Around the NBA #3 - Kevin Twitterfingers' RGM Burner Edition

[Rasho Brezec]

are there any real obese nba players anymore ? i can't think of one. i don't think the speed of the game allows it now. you can be out of shape a bit but you can't be oliver miller or sweetney.

Omari Spellman. He's with Golden State so I don't know if he counts as an NBA player.

[Rasho Brezec]

Here’s the logical deal: If a team valued Luka properly, they would have paid almost any price the Hawks or anybody else wanted. But no signs that teams did value him that highly, although many may not have had the assets to get him.

Mavs maybe just got a better deal but would have upped their bid. A lot of teams could not have equaled the Dallas offer but might’ve also wanted Luka.

Luka was not close to a consensus top overall pick which he clearly should’ve been. So Dakomish is treading in some major 20/20 hindsight waters which is a common but silly thing to do.

Team tank was very consistent,

I remember the Tank 4 Doncic memes in many threads until it became an impossibility.

KnicksGod is just doing his revisionist schtick, I've had the same avatar since 2017.

[G_K_F]

Here’s the logical deal: If a team valued Luka properly, they would have paid almost any price the Hawks or anybody else wanted. But no signs that teams did value him that highly, although many may not have had the assets to get him.

Mavs maybe just got a better deal but would have upped their bid. A lot of teams could not have equaled the Dallas offer but might’ve also wanted Luka.

Luka was not close to a consensus top overall pick which he clearly should’ve been. So Dakomish is treading in some major 20/20 hindsight waters which is a common but silly thing to do.

Team tank was very consistent,

I remember the Tank 4 Doncic memes in many threads until it became an impossibility.

Yeah, not sure why history is being changed.

Doncic was highly coveted for like 2 years before he was even eligible for the draft.

[Phish Tank]

are there any real obese nba players anymore ? i can't think of one. i don't think the speed of the game allows it now. you can be out of shape a bit but you can't be oliver miller or sweetney.

Jokic is close, but that's about it.

[cgmw]

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that don't sound like more deals are coming

Famous last words before Dame/CJ/Whiteside become Knicks?

[Rasho Brezec]

are there any real obese nba players anymore ? i can't think of one. i don't think the speed of the game allows it now. you can be out of shape a bit but you can't be oliver miller or sweetney.

Jokic is close, but that's about it.

This is the body of an NBA all star.

[Reign23]

Swanigan again?

That was not the big midseason move Blazers fans imagined.

they still have a lot of chips. CJ, Simons, their first and whiteside expiring.

[Worst_to_First]

you know who that is ?

I recall a few people around here wanted the Knicks to draft him.

The Blazers did, in fact, draft him.

Yeah helped lead the Blazers to the Vegas Summer League finals.

[Capn'O]

Paul Allen wouldn't stand for this

[Jay10]

Paul Allen wouldn't stand for this

His top 3 players are iso players, who can't play off the ball.

It's basically the re-enactment of what the Raptors had in Lowry and DeRozan, until Masai got tired of the ball stopping nonsense and sent DeRozan to the Spurs.

[mpharris36]

i would rather have bazemore/tolliver and 2 2nds then portis....things you could do if you didn't spend all your money like idiots.

[K_ick_God]

Here’s the logical deal: If a team valued Luka properly, they would have paid almost any price the Hawks or anybody else wanted. But no signs that teams did value him that highly, although many may not have had the assets to get him.

Mavs maybe just got a better deal but would have upped their bid. A lot of teams could not have equaled the Dallas offer but might’ve also wanted Luka.

Luka was not close to a consensus top overall pick which he clearly should’ve been. So Dakomish is treading in some major 20/20 hindsight waters which is a common but silly thing to do.

Team tank was very consistent,

I remember the Tank 4 Doncic memes in many threads until it became an impossibility.

Yeah, not sure why history is being changed.

Doncic was highly coveted for like 2 years before he was even eligible for the draft.

He wasn’t taken first or even highly considered for it. Which means he was undervalued.

What’s the point of examining this or that yarn of tanking when the whole tapestry has holes and is randomly stitched together?

We didn’t tank properly is a fallacy — if all teams in the hunt tanked properly, then what makes you think we’d win the tank?

Second, Luka was not scouted as a dominant player. He was thought of as a very good prospect and now he’s generational. That’s a big gap.

But, to those who loved him, kudos to you seriously. The teams didn’t scout him that way though ... that’s not revisionist, we have the actual draft lol!

... Ingram just choked.

[G_K_F]

Team tank was very consistent,

I remember the Tank 4 Doncic memes in many threads until it became an impossibility.

Yeah, not sure why history is being changed.

Doncic was highly coveted for like 2 years before he was even eligible for the draft.

He wasn’t taken first or even highly considered for it. Which means he was undervalued.

What’s the point of examining this or that yarn of tanking when the whole tapestry has holes and is randomly stitched together?

We didn’t tank properly is a fallacy — if all teams in the hunt tanked properly, then what makes you think we’d win the tank?

Second, Luka was not scouted as a dominant player. He was thought of as a very good prospect and now he’s generational. That’s a big gap.

But, to those who loved him, kudos to you seriously. The teams didn’t scout him that way though ... that’s not revisionist, we have the actual draft lol!

... Ingram just choked.

I'll refer to Rasho on this revisionist history.

Doncic was considered an elite and franchise-changing talent. Teams passing on him doesn't change that.

[3toheadmelo]

Swanigan again?

That was not the big midseason move Blazers fans imagined.

He would be good in the 90’s. The game now doesn’t really suit him

[Capn'O]

Paul Allen wouldn't stand for this

His top 3 players are iso players, who can't play off the ball.

It's basically the re-enactment of what the Raptors had in Lowry and DeRozan, until Masai got tired of the ball stopping nonsense and sent DeRozan to the Spurs.

Well, first, Paul Allen died in the fall of 2018. But the other point is that he always insisted that the Blazers spend and would never allow the team to take a step back like this. He was another owner that threw money at any problem. I don't really know what to make of this move other than that it is probably in the Blazers' interest to focus more on development this season rather than try to stock up.

To your point - the Blazers' offense had a lot more movement in years past. Most of that isn't Melo's fault but some of it is Melo's fault. The difference between Nurkic and Whiteside is massive. Portland ran a lot of their offense through Nurk. Not to the extent Denver does with Jokic but similar. Whiteside is a finisher only and that highlights the issues with Dame/CJ a lot more.

[K_ick_God]

Yeah, not sure why history is being changed.

Doncic was highly coveted for like 2 years before he was even eligible for the draft.

He wasn’t taken first or even highly considered for it. Which means he was undervalued.

What’s the point of examining this or that yarn of tanking when the whole tapestry has holes and is randomly stitched together?

We didn’t tank properly is a fallacy — if all teams in the hunt tanked properly, then what makes you think we’d win the tank?

Second, Luka was not scouted as a dominant player. He was thought of as a very good prospect and now he’s generational. That’s a big gap.

But, to those who loved him, kudos to you seriously. The teams didn’t scout him that way though ... that’s not revisionist, we have the actual draft lol!

... Ingram just choked.

I'll refer to Rasho on this revisionist history.

Doncic was considered an elite and franchise-changing talent. Teams passing on him doesn't change that.

Ayton is very good but still a big miss to not take Luka. A huge one. He’s LeBron level and wasn’t at all perceived that way. That’s a big difference.

Suns and Kings should’ve taken him. But he also wasn’t even a surefire pick at 3. So what sense does it make to worry about this or that and make like the Knicks were the only team trying to tank or get good players.

We’ve had mismanagement and bad luck but examining one or two things as if the tide turned right there, to me, is kind of weak.

[K_ick_God]

3 teams passed on a chance to take Luka. 10% of the NBA made a public signal of passing. Pretty safe to say he was widely undervalued. Was he a surefire lottery pick and well regarded? Yeah but that’s not the same as considered as good as he obv is.

Blurring the line there is the real revisionism.

[Worst_to_First]

He wasn’t taken first or even highly considered for it. Which means he was undervalued.

What’s the point of examining this or that yarn of tanking when the whole tapestry has holes and is randomly stitched together?

We didn’t tank properly is a fallacy — if all teams in the hunt tanked properly, then what makes you think we’d win the tank?

Second, Luka was not scouted as a dominant player. He was thought of as a very good prospect and now he’s generational. That’s a big gap.

But, to those who loved him, kudos to you seriously. The teams didn’t scout him that way though ... that’s not revisionist, we have the actual draft lol!

... Ingram just choked.

I'll refer to Rasho on this revisionist history.

Doncic was considered an elite and franchise-changing talent. Teams passing on him doesn't change that.

Ayton is very good but still a big miss to not take Luka. A huge one. He’s LeBron level and wasn’t at all perceived that way. That’s a big difference.

Suns and Kings should’ve taken him. But he also wasn’t even a surefire pick at 3. So what sense does it make to worry about this or that and make like the Knicks were the only team trying to tank or get good players.

We’ve had mismanagement and bad luck but examining one or two things as if the tide turned right there, to me, is kind of weak.

I wouldn’t fire a GM for choosing Ayton over Luka. Suns did a poor job surrounding him with a competent and compatible talent last year, similar to what we did with RJ this year.

Kings not choosing Luka is what surprised me.

[3toheadmelo]

I'll refer to Rasho on this revisionist history.

Doncic was considered an elite and franchise-changing talent. Teams passing on him doesn't change that.

Ayton is very good but still a big miss to not take Luka. A huge one. He’s LeBron level and wasn’t at all perceived that way. That’s a big difference.

Suns and Kings should’ve taken him. But he also wasn’t even a surefire pick at 3. So what sense does it make to worry about this or that and make like the Knicks were the only team trying to tank or get good players.

We’ve had mismanagement and bad luck but examining one or two things as if the tide turned right there, to me, is kind of weak.

I wouldn’t fire a GM for choosing Ayton over Luka. Suns did a poor job surrounding him with a competent and compatible talent last year, similar to what we did with RJ this year.

Kings not choosing Luka is what surprised me.

Yeah Ayton goes #1 in most drafts still.

I am surprised to see Bagley struggling tho. I think he’ll still be an all star but a couple of years from now I suppose.

[Capn'O]

Doncic was an obvious first pick to me as well.

Ayton is a nice player though. Defending, which is the key to bigs, plus the rest he can do. 2018 is turning out to be an epic class.