Around the NBA #3 - Kevin Twitterfingers' RGM Burner Edition

[mpharris36]

Doncic was an obvious first pick to me as well.

Ayton is a nice player though. Defending, which is the key to bigs, plus the rest he can do. 2018 is turning out to be an epic class.

clear #1 pick without question

[Capn'O]

Doncic was an obvious first pick to me as well.

Ayton is a nice player though. Defending, which is the key to bigs, plus the rest he can do. 2018 is turning out to be an epic class.

clear #1 pick without question

I practically begged Ill to hold KOC over a barrel for him.

[Marty McFly]

Team tank was very consistent,

I remember the Tank 4 Doncic memes in many threads until it became an impossibility.

Yeah, not sure why history is being changed.

Doncic was highly coveted for like 2 years before he was even eligible for the draft.

He wasn’t taken first or even highly considered for it. Which means he was undervalued.

What’s the point of examining this or that yarn of tanking when the whole tapestry has holes and is randomly stitched together?

We didn’t tank properly is a fallacy — if all teams in the hunt tanked properly, then what makes you think we’d win the tank?

Second, Luka was not scouted as a dominant player. He was thought of as a very good prospect and now he’s generational. That’s a big gap.

But, to those who loved him, kudos to you seriously. The teams didn’t scout him that way though ... that’s not revisionist, we have the actual draft lol!

... Ingram just choked.

Not true. Everyone thought the suns were taking him since they hired his national team coach. The Suns felt like they had the luxury of choosing Ayton having booker, and knowing that Ayton had a **** ton of upside. Vlade made the wrong call for some reason or another. the Hawks lucked on him and decided to get fancy with it.

It would be interesting to see if the knicks could have moved up for Doncic by trading KP. A different more forward thinking front office would have taken that chance.

[3toheadmelo]

Knicks missed out on Luka, Ayton, SGA, JJJ, Trae Young. If we landed one of them we would be in a lot better shape. Kevin Knox blows.

[K_ick_God]

You guys are speculating, doing fancy footwork or using your own input. What we know is that 3 teams passed on him, for whatever reason, which probably says a lot about what the other teams might’ve thought.

Again, there’s a gap between his success and how he was viewed before the draft.

He may have been generational to some of you and to some teams, but factually not the first three teams picking.

[Capn'O]

Knicks missed out on Luka, Ayton, SGA, JJJ, Trae Young. If we landed one of them we would be in a lot better shape. Kevin Knox blows.

[Capn'O]

You guys are speculating, doing fancy footwork or using your own input. What we know is that 3 teams passed on him, for whatever reason, which probably says a lot about what the other teams might’ve thought.

Again, there’s a gap between his success and how he was viewed before the draft.

He may have been generational to some of you and to some teams, but factually not the first three teams picking.

Clearly he wasn't to those teams and those teams are dumb. Divac drafted Fox because he thought he was a fox.

Luka lit up the international stage in ways the busts, and even the successes, that preceded him couldn't have dreamed. He was dominating the European game. It was unprecedented from a player his age.

[Worst_to_First]

Ayton is very good but still a big miss to not take Luka. A huge one. He’s LeBron level and wasn’t at all perceived that way. That’s a big difference.

Suns and Kings should’ve taken him. But he also wasn’t even a surefire pick at 3. So what sense does it make to worry about this or that and make like the Knicks were the only team trying to tank or get good players.

We’ve had mismanagement and bad luck but examining one or two things as if the tide turned right there, to me, is kind of weak.

I wouldn’t fire a GM for choosing Ayton over Luka. Suns did a poor job surrounding him with a competent and compatible talent last year, similar to what we did with RJ this year.

Kings not choosing Luka is what surprised me.

Yeah Ayton goes #1 in most drafts still.

I am surprised to see Bagley struggling tho. I think he’ll still be an all star but a couple of years from now I suppose.

I know you’re high on Bags fam but that lack of wingspan offsets his high motor. That’s why I’m amazed with the Bagley comps some throw at Wiseman. Even if you doubt Wiseman’s offensive skills (a different topic altogether), that 6 to 7 inch difference in wingspan is huge in itself considering both have high motor.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

3 teams passed on a chance to take Luka. 10% of the NBA made a public signal of passing. Pretty safe to say he was widely undervalued. Was he a surefire lottery pick and well regarded? Yeah but that’s not the same as considered as good as he obv is.

Blurring the line there is the real revisionism.

Things tend to revert to their mean.
Just like Mitch. The same concerns that made teams pass on his talent are showing their heads; super early for him but still. Trier showed out and made draft guys look like fools for passing him up. And in a years time, he can’t get in the rotation of one of the worst teams in the league.

So I love me some Luka. But there’s something about him, the “fire” or whatever....I think as time goes on the reasons that made people pass on his generational talent will begin to rise to the surface. Call me a hater, you’re probably right. I just see something in him. I dunno.

We loved KP. Once he boated we found out dude was King of all Evil. Shump was Derrick Rose of defense and Kawhi wasn’t fun. Maybe this version of IceTrae wins nothing with his 30 a night but the past his prime version plays the 15 mpg role of “crafty floor spacer” for twice MVP Stone Perkins. My favorite NBA kid by far.

We won’t know who won these drafts/trades for years. No matter how obvious it looks that McDonough and Divac are clueless.

Remember for like three months Landry Fields was better than Boogie Cousins and Derrick Favors? And Harden had a super sixth man’s ceiling? I even think when it’s said and done Markelle Fultz will end up justifying his overall number one selection too.

[3toheadmelo]

I wouldn’t fire a GM for choosing Ayton over Luka. Suns did a poor job surrounding him with a competent and compatible talent last year, similar to what we did with RJ this year.

Kings not choosing Luka is what surprised me.

Yeah Ayton goes #1 in most drafts still.

I am surprised to see Bagley struggling tho. I think he’ll still be an all star but a couple of years from now I suppose.

I know you’re high on Bags fam but that lack of wingspan offsets his high motor. That’s why I’m amazed with the Bagley comps some throw at Wiseman. Even if you doubt Wiseman’s offensive skills (a different topic altogether), that 6 to 7 inch difference in wingspan is huge in itself considering both have high motor.

It's not only his wingspan. He has no right hand and his defensive awareness is just not that good. He's also still very raw offensively. I think eventually he'll put it together but he does not look like a #2 pick right now at all. Holding an L on him for the time being

[Worst_to_First]

Yeah Ayton goes #1 in most drafts still.

I am surprised to see Bagley struggling tho. I think he’ll still be an all star but a couple of years from now I suppose.

I know you’re high on Bags fam but that lack of wingspan offsets his high motor. That’s why I’m amazed with the Bagley comps some throw at Wiseman. Even if you doubt Wiseman’s offensive skills (a different topic altogether), that 6 to 7 inch difference in wingspan is huge in itself considering both have high motor.

It's not only his wingspan. He has no right hand and his defensive awareness is just not that good. He's also still very raw offensively. I think eventually he'll put it together but he does not look like a #2 pick right now at all. Holding an L on him for the time being

Yeah my JJJ over Bagley stance looking good for now.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Yeah Ayton goes #1 in most drafts still.

I am surprised to see Bagley struggling tho. I think he’ll still be an all star but a couple of years from now I suppose.

I know you’re high on Bags fam but that lack of wingspan offsets his high motor. That’s why I’m amazed with the Bagley comps some throw at Wiseman. Even if you doubt Wiseman’s offensive skills (a different topic altogether), that 6 to 7 inch difference in wingspan is huge in itself considering both have high motor.

It's not only his wingspan. He has no right hand and his defensive awareness is just not that good. He's also still very raw offensively. I think eventually he'll put it together but he does not look like a #2 pick right now at all. Holding an L on him for the time being

JordanHillsaidwhatnow?

[Marty McFly]

luka on playing against melo.

https://streamable.com/hqjcy

[Capn'O]

Shai giving the Blazers the business

Cp3 so surgical to watch.

[dakomish23]

Here’s the logical deal: If a team valued Luka properly, they would have paid almost any price the Hawks or anybody else wanted. But no signs that teams did value him that highly, although many may not have had the assets to get him.

Mavs maybe just got a better deal but would have upped their bid. A lot of teams could not have equaled the Dallas offer but might’ve also wanted Luka.

Luka was not close to a consensus top overall pick which he clearly should’ve been. So Dakomish is treading in some major 20/20 hindsight waters which is a common but silly thing to do.

I’d be more than happy to give you all the receipts

But for starters, my goal going into the season was very clear. Try the link in my signature

[Knox]

Knicks missed out on Luka, Ayton, SGA, JJJ, Trae Young. If we landed one of them we would be in a lot better shape. Kevin Knox blows.

We all know this and we never point it out because knowing this really sucks for the franchise
We are doomed

[Worst_to_First]

LOL Cavs blew a 15 point lead after 3 quarters to lose to the Bulls.

Meanwhile it will be the second time in a week that Warriors will give up a huge lead to get the L.

Tanks of beauty.

[god shammgod]

Shai giving the Blazers the business

Cp3 so surgical to watch.

did they announce how long cj is out ?

[Capn'O]

Shai giving the Blazers the business

Cp3 so surgical to watch.

did they announce how long cj is out ?

He was "ruled out " tonight so prolly not that long?

[Worst_to_First]

LOL Cavs blew a 15 point lead after 3 quarters to lose to the Bulls.

Meanwhile it will be the second time in a week that Warriors will give up a huge lead to get the L.

Tanks of beauty.

Oh well at least I jinxed half of this.