn’t most in the league. People will want to make the comparison to Niko but they’re different players. Saric is a much better facilitator & a little tougher. Not nearly the instant long bomb gunner. Also insurance in case someone goes down.

I like this idea and agree he'd be a good fit with Bud -- at the same time he's probably not finding a ton more minutes than DJ's been getting and is a FA at the end of the year, so I'm a little wary. But it fits my criteria of trading DJ and Sterling for somebody better than either one of them. Sign Joe Johnson to fulfill the prophecy?

[ShootingtheJ]

Are you familiar with how BPM is calulated? Specifically DBPM? It's heavily reliant on box score defensive statistics, and thus isn't ACTUALLY a good measurement for that side of the ball. He's on the plus side of things as it pertains to RPM this year, has historically been slightly on the negative in RAPM, and his team has never improved to the degree that it should if he was "so bad at defense" with him off the floor.

I wouldn't call Kennard good on the defensive end, but to paint him is a complete liability as you are is a off the mark imo.

I'd go with completely unplayable defensively. Buds would never let him on the floor.

Which is comical given you're like 5 days removed from suggesting a trade that replaces an all NBA defender in Bledsoe with Evan Fournier.

That deal also brought in Bamba, a defensive dynamo. Also, Founier defends better than Kennard. Hill and Donte are excellent defensive PGs.

[Pachinko_]

Listened to the Windy/Friedel pod. Didn’t think anything criminal in there. Basically they said they could t see the Bucks beating either team in LA in a finals series. Obv this forum would disagree but I can see why a lot of people would be of that mindset. Trying to take down a Lebron or Kawhi led team in the finals would be tough.

Summary seemed we’re built for reg season but our supplementary support to Giannis can’t kick it up enough to warrant them taking us over the two LA teams.

Whatever they really think that was just wise journo survival tactics, why would you want to alienate big market crowds and Lebron stans? Just play along, crown Lebron/AD early on and when the **** hits the fan just act surprised like everybody else.

PG & Kawhi have a lot to work with on the Clippers, that was a good team before they even got there, they made healthy Warriors earn it in the 1st round. Lakers outside of Lebron/AD were crap last year and are still crap this year. And AD is still fragile, and Lebron is still old. Whatever they've built so far is held together with duct tape and chewing gum.

[Baddy Chuck]

1 on 1 defense is overrated and could be hidden rather easily in our system.

[Plossum]

Listened to the Windy/Friedel pod. Didn’t think anything criminal in there. Basically they said they could t see the Bucks beating either team in LA in a finals series. Obv this forum would disagree but I can see why a lot of people would be of that mindset. Trying to take down a Lebron or Kawhi led team in the finals would be tough.

Summary seemed we’re built for reg season but our supplementary support to Giannis can’t kick it up enough to warrant them taking us over the two LA teams.

Whatever they really think that was just wise journo survival tactics, why would you want to alienate big market crowds and Lebron stans? Just play along, crown Lebron/AD early on and when the **** hits the fan just act surprised like everybody else.

PG & Kawhi have a lot to work with on the Clippers, that was a good team before they even got there, they made healthy Warriors earn it in the 1st round. Lakers outside of Lebron/AD were crap last year and are still crap this year. And AD is still fragile, and Lebron is still old. Whatever they've built so far is held together with duct tape and chewing gum.

And yet it’s hard to bet against Lebron in the Playoffs. I don’t think it’s disrespectful to pick either LA team over us. It was a bit rough though to say we’re not contenders as we obviously are.

[Pachinko_]

And yet it’s hard to bet against Lebron in the Playoffs.

I'm not betting against him, I'm sure he'll be great.
I'm betting against his team though.

[blazza18]

Windy and Friedell doubled down on their own takes and didn’t off any counter as to why they could be wrong. Was an awful segment.

[LuessiT]

If it only takes DJ and Sterling I'm down for Saric.

[ShootingtheJ]

Saric has lost it physically. I'd rather keep Wilson. Illyosova is better than Saric in every way.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Best fits and attainable guys at the deadline:

Bogdan Bogdanović
Marcus Morris
Davis Bertans

[Pachinko_]

Saric has lost it physically. I'd rather keep Wilson. Illyosova is better than Saric in every way.

Saric is the closest thing to try and replace The Great Turk. Although first he'd have to spend a couple of decades with the gypsies in the forests of Tajikistan to acquire the fundamental skills: learn how to stop the time, kill bears naked, talk to the birds, that sort of thing.

[LuessiT]

Saric has lost it physically. I'd rather keep Wilson. Illyosova is better than Saric in every way.

Saric is the better passer and better at creating space inside via head- and pumpfakes. He's worse on both ends of the floor right now but he's another playmaker in offense.

[raferfenix]

I like Saric as a creative and potentially buy-extremely-low trade target.

Phoenix is a dumpster fire franchise with a history of getting fleased so I like the idea of exploring deals with them in general.

That said, all else equal, I think help at the 2 spot is a more pressing need than at the 4. If only because Giannis.

Wes is our weakest starter, and if Bledsoe gets in his head in the playoffs, Hill and Donte will both end up playing a lot at PG.

The extent to which Korver and Brown can cut it could end up mattering a lot for us when an injury inevitably strikes as well.

Ersan and DJ both have another year locked in on their contracts to boot, whereas those guys -- and Wes -- are free agents this offseason. We'd also have to resign Saric and risk repeating the Mirotic scenario.

And yet to the "all else equal" caveat: it's totally possible we couldn't get a similar contributor for the likes of Sterling + DJ + a 2nd.

But even then we have to wonder whether the Pacers first could yield a better overall talent and fit to make it worth consolidating assets.

[midranger]

If Lebron **** on a plate windhorst would gladly eat it. Not much else to see there.


Saric would be an ideal DJ move. Hard to judge him too harshly for the **** show franchises he’s played for the past two years. Wouldn’t give up a pick for a rental again, but if they valued Wilson and Brown for some reason, why not?

[raferfenix]

Suns might even be looking to make win now moves.

Also, the Suns (13-20) are believed to be seriously focused on making a playoff run, just one game behind the eighth-place San Antonio Spurs (13-18). Moving Baynes at the deadline would be more of a possibility if they fell out of the race before February.

Instead, Phoenix is looking to add to its roster. Kevin Love could be a possibility, but the team is believed to have more interest in Oklahoma City Thunder forward Danilo Gallinari.

The Thunder (18-15) are open-minded heading into 2020. They have a winning record and an opportunity to make the playoffs despite trading away two All-Stars in Russell Westbrook and Paul George. They could be a buyer, or they could be a seller.

If it's the latter, they may be able to turn Gallinari around for a first-rounder from the Suns, along with Tyler Johnson. The Suns could also have interest in point guard Dennis Schroder, but that would probably require Dario Saric, Baynes and a minimum-salary player (like Cheick Diallo) for salary-matching purposes.

The benefit of going after Love is the certainty of his contract. The negative is the price: $91.5 million over the next three seasons.

"Not many teams will have cap space next summer. The Suns probably would be able to re-sign Gallinari at a much better price," one Western Conference executive said. "There's uncertainty, especially if they give up a first-rounder, but the difference in price would make Gallinari the better target."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869254-2020-nba-trade-buzz-where-will-iguodala-gallinari-other-big-names-land

[SupremeHustle]

Are you familiar with how BPM is calulated? Specifically DBPM? It's heavily reliant on box score defensive statistics, and thus isn't ACTUALLY a good measurement for that side of the ball. He's on the plus side of things as it pertains to RPM this year, has historically been slightly on the negative in RAPM, and his team has never improved to the degree that it should if he was "so bad at defense" with him off the floor.

I wouldn't call Kennard good on the defensive end, but to paint him is a complete liability as you are is a off the mark imo.

I'd go with completely unplayable defensively. Buds would never let him on the floor.

Which is comical given you're like 5 days removed from suggesting a trade that replaces an all NBA defender in Bledsoe with Evan Fournier.

Shutup. Nobody really suggested that? You're definitely kidding.

[SupremeHustle]

Dario Saric played four minutes tonight. He’s an imperfect fit but an overall talent upgrade and potential long term Ersan replacement. Value is probably at an all time low. Has proven success alongside Ilyasova, who’s a friend and mentor to him. Think he’d thrive in Milwaukee competing for a championship, even in a smallish role for the remainder of this year. Would also allow Giannis to rest a ton down the stretch. Think we could get him for Brown, Wilson & a 2nd right now. Also be nice to clear a roster spot.

Not sure what to think here. Elite basketball mind idea, but for whatever reason Saric seems to get worse each year. I’m not sure he could defend in Bud’s system. Always thought he’d be really good, but I’ve sort of given up on him.

"Elite basketball mind idea." I love this board and all of the callbacks.

[SupremeHustle]

I'd go with completely unplayable defensively. Buds would never let him on the floor.

Which is comical given you're like 5 days removed from suggesting a trade that replaces an all NBA defender in Bledsoe with Evan Fournier.

That deal also brought in Bamba, a defensive dynamo. Also, Founier defends better than Kennard. Hill and Donte are excellent defensive PGs.

Bledsoe for Fournier and Bamba. That's not a great trade for a team that's trying to win now.