Game 36: Detroit Pistons (12-23) @ Golden State Warriors (9-27) - 8:30 PM ET

[DBC10]

I feel so bad for Drummond. Disrespectful Piston fans treat him like absolute garbage and he is still saying how much he loves DET and wants to stay here in the post game right now. I would have no problem keeping him around for 20-25mil/year.

Heres the thing. I love Andre to death. He is the best rebounder this league has seen since wilt and Russell, period.

He is absolutely not worth over 20 per, plain and simple. We can win a title with Andre, but it HAS to be at a smaller cap hold.

If he agrees, I'm all in.

It is going to be hard to replace his production with anyone, but his shortcomings are notable. 20 million per, and hes set for life anyway, and will be adored by fans for taking a "pay cut".

Then you build, and do it right this time. The rook looks great, and we know what Kennard can do. This team, without question needs a PG. Try and ship Blake, and something to GS for Russell.

Well there is no way he is taking that big of a pay cut. What is happening with Drummond is that since he isn't a go-to scorer he is greatly devalued. If we had a healthy Griffin and another equally great perimeter player with Drummond as the 3rd guy doing all the dirty work at 20mil per year I think that set up is definitely capable of winning a championship. For example, put Drummond with Doncic and KP and that is a championship trio who just needs to fine tune the rest of the roster. Drummond at 35mil is a dealbreaker. Drummond at 20-15mil is a steal.

He’s getting devalued because all he really is, is an elite garbage man. Being elite in that area while being a center is actually tricky to build a team around because he needs specific players that are good at multiple things to support his deficiencies at many positions around him as we’ve seen in the last 7 or so years. What’s funny is there’s going to be desperate teams that see his young age and certain stats he produces and will gladly pay up for his services

He was just born in an era where perimeter play is greatly valued while having the skills that worked in the 80s.

[Kilo]

I suspect these trade leaks are part of the extension negotiation - numbers were exchanged and Dre is living in a dream world so Pistons be like - See ya. He's a $20M player tops in the new NBA. If he wants to hit UFA, it's his right - but we can't risk it either when we can get something for him now. We'd be under the cap enough to make him a FA offer if we wanted to depending on where his market was.

[Laimbeer]

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[MotownMadness]

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If I read basketball reference correctly he had
17 Points 8 Rebounds 1st start
4 Points 14 Rebounds 2nd start

[whitehops]

obviously it's exciting that doumbouya is finally playing and that he's shown well so far but people should not jump the gun on him. he scored four threes when he had been 0/7 before and the warriors barely bothered to contest his shots. his other two buckets were on open cuts to the rim. and it was also against the warriors, who is rolling out d-league lineups.

i'm all for the pistons giving him big minutes the rest of the season as long as they keep him in a limited role offensively and let him get used to the nba pace/game. he can work on his individual skills in the off season so he's not thrown to the wolves by trying to create anything or run the offense this season. he's still got a long ways to go but i'm glad they've (hopefully) given him his chance.

[DetroitPistons]

I feel so bad for Drummond. Disrespectful Piston fans treat him like absolute garbage and he is still saying how much he loves DET and wants to stay here in the post game right now. I would have no problem keeping him around for 20-25mil/year.

Strictly business.

I agree. We just disagree on whether resigning him for 20-25mil is a good or bad business decision.

I love Blake but I'm ready to dump him for pure expirings if possible. Trust me, feelings are the lowest priority on my list when considering a trade. I just also feel bad for the guy. He gets way too much undue hate imo.

[Billl]

I think it's pretty clear that coach gave sekou a job. Defend, rebound, fill a lane, and take the jumper if you are wide open. And then he's gone out and done that. That's what you want to see in a young prospect. It's also how you earn consistent minutes.

[Invictus88]

I feel so bad for Drummond. Disrespectful Piston fans treat him like absolute garbage and he is still saying how much he loves DET and wants to stay here in the post game right now. I would have no problem keeping him around for 20-25mil/year.

Strictly business.

I agree. We just disagree on whether resigning him for 20-25mil is a good or bad business decision.

I love Blake but I'm ready to dump him for pure expirings if possible. Trust me, feelings are the lowest priority on my list when considering a trade. I just also feel bad for the guy. He gets way too much undue hate imo.

It's just really hard for me not to see all of the cringeworthy moments on the court where I think to myself "Dre, you shouldn't be doing that". Inevitably a turnover or bad foul usually follows.

I used to at least be able to point to his rebounding and see (in the SVG era at least) that he was helping to make the team one of the bet in the league there. I could say "Ok. For all of his warts I still see him as even or a net positive'.

But in the last few years under Casey rebounding has turned into a weakness. An that with him still pulling down the same 17 and scoring 15-20. Now it's time to think about whether to re-up and I can't help question whether it's worth it. It's been 8 years. "How much do I really value this guy versus what we can collectively compensate for without him?" Is that 20 million better spent elsewhere?

[vege]

Is that 20 million better spent elsewhere?

Without Reggie Jackson, Josh Smith, Langston Galloway and Jon Leuer (well the FO **** up with one extra year of Snell) dead money 25 million for Drummond is good money.

Blake has to be the first to go if we're rebuinding, he is an amazing player and last season was fun because of him, but I don't want us to depend on his health and Sekou should be our PF from now ownards.

Drummond/Doumbouya/Kennard should be our core, everybody else should be expendable.

[Snakebites]

I feel so bad for Drummond. Disrespectful Piston fans treat him like absolute garbage and he is still saying how much he loves DET and wants to stay here in the post game right now. I would have no problem keeping him around for 20-25mil/year.

Strictly business.

I agree. We just disagree on whether resigning him for 20-25mil is a good or bad business decision.

I love Blake but I'm ready to dump him for pure expirings if possible. Trust me, feelings are the lowest priority on my list when considering a trade. I just also feel bad for the guy. He gets way too much undue hate imo.

Okay, if we agree that it’s strictly business than we can drop the emotional “poor Dre, he wants to be here and folks treat him like garbage” bit.

And of course we’d love to drop Blake for pure expirings. It’s not happening.

[DetroitPistons]

Okay, if we agree that it’s strictly business than we can drop the emotional “poor Dre, he wants to be here and folks treat him like garbage” bit.

And of course we’d love to drop Blake for pure expirings. It’s not happening.

What?

Um okay... I didn't know it was forbidden to feel bad for a player on this forum. You're trying to conflate me making a statement about me feeling bad for him with me saying that is why we should keep him. I'm not and I already stated that.

[Snakebites]

Okay, if we agree that it’s strictly business than we can drop the emotional “poor Dre, he wants to be here and folks treat him like garbage” bit.

And of course we’d love to drop Blake for pure expirings. It’s not happening.

What?

Um okay... I didn't know it was forbidden to feel bad for a player on this forum. You're trying to conflate me making a statement about me feeling bad for him with me saying that is why we should keep him. I'm not and I already stated that.

The way you framed your original post conflated the two.
I hate quoting people back to themselves, but you implied it “disrespectful” to want him gone. If it’s strictly business, that doesn’t come into play. You also, with no paragraph break or transition, said you’d love to keep him and stated an amount. That implies connectedness of ideas.

You’ve now made it clear that wasn’t your intention, so thank you.

[DBC10]

Is that 20 million better spent elsewhere?

Without Reggie Jackson, Josh Smith, Langston Galloway and Jon Leuer (well the FO **** up with one extra year of Snell) dead money 25 million for Drummond is good money.

Blake has to be the first to go if we're rebuinding, he is an amazing player and last season was fun because of him, but I don't want us to depend on his health and Sekou should be our PF from now ownards.

Drummond/Doumbouya/Kennard should be our core, everybody else should be expendable.

Or just use that money on absorbing salaries/expirings for pick(s) in the future and start an actual rebuild. And into the new world where we turn a new chapter into the Piston's franchise.

It's hard to see how it's a true "rebuild" when one of the last vestige of the mediocre 10 years is still here. Inadvertently, to your credit, it wouldn't surprise me if this FO tried this and try to have cake and eat it too.

[DetroitPistons]

Okay, if we agree that it’s strictly business than we can drop the emotional “poor Dre, he wants to be here and folks treat him like garbage” bit.

And of course we’d love to drop Blake for pure expirings. It’s not happening.

What?

Um okay... I didn't know it was forbidden to feel bad for a player on this forum. You're trying to conflate me making a statement about me feeling bad for him with me saying that is why we should keep him. I'm not and I already stated that.

The way you framed your original post conflated the two.
I hate quoting people back to themselves, but you implied it “disrespectful” to want him gone. If it’s strictly business, that doesn’t come into play. You also, with no paragraph break or transition, said you’d love to keep him and stated an amount. That implies connectedness of ideas.

You’ve now made it clear that wasn’t your intention, so thank you.

You're welcome but I have to also say, I never implied wanting him gone is disrespectful. I fully understand wanting to trade him. Heck I'm fully on board with trading him for the right package. What I mean by disrespectful are those fans that trash Drummond even after he puts up 20/20 or something. I never hear anything positive about Drummond on this board, except from a few who appreciate what he brings to the game.

[Invictus88]

What?

Um okay... I didn't know it was forbidden to feel bad for a player on this forum. You're trying to conflate me making a statement about me feeling bad for him with me saying that is why we should keep him. I'm not and I already stated that.

The way you framed your original post conflated the two.
I hate quoting people back to themselves, but you implied it “disrespectful” to want him gone. If it’s strictly business, that doesn’t come into play. You also, with no paragraph break or transition, said you’d love to keep him and stated an amount. That implies connectedness of ideas.

You’ve now made it clear that wasn’t your intention, so thank you.

You're welcome but I have to also say, I never implied wanting him gone is disrespectful. I fully understand wanting to trade him. Heck I'm fully on board with trading him for the right package. What I mean by disrespectful are those fans that trash Drummond even after he puts up 20/20 or something. I never hear anything positive about Drummond on this board, except from a few who appreciate what he brings to the game.

I just don't think it's a realistic expectation for the norm to be praising Drummond in one breath and then stating you would favor a trade in the next. (Or vice versa).

The pattern is usually to make an asserion or statement of belief and then follow with reasoning supporting it. (Ir again, vice versa).

There just haven't been very many people taking a strong position of wanting him to be resigned.

As far as the disrespect thing, if people believe that his 20/20 was largely at the expense of points and rebounds that would have manifested themselves elsewhere on the scoresheet then I really don't see a problem with questioning his value to us.

[Manocad]

It's hard to see how it's a true "rebuild" when one of the last vestige of the mediocre 10 years is still here.

Ding ding ding
My feelings exactly.