Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Andrew McCeltic]

I am not sure how drastic Danny would want to go if he wants to make this a real contender.

Do you want to make a tweak or two and a minor move?

Or was the AD fascination really a big man star fascination and he is saving it for someone like KAT soon?

Only guy I think is safe long term is Kemba.

Kemba should be only safe player. Everyone else should be on the table including Tatum.

Get a room! And keep the noise down

[Andrew McCeltic]

We’ve “monitored” Gallinari?

[K For Three]

We’ve “monitored” Gallinari?

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/09/nba-boston-celtics-danilo-gallinari-trade-target/

The Boston Celtics have eyes for Oklahoma City Thunder forward Danilo Gallinari, reports Bleacher Report’s Eric Pincus.

The 31-year-old big man joins a growing list of players Boston has reportedly been keeping tabs on, including the Detroit Pistons’ center Andre Drummond and Washington Wizards’ forward Davis Bertans.

The asking price of any deal for the Italian swingman would require dealing Gordon Hayward or Marcus Smart, as he is earning $22.6 million this season and would therefore require at least $17.6 million in salary to keep such a deal CBA-legal.

[GoCeltics123]

We’ve “monitored” Gallinari?

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/09/nba-boston-celtics-danilo-gallinari-trade-target/

The Boston Celtics have eyes for Oklahoma City Thunder forward Danilo Gallinari, reports Bleacher Report’s Eric Pincus.

The 31-year-old big man joins a growing list of players Boston has reportedly been keeping tabs on, including the Detroit Pistons’ center Andre Drummond and Washington Wizards’ forward Davis Bertans.

The asking price of any deal for the Italian swingman would require dealing Gordon Hayward or Marcus Smart, as he is earning $22.6 million this season and would therefore require at least $17.6 million in salary to keep such a deal CBA-legal.

Only way this happens is if we're trading Hayward, and Gallo is just as injury-prone as Hayward, soooooooo

[K For Three]

We’ve “monitored” Gallinari?

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/09/nba-boston-celtics-danilo-gallinari-trade-target/

The Boston Celtics have eyes for Oklahoma City Thunder forward Danilo Gallinari, reports Bleacher Report’s Eric Pincus.

The 31-year-old big man joins a growing list of players Boston has reportedly been keeping tabs on, including the Detroit Pistons’ center Andre Drummond and Washington Wizards’ forward Davis Bertans.

The asking price of any deal for the Italian swingman would require dealing Gordon Hayward or Marcus Smart, as he is earning $22.6 million this season and would therefore require at least $17.6 million in salary to keep such a deal CBA-legal.

Only way this happens is if we're trading Hayward, and Gallo is just as injury-prone as Hayward, soooooooo

No idea.

But you kinda get the sense if there is going to be an in season move, this is a season to do it.

[djFan71]

Didn't Semi start at least one playoff game that we won?
Theis is a pretty decent starting center who Danny got as a rookie.
But you're right that there was a run of 8 or so non-lottery first round picks that produced Rozier and little else.

Theis was a great find, I gave the German scouting team credit in my next post.
You can count Semi as a very mild success, a second rounder that's stuck around this long. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far.

I think Ainge/staff is great at identifying top end talent. In trades and lottery picks he's nailed it. Gets shakier outside of that. Overall, a success, but there's definitely some merit to scrutinizing his late picks. You really just have to nail it all these days - and still get lucky, or be in LA - to have much of a chance to win a title anymore.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah I saw, I was just expressing surprise/skepticism- the rumors are that we don't deal any "core players" (incl. Hayward and Smart?), that we're interested in Drummond, and that we're monitoring Gallinari..

FWIW:

Hayward to Indiana
Myles Turner, TJ Warren to Detroit
Andre Drummond, Poirier, Kanter-or-Theis to OKC
Adams, Gallo to Boston

The Indiana-Detroit piece has been floated already by Bleacher Report - and ddb suggested it; OKC would be sending out 72 million in 19-20/20-21 salary (prorated) and taking back 70 million, except Kanter has an opt-out and Drummond has an opt-out he's almost definitely using - they could try to keep him or let him walk, and either way it's arguably a win for them.

We give up the most well-rounded and probably best player in the deal, but Adams is ... good. Trying to think of where I'd rank him among centers - he's a great and selfless rebounder, tremendous screen-setter, smart player on both sides of the ball, strong, and you'd want a little more foot speed, but OKC had an elite defense last year with him at the 5 until Jerami Grant got hurt - as long as we have a fast, athletic player at the 4 who can rotate when Adams is a beat slow, he's a great fit on that end. Decent post scorer, can probably be coaxed into developing a three-point shot and can hit some of those mid-range jumpers Baynes did. He's probably.. tier 2? tier 3? Embiid is the only great two-way center at this point, he's in a class of his own; there are flashier bigs, obviously Jokic, Vucevic are more gifted offensively, and Towns, and Capela, Favors, Gobert are defensively elite- Ayton, Sabonis, Towns and Drummond could all be top three centers at some point in their career with more refinement.. but Adams is good the way Horford is, the way Smart and Grant Williams are, he does a lot of little things, don't show up in the box score things, his execution is elite-ish (is that a thing?).

And Gallo is an ok replacement, and, like Drummond for OKC, someone we could try to flip for different value if we wanted to. I don't love it, I'd probably rather just get Turner (spacing, great defense, but a bad rebounder, inconsistent scorer, a little bit slow laterally) and Warren (great scorer, tunnel vision, not much of a defender), or Drummond. Adams isn't as "sexy" as Drummond, he doesn't have the same upside, but Drummond's flaws (execution, awareness, focus, consistency, intensity) are his strengths..

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm just higher and higher on Drummond the more I look at him.. it's a good sign when a player adds to his game every summer, and whatever the on-court "focus" issues (usage/coaching? lack of understanding where he should be? something else?), no one thinks he's a bad dude or someone who doesn't care.

Also, if we're trying to get an Embiid stopper, I don't know if there is one. Looking at his box scores, Embiid has only had really bad games against Toronto, which means Marc Gasol is the only person to trade for. Embiid is near impossible to stop, the Sixers aren't. We could also just make deals to make ourselves a better team generally, with the hope that someone else can knock Philadelphia out. And hope that in a year or two Tatum and Brown (and Rob Williams?) are physically mature enough that the Sixers aren't unstoppable. And/or that we find a scheme to stop them. Or that they trade Simmons or Embiid..

Steven Adams would be an "enforcer", who might neutralize some of the Sixers' size.. even more than Drummond would..

Some tough decisions, idk.. Hayward out, Drummond+ in is my favorite because it makes us younger, deals away surplus talent on the wing for an impact big, and gambles on Drummond looking/playing better in a new environment *and* continuing to get better over the next year or two, before he starts to be an early decline risk like DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard.. and hopefully having added enough to his game to still be valuable if he does decline early.. (and no guarantee that every above the rim center will have a sudden drop-off)

But Adams/Gallo would, on paper, make us a better and more competitive team - Gallo doesn't have Hayward's savvy, but he can shoot and draw fouls - and Adams is someone you can build with for another 4-5 years- great mentor for our frontcourt players, and if it doesn't work out he's off the books after next season..

Also really like the idea of getting Zubac via Phoenix if they trade Baynes to the Clippers.. he's a stealth pick to reach the level of Adams or Nurkic, imo..

[MagicBagley18]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rqujm7b

Any trade where we take on Kevin love for the next 4 years is a joke and would set the team back years

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, stay away from Love.. Even the Blazers, who are stuck 7 games under .500, with their backcourt about to turn 30 and 29, with Lillard on a supermax and Nurkic working back from a big injury, won't swap expirings for Love and won't give up Anfernee Simons, either..

[SmartWentCrazy]

Things to keep in mind regarding Gallo:

Just as the stars aligned for JB to definitely received a max this summer, theyre aligning to keep Gallo’s future salary down. He should be able to be re-signed on a deal slightly more than the MLE. Would def be a guy we could keep long term.

I’d love to add Gallo to be our bench scorer in a role similar to LouWill. Could see OKC being interested in Hayward to pair with Paul as a vet used to grow young pieces.

The only piece missing is what third team would take Roberson and what big we could land in return for Roberson and Kanter and some picks.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Things to keep in mind regarding Gallo:

Just as the stars aligned for JB to definitely received a max this summer, theyre aligning to keep Gallo’s future salary down. He should be able to be re-signed on a deal slightly more than the MLE. Would def be a guy we could keep long term.

I’d love to add Gallo to be our bench scorer in a role similar to LouWill. Could see OKC being interested in Hayward to pair with Paul as a vet used to grow young pieces.

The only piece missing is what third team would take Roberson and what big we could land in return for Roberson and Kanter and some picks.

Three team trade:

Boston sends- Hayward, Kanter, Langford and a first
Boston receives- Gallo and Drummond

OKC sends- Gallo and Roberson
OKC receives- Hayward

Detroit sends- Drummond
Detroit receives- Roberson, Kanter, Langford and a first

[TheMartian]

I'd prefer Adams to Drummond. Celtics lack "effort", and adding Drummond will not help that.

[Higgs Boston]

Gallinari? Hayward is an ironman in comparison.

[Floody100]

I'd prefer Adams to Drummond. Celtics lack "effort", and adding Drummond will not help that.

Well he was playing for Detroit so I can’t really blame him

[Scarletfire81]

Make Minnesota a godfather offer for KAT. Starting with Hayward + Tatum+ Memphis pick. Build around Kemba,Brown, and KAT.

[100proof]

I would he cool with a hayward, poirier and semi for adams and gallinari.

I would prefer gallinari be flipped though, perhaps something like him and boston/bucks pick for gordon and ross.

Kemba/wannamaker
Brown/smart
Tatum/ross
Gordon/theis
Adams/kanter

Shooting/scoring/passing/defense and rebounding in both starting lineup and bench.

[ddb]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rqujm7b

Any trade where we take on Kevin love for the next 4 years is a joke and would set the team back years

yeah I agree. I'm just demonstrating that if we wanted to deal Hayward, there would be 2 dozen scenarios because he makes so much darn money that Ainge could revamp the roster outside of the core

[MagicBagley18]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rqujm7b

Any trade where we take on Kevin love for the next 4 years is a joke and would set the team back years

yeah I agree. I'm just demonstrating that if we wanted to deal Hayward, there would be 2 dozen scenarios because he makes so much darn money that Ainge could revamp the roster outside of the core

Yea for sure

[MagicBagley18]

Things to keep in mind regarding Gallo:

Just as the stars aligned for JB to definitely received a max this summer, theyre aligning to keep Gallo’s future salary down. He should be able to be re-signed on a deal slightly more than the MLE. Would def be a guy we could keep long term.

I’d love to add Gallo to be our bench scorer in a role similar to LouWill. Could see OKC being interested in Hayward to pair with Paul as a vet used to grow young pieces.

The only piece missing is what third team would take Roberson and what big we could land in return for Roberson and Kanter and some picks.

What do you think is going to make gallo’s price go down or what has caused it to?