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Post#1661 » by RRyder823 » Wed Jan 8, 2020 8:16 am

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wapith wrote:Did anything of substance happen in the entire new trilogy?
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Some chick boned the Emperor looking like this. Image
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Ive seen people complain that it doesnt makes sense how any girl would hit that maybe I'm the only one that doesnt understand that complaint.

Do people think the most powerful dark lord of the Sith that the universe has ever known and evil incarnate is somehow above going bare back on a hooker or that he cares about consent? Or hell that looks even matter for the most powerful man in the galaxy to get laid?

Or are those possibilities just being overlooked because its Disney?


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Post#1662 » by midranger » Wed Jan 8, 2020 12:59 pm

Not to get too dorky about it, but the math works that he could have knocked up some chick during his swinging chancellor (Pre face sink) days. His baby would have been about as old as Luke/Leia meaning his grandchild would have been about the same age of Kylo Ren.


But yes, nothing of substance happened in the final trilogy. The second movie was a complete bust and didn’t develop the story that Abrams wanted to tell. Should have been more development of the conflict in each of Ren and Rey between the sides of the force to leave you wondering what side each was really on. But... you know... space Vegas.

In the end, Abrams wanted to tell a story that was a more expensive, less fun Total reboot of the original trilogy which Was never going to be too interesting to me. Maybe Johnson was just trying to stop it, and change course at the 11th hour. But whatever.
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Post#1663 » by crkone » Wed Jan 8, 2020 1:35 pm

midranger wrote:Not to get too dorky about it, but the math works that he could have knocked up some chick during his swinging chancellor (Pre face sink) days. His baby would have been about as old as Luke/Leia meaning his grandchild would have been about the same age of Kylo Ren.


But yes, nothing of substance happened in the final trilogy. The second movie was a complete bust and didn’t develop the story that Abrams wanted to tell. Should have been more development of the conflict in each of Ren and Rey between the sides of the force to leave you wondering what side each was really on. But... you know... space Vegas.

In the end, Abrams wanted to tell a story that was a more expensive, less fun Total reboot of the original trilogy which Was never going to be too interesting to me. Maybe Johnson was just trying to stop it, and change course at the 11th hour. But whatever.


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The execution of Order 66 occured in 3258 LY and Rey was born on 3292 LY, leaving 34 years between that time so it's possible but it would had to have happened immediately before his face got melted. Ben was born 3282 LY. They should have picked an older actor to play Ren's dad since he's like a young looking 30.

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Post#1664 » by midranger » Wed Jan 8, 2020 1:50 pm

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midranger wrote:Not to get too dorky about it, but the math works that he could have knocked up some chick during his swinging chancellor (Pre face sink) days. His baby would have been about as old as Luke/Leia meaning his grandchild would have been about the same age of Kylo Ren.


But yes, nothing of substance happened in the final trilogy. The second movie was a complete bust and didn’t develop the story that Abrams wanted to tell. Should have been more development of the conflict in each of Ren and Rey between the sides of the force to leave you wondering what side each was really on. But... you know... space Vegas.

In the end, Abrams wanted to tell a story that was a more expensive, less fun Total reboot of the original trilogy which Was never going to be too interesting to me. Maybe Johnson was just trying to stop it, and change course at the 11th hour. But whatever.


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The execution of Order 66 occured in 3258 LY and Rey was born on 3292 LY, leaving 34 years between that time so it's possible but it would had to have happened immediately before his face got melted. Ben was born 3282 LY. They should have picked an older actor to play Ren's dad since he's like a young looking 30.

I was trying not to get too dorky about it :P
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Re: OT: TV and Movies (with spoilers) 

Post#1665 » by crkone » Wed Jan 8, 2020 1:53 pm

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crkone wrote:
midranger wrote:Not to get too dorky about it, but the math works that he could have knocked up some chick during his swinging chancellor (Pre face sink) days. His baby would have been about as old as Luke/Leia meaning his grandchild would have been about the same age of Kylo Ren.


But yes, nothing of substance happened in the final trilogy. The second movie was a complete bust and didn’t develop the story that Abrams wanted to tell. Should have been more development of the conflict in each of Ren and Rey between the sides of the force to leave you wondering what side each was really on. But... you know... space Vegas.

In the end, Abrams wanted to tell a story that was a more expensive, less fun Total reboot of the original trilogy which Was never going to be too interesting to me. Maybe Johnson was just trying to stop it, and change course at the 11th hour. But whatever.


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The execution of Order 66 occured in 3258 LY and Rey was born on 3292 LY, leaving 34 years between that time so it's possible but it would had to have happened immediately before his face got melted. Ben was born 3282 LY. They should have picked an older actor to play Ren's dad since he's like a young looking 30.

I was trying not to get too dorky about it :P


God damn I want it to be canon that he was sitting in the cantina picking up chicks with Vader next to him.

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Post#1666 » by buckboy » Wed Jan 8, 2020 5:54 pm

Just watched the first 2 episodes of Schitt's Creek. I haven't laughed yet. Will I ?
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Post#1667 » by crkone » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:00 pm

buckboy wrote:Just watched the first 2 episodes of Schitt's Creek. I haven't laughed yet. Will I ?


Same. I watched the first two episodes and didn't understand the hype.

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Post#1668 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:05 pm

It's not a pantheon comedy for me or anything but I still really love it.
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Post#1669 » by buckboy » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:10 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:It's not a pantheon comedy for me or anything but I still really love it.


Does it get better, or is this kinda it? I don't think it's terrible or anything, I just maybe don't get it.
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Post#1670 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:16 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:It's not a pantheon comedy for me or anything but I still really love it.


Does it get better, or is this kinda it? I don't think it's terrible or anything, I just maybe don't get it.


TBH I didn't pick up the show until season 2 so I'm not sure how different it was at the start.
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Post#1671 » by tydett » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:18 pm

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buckboy wrote:Just watched the first 2 episodes of Schitt's Creek. I haven't laughed yet. Will I ?


Same. I watched the first two episodes and didn't understand the hype.


My wife has watched it through twice and I've caught bits and pieces. I've never really thought it was worth my time. But the daughter is hot.
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Post#1672 » by HaroldinGMinor » Wed Jan 8, 2020 7:47 pm

Season Three of Ozark drops March 27th.
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Post#1673 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 8, 2020 7:49 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:Season Three of Ozark drops March 27th.

Long time coming but hopefully worth it
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Post#1674 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jan 8, 2020 7:53 pm

I'd forgotten that I liked the show but never watched season two. Got some catching up to do.
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Post#1675 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 8, 2020 9:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I'd forgotten that I liked the show but never watched season two. Got some catching up to do.

Season 2 dropped in August 2018, I need to rewatch season 2. But I always say I'm going to rewatch the last season of a show before the new season starts and I never do.
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Post#1676 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Jan 9, 2020 3:25 am

buckboy wrote:Just watched the first 2 episodes of Schitt's Creek. I haven't laughed yet. Will I ?


I think even really good comedies take a season and a half to really find the characterization and pace. Parks and Rec for example and Seinfeld are both almost unrecognizable between seasons 1 and 3. But I also think you should see glimpses of greatness in the first few episodes, and Im in your boat. I heard real good things (Schitts Creek), sat through 3-4 episodes, and just didn’t find a single joke or character or scene original.
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Post#1677 » by humanrefutation » Thu Jan 9, 2020 4:08 am

I've got to catch up on the new season of BoJack Horseman. After that, I'm not sure where to go next. Perhaps I'll see what the Succession hype is all about?
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Post#1678 » by Bucksfan28 » Thu Jan 9, 2020 2:29 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:
buckboy wrote:Just watched the first 2 episodes of Schitt's Creek. I haven't laughed yet. Will I ?


I think even really good comedies take a season and a half to really find the characterization and pace. Parks and Rec for example and Seinfeld are both almost unrecognizable between seasons 1 and 3. But I also think you should see glimpses of greatness in the first few episodes, and Im in your boat. I heard real good things (Schitts Creek), sat through 3-4 episodes, and just didn’t find a single joke or character or scene original.


Seems like the show is a big hit or big miss w/ people b/c I'm in the same boat. A lot of the humor wasn't landing. But ik several people who love it.

Also, I'd say PnR found it's rhythm by S2. S1 is so different though that it's almost like a completely new show.
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Post#1679 » by Bucksfan28 » Thu Jan 9, 2020 8:36 pm

Joker is pretty incredible. If they sweep the big Oscars categories, I could appreciate that. Although it's all conditioned on me seeing 1917 and the Lighthouse, two movies I'm super amped for.

A couple things. For one, The King has a noticeably better score imo and I hope that's recognized. Second, about two plot points, one major and one not-so-much:

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They committed to these and it failed to fully resonate with me: (1) Arthur potentially being Thomas Wayne's son, and (2) Bruce's parents being killed during a Joker-inspired riot. These weren't executed poorly on-screen or anything, but it narrows the scope for both characters imo. The Joker is driven by the abandonment of his billionaire father(?), and he's also now directly traceable as a root of Bruce's trauma.

This is just one iteration though so I'll take it in-stride and appreciate the art. On the flip side, I love how they touched on the Joker as a symbol for the underclass, much like Batman strives to be for the good people in Gotham.
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Post#1680 » by FrieAaron » Thu Jan 9, 2020 8:42 pm

Any time the film tries to remind us that it's all part of the larger Batman universe feels hamfisted and off to me. And making him so pathetic, it's hard to imagine this dude ever being the supervillain that we think of as the Joker. Also,
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the moment we learn That his relationship with Sophie was all imaginary is awful. It should be immediately clear to anyone paying attention what was going on with just her single line of dialogue. Instead we have to have our hands held and shown multiple flashbacks to make sure we all get it.


Good performance and score, though.

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